Thanks to Buzzer for the photo 
What make is this? looks like a wartime take with the blacked lights also note the semaphore indicator.
Oily
gingerfold:
Buzzer:
Old yard scene but anyone know who the company was and where from, BuzzerSavile Transport Company Ltd, Parsonage Garage, Meanwood Road, Mickletown, Leeds.
Close to Yardleys yard with the stinking old tannery? behind it.
oiltreader:
Thanks to Buzzer for the photo
What make is this? looks like a wartime take with the blacked lights also note the semaphore indicator.
Oily
Donāt know but with a Norwegian wartime location, perhaps an early Volvo or Scania-Vabis?
Tuesday June 30th 2020. This UPS Iveco van is parked at the top of Standishgate in Wigan town centre.
It is usually there for a long time, as the driver is able to deliver many parcels and packages to lots of
shops and offices without the need to move the van, the area being a traffic free location, apart from
deliveries and collections. The pedestrians to the left are in the " Socially Distancing " queue for the
Halifax Building Society, and those behind the van are queueing for the Natwest Bank.
If John West from Barrow sees this picture, it may remind him of his favourite " 2nd Gear Hillstart "
location on his way to a timber yard the other side of town. 
Cheers, Ray.
Spardo:
OilTreader:
Thanks to Buzzer for the photo
What make is this? looks like a wartime take with the blacked lights also note the semaphore indicator.
OilyDonāt know but with a Norwegian wartime location, perhaps an early Volvo or Scania-Vabis?
TruckNetUK . Old Time Lorries . Past Present And In Between In Pictures .652. White 700-Series,800-Series,
WA,WB And 3000 F-Type COE Heavy Motor Truck Ranges,USA. Wednesday,1st July,2020. VALKYRIE
The White cab-over-engine 700-Series and 800-Series motor truck models were introduced in 1934,and
were revised in 1937.Until 1938 most if not all of this range were powered by a White Pancake Flat Horizontally-Opposed 12-Cylinder Gasoline-Petrol Engine,which has been variously described by several different authors as being a āV12ā,an āopposed piston engineā and a āhorizontally opposed piston engineā,but in actual fact it was a pancake flat horizontally-opposed 12-cylinder engine.It was originally developed to power White City 100-Passenger Motorcoaches,and was made in at least two sizes:465 CID-7.6 Litres and 505 CID-8.3 Litres.
At least one of the flat-12 engines was designated 24 - this was the power unit of Autocar and White
T17 pilot halftracks for the USA military in 1943.
The White 700-Series and 800-Series cab-over-engine range developed in to the WA range in 1940,and then
the WB range in 1946 which was replaced by the famous 3000 F-Type Tilt Cab-Over-Engine models in
1949.
White 730-Series,Cab-Over-Engine,R4x2,Tanker Lorry,Drawbar,4-Wheeler,Tanker-Bodied,Trailer Outfit,A-35148,1937-1940,Standard,Oslo,Norway.TNUK,OTL-PP&IBIP,652.6-2020.OilTreader.1#
White 730 & 731-Series,Cab-Over-Engine,Heavy Motor Truck Range introduced in 1934.Some were 800-Series,later re-designated WA.TNUK,OTL-PP&IBIP,652.6-2020.2.BP.Blogspot.Com.1#
White WB,Cab-Over-Engine,4x2-2,Tractive Unit,Articulated Streamlined Tanker Motor Truck,Labattās,1947,preserved.TNUK,OTL-PP&IBIP,652.6-2020.CarPhoto-Flickriver.1#
White 700-Series,Cab-Over-Engine,R4x2,Streamlined Tanker Motor Truck,1937.Superb and spectacular styling by Alexis De Sakhnoffsky.TNUK,OTL-PP&IBIP,652.6-2020.AldenJewell-Flickr-Pinterest.1#
White 3000 F-Type,Tilt Cab-Over-Engine,R6x2 or R6x4,Tanker Motor Truck.1953.TNUK,OTL-PP&IBIP,652.6-2020.George Murphy-Flickr-Pinterest.1#
VALKYRIE
7 May 1985
Alfreton Road
Little Eaton
Derbys ,ENG,
A Leyland 6x4, possibly ex MoD
Leaning against another victim of the scrapperā¦
VALKYRIE:
Spardo:
OilTreader:
Thanks to Buzzer for the photo
What make is this? looks like a wartime take with the blacked lights also note the semaphore indicator.
OilyDonāt know but with a Norwegian wartime location, perhaps an early Volvo or Scania-Vabis?
TruckNetUK . Old Time Lorries . Past Present And In Between In Pictures .652. White 700-Series,800-Series,
WA,WB And 3000 F-Type COE Heavy Motor Truck Ranges,USA. Wednesday,1st July,2020. VALKYRIEThe White cab-over-engine 700-Series and 800-Series motor truck models were introduced in 1934,and
were revised in 1937.Until 1938 most if not all of this range were powered by a White Pancake Flat Horizontally-Opposed 12-Cylinder Gasoline-Petrol Engine,which has been variously described by several different authors as being a āV12ā,an āopposed piston engineā and a āhorizontally opposed piston engineā,but in actual fact it was a pancake flat horizontally-opposed 12-cylinder engine.It was originally developed to power White City 100-Passenger Motorcoaches,and was made in at least two sizes:465 CID-7.6 Litres and 505 CID-8.3 Litres.
At least one of the flat-12 engines was designated 24 - this was the power unit of Autocar and White
T17 pilot halftracks for the USA military in 1943.
The White 700-Series and 800-Series cab-over-engine range developed in to the WA range in 1940,and then
the WB range in 1946 which was replaced by the famous 3000 F-Type Tilt Cab-Over-Engine models in
1949.
White 730-Series,Cab-Over-Engine,R4x2,Tanker Lorry,Drawbar,4-Wheeler,Tanker-Bodied,Trailer Outfit,A-35148,1937-1940,Standard,Oslo,Norway.TNUK,OTL-PP&IBIP,652.6-2020.OilTreader.1#
0
White 730 & 731-Series,Cab-Over-Engine,Heavy Motor Truck Range introduced in 1934.Some were 800-Series,later re-designated WA.TNUK,OTL-PP&IBIP,652.6-2020.2.BP.Blogspot.Com.1#
4
White WB,Cab-Over-Engine,4x2-2,Tractive Unit,Articulated Streamlined Tanker Motor Truck,Labattās,1947,preserved.TNUK,OTL-PP&IBIP,652.6-2020.CarPhoto-Flickriver.1#
3
White 700-Series,Cab-Over-Engine,R4x2,Streamlined Tanker Motor Truck,1937.Superb and spectacular styling by Alexis De Sakhnoffsky.TNUK,OTL-PP&IBIP,652.6-2020.AldenJewell-Flickr-Pinterest.1#
2
White 3000 F-Type,Tilt Cab-Over-Engine,R6x2 or R6x4,Tanker Motor Truck.1953.TNUK,OTL-PP&IBIP,652.6-2020.George Murphy-Flickr-Pinterest.1#
1VALKYRIE
Fascinating info Valkyrie, thenk you.
The White cab-over-engine 700-Series and 800-Series motor truck models were introduced in 1934,and
were revised in 1937.Until 1938 most if not all of this range were powered by a White Pancake Flat Horizontally-Opposed 12-Cylinder Gasoline-Petrol Engine,which has been variously described by several different authors as being a āV12ā,an āopposed piston engineā and a āhorizontally opposed piston engineā,but in actual fact it was a pancake flat horizontally-opposed 12-cylinder engine.It was originally developed to power White City 100-Passenger Motorcoaches,and was made in at least two sizes:465 CID-7.6 Litres and 505 CID-8.3 Litres.
At least one of the flat-12 engines was designated 24 - this was the power unit of Autocar and White
T17 pilot halftracks for the USA military in 1943.
VALKYRIE
[/quote]
Are you sure it was opposed which would mean 24 pistons with either one crankshaft linked by rods etc, or two crankshafts coupled with gears. Or was it simply a flat 12 with one crankshaft between two banks of six?
Then very similar to the flat-12 which powered the French EBR Army tank (1952). Designed by assembling 6 Panhard flat-twins; 200 bhp at 3700 rpm.
mvcgfrance.org/menu2/vehicules_ ā¦ ebbre.html
Thanks to pyewacket947v, Ray Smyth, VALKYRIE and Froggy55 for the pics and great detail on the White from VALKYRIE
Oily
One unit five trailersā¦neat(albeit with landing legs removed), all credit to Richard Says for the photo.
Buzzer:
Couple for today, Buzzer.
2nd picture shows a BRS load of London Brick commons,handball on handball off,the commons used to cut your gloves/hands to ribbons.
David
5thwheel:
Buzzer:
Couple for today, Buzzer.2nd picture shows a BRS load of London Brick commons,handball on handball off,the commons used to cut your gloves/hands to ribbons.
David
David i think i can remember a gadget that was used and maybe someone can confirm, it was a sort of cantilever thing which had thin metal blades each side and could lift 5 or 6 bricks at a time. it was inserted over the bricks and lifted there bye operating the scissor pinch and then swung in the direction of the recipient and the pressure let go thus releasing the clasp on the bricks ready for catching and stacking, does anyone recollect such a piece of equipment, Buzzer
Peterm:
The White cab-over-engine 700-Series and 800-Series motor truck models were introduced in 1934,and
were revised in 1937.Until 1938 most if not all of this range were powered by a White Pancake Flat Horizontally-Opposed 12-Cylinder Gasoline-Petrol Engine,which has been variously described by several different authors as being a āV12ā,an āopposed piston engineā and a āhorizontally opposed piston engineā,but in actual fact it was a pancake flat horizontally-opposed 12-cylinder engine.It was originally developed to power White City 100-Passenger Motorcoaches,and was made in at least two sizes:465 CID-7.6 Litres and 505 CID-8.3 Litres.
At least one of the flat-12 engines was designated 24 - this was the power unit of Autocar and White
T17 pilot halftracks for the USA military in 1943.VALKYRIE
Are you sure it was opposed which would mean 24 pistons with either one crankshaft linked by rods etc, or two crankshafts coupled with gears. Or was it simply a flat 12 with one crankshaft between two banks of six?
[/quote]
TruckNetUK . Old Time Lorries . Past Present And In Between In Pictures .653.Differences of Flat Pancake
Boxer Horizontally Opposed 2-,4-,6,8-,10-,12-,16-Cylinder Engines And Horizontally Opposed Piston Engines.
Friday,3rd July,2020. VALKYRIE
Flat Pancake Boxer Horizontally Opposed 2-,4-,6,8-,10-,12-,16-Cylinder Engines.
Horizontally Opposed Piston Engines.
Hello Peterm The terminology for these above two distinct configurations of engine-types can be
downright confusing,which is almost certainly caused by the operative word āopposedā And this is
reflected in what I said in my above post: QUOTE:-
White Pancake Flat Horizontally-Opposed 12-Cylinder Gasoline-Petrol Engine,which has been variously described by several different authors as being a āV12ā,an āopposed piston engineā and a āhorizontally opposed piston engineā,but in actual fact it was a pancake flat horizontally-opposed 12-cylinder engine.UNQUOTE.
As I stated in my original above post,the White Pancake Flat Horizontally Opposed 12-Cylinder Gasoline-
Petrol Engine was originally developed for use in White City Motorcoaches which were mid underfloor-
engined i.e.the above flat 12 engine was fitted.The reasons why it was a flat 12 was to provide enough
power for this motorcoach and to comply with the flat floor design of this motor vehicle.A V-12 engine
would have been impractical for obvious reasons.
Flat Pancake Boxer Horizontally Opposed 2-,4-,6,8-,10-,12-,16-Cylinder Engines share a central crankshaft
with two horizontally opposed banks of whatever number of cylinders.
WIKIPEDIA:-
QUOTE:A flat engine, also known as a horizontally opposed engine, is a piston engine where the cylinders are located on either side of a central crankshaft. It is effectively a V engine with a 180-degree angle between the cylinder banks. A flat engine should not be confused with the opposed-piston engine, in which each cylinder has two pistons sharing a central combustion chamber.
The most common configuration of flat engines is the boxer engine, where each pair of opposed cylinders moves inwards and outwards at the same time. The other configuration is called a ā180-degree V engineā and have each crankpin shared by a pair of cylinders.UNQUOTE.
ENGINES.Porsche 917 Can-Am experimental flat pancake horizontally opposed 16-cylinder engine.A single central crankshaft is shared between two horizontally opposed banks of 8-cylinders each.TNUK,OTL-PP&IBIP,653.7-2020.Wikipedia.3#
Famous flat pancake boxer horizontally opposed cylinder engines include:-
BMW flat pancake horizontally opposed 2-cylinder motorcycle engines
Volkswagen Beetle flat pancake horizontally opposed 4-cylinder motorcar engine.
Ferrari flat pancake horizontally opposed 12-cylinder Grand Prix Motor Racing and sports car engines.
Jowett Javelin flat pancake horizontally opposed 4-cylinder aerodynamic saloon motorcar engine.
Horizontally Opposed Piston Engines have two opposed pistons in each cylinder,when each piston
simultaneously reaches top dead center the remaining space between the two pistons forms the
combustion chamber.
WIKIPEDIA:-
QUOTE:For horizontally-opposed engines, see flat engine.
An opposed-piston engine is a piston engine in which each cylinder has a piston at both ends, and no cylinder head.
Petrol and diesel opposed-piston engines have been used, mostly in large scale applications such as ships, military tanks and in factories.
ENGINES.A schematic of a supercharged opposed piston engine Has two opposed pistons in each cylinder.TNUK,OTL-PP&IBIP,653.7-2020.Wikipedia.2#
NOTE:Certain engines listed below are not necessarily horizontal.
Famous opposed piston engines include:-
Commer-Rootes TS3 Horizontally Opposed Piston 3-Cylinder Two Stroke Diesel Lorry & Motorcoach Engine.
Junkers Vertically Opposed Piston Two Stroke Diesel Aeroplane Engines
Napier Deltic Opposed Piston 18-Cylinder Two Stroke Diesel Marine,Industrial and Rail Traction Engines
Leyland L60 Horizontally Opposed Piston 6-Cylinder Two Stroke Diesel Military Tank Engines.
So the four operative words in two groups of two are:-
1.
Opposed cylinder.
Opposed piston.
Simple
ENGINES.White Pancake Boxer Flat Horizontally Opposed 12-Cylinder Engine being serviced in a White mid underfloor engined,Motorcoach.TNUK,OTL-PP&IBIP,653.7-2020.CurbsideClassic.Com.1#
ENGINES.White 748,Mid Underfloor White Pancake Boxer Flat Horizontally Opposed 12-Cylinder Engined, Motorcoach.Preserved 1938 San Francico Municipal,No.042.TNUK,OTL-PP&IBIP,653.7-2020.Spicoli-Flickr-Pinterest.4#
NOTE:A YouTube 15:31 duration film-video of the above White 748 Motorcoach (some title it a Bus )
shows it carrying passengers,running on the streets of San Francisco and from 1 minute to around 4:20
its White Pancake Boxer Flat Horizontally Opposed 12-Cylinder Gasoline-Petrol Engine can be seenā¦
and heard running.The driver gives a good explanation of this engine
curbsideclassic.com/bus-sto ā¦ buses-too/
VALKYRIE
VALKYRIE:
1.
Opposed cylinder.
Opposed piston.
Simple
- Opposed cylinder boxer ( individual crankpins per cylinder ).
Buzzer:
5thwheel:
Buzzer:
Couple for today, Buzzer.2nd picture shows a BRS load of London Brick commons,handball on handball off,the commons used to cut your gloves/hands to ribbons.
David
David i think i can remember a gadget that was used and maybe someone can confirm, it was a sort of cantilever thing which had thin metal blades each side and could lift 5 or 6 bricks at a time. it was inserted over the bricks and lifted there bye operating the scissor pinch and then swung in the direction of the recipient and the pressure let go thus releasing the clasp on the bricks ready for catching and stacking, does anyone recollect such a piece of equipment, Buzzer
Buzzer,I can recall a set up IIRC called a Stacalift,or something similar that ran on rails on the edges of the flat on a ridged,used to up lift or deliver a lot more than 5 or 6 bricks though,London Brick had quite a few of them.
David
5thwheel:
Buzzer:
5thwheel:
Buzzer:
Couple for today, Buzzer.2nd picture shows a BRS load of London Brick commons,handball on handball off,the commons used to cut your gloves/hands to ribbons.
David
David i think i can remember a gadget that was used and maybe someone can confirm, it was a sort of cantilever thing which had thin metal blades each side and could lift 5 or 6 bricks at a time. it was inserted over the bricks and lifted there bye operating the scissor pinch and then swung in the direction of the recipient and the pressure let go thus releasing the clasp on the bricks ready for catching and stacking, does anyone recollect such a piece of equipment, Buzzer
Buzzer,I can recall a set up IIRC called a Stacalift,or something similar that ran on rails on the edges of the flat on a ridged,used to up lift or deliver a lot more than 5 or 6 bricks though,London Brick had quite a few of them.
David
Mate I couldānt rest and looked it up and you can still get a modern version of them today believe it or not from Amazon, Buzzer
VALKYRIE:
Peterm:
The White cab-over-engine 700-Series and 800-Series motor truck models were introduced in 1934,and
were revised in 1937.Until 1938 most if not all of this range were powered by a White Pancake Flat Horizontally-Opposed 12-Cylinder Gasoline-Petrol Engine,which has been variously described by several different authors as being a āV12ā,an āopposed piston engineā and a āhorizontally opposed piston engineā,but in actual fact it was a pancake flat horizontally-opposed 12-cylinder engine.It was originally developed to power White City 100-Passenger Motorcoaches,and was made in at least two sizes:465 CID-7.6 Litres and 505 CID-8.3 Litres.
At least one of the flat-12 engines was designated 24 - this was the power unit of Autocar and White
T17 pilot halftracks for the USA military in 1943.VALKYRIE
Are you sure it was opposed which would mean 24 pistons with either one crankshaft linked by rods etc, or two crankshafts coupled with gears. Or was it simply a flat 12 with one crankshaft between two banks of six?
TruckNetUK . Old Time Lorries . Past Present And In Between In Pictures .653.Differences of Flat Pancake
Boxer Horizontally Opposed 2-,4-,6,8-,10-,12-,16-Cylinder Engines And Horizontally Opposed Piston Engines.
Friday,3rd July,2020. VALKYRIE
Flat Pancake Boxer Horizontally Opposed 2-,4-,6,8-,10-,12-,16-Cylinder Engines.
Horizontally Opposed Piston Engines.
Hello Peterm The terminology for these above two distinct configurations of engine-types can be
downright confusing,which is almost certainly caused by the operative word āopposedā And this is
reflected in what I said in my above post: QUOTE:-
White Pancake Flat Horizontally-Opposed 12-Cylinder Gasoline-Petrol Engine,which has been variously described by several different authors as being a āV12ā,an āopposed piston engineā and a āhorizontally opposed piston engineā,but in actual fact it was a pancake flat horizontally-opposed 12-cylinder engine.UNQUOTE.
As I stated in my original above post,the White Pancake Flat Horizontally Opposed 12-Cylinder Gasoline-
Petrol Engine was originally developed for use in White City Motorcoaches which were mid underfloor-
engined i.e.the above flat 12 engine was fitted.The reasons why it was a flat 12 was to provide enough
power for this motorcoach and to comply with the flat floor design of this motor vehicle.A V-12 engine
would have been impractical for obvious reasons.
Flat Pancake Boxer Horizontally Opposed 2-,4-,6,8-,10-,12-,16-Cylinder Engines share a central crankshaft
with two horizontally opposed banks of whatever number of cylinders.
WIKIPEDIA:-
QUOTE:A flat engine, also known as a horizontally opposed engine, is a piston engine where the cylinders are located on either side of a central crankshaft. It is effectively a V engine with a 180-degree angle between the cylinder banks. A flat engine should not be confused with the opposed-piston engine, in which each cylinder has two pistons sharing a central combustion chamber.
The most common configuration of flat engines is the boxer engine, where each pair of opposed cylinders moves inwards and outwards at the same time. The other configuration is called a ā180-degree V engineā and have each crankpin shared by a pair of cylinders.UNQUOTE.
ENGINES.Porsche 917 Can-Am experimental flat pancake horizontally opposed 16-cylinder engine.A single central crankshaft is shared between two horizontally opposed banks of 8-cylinders each.TNUK,OTL-PP&IBIP,653.7-2020.Wikipedia.3#
3
Famous flat pancake boxer horizontally opposed cylinder engines include:-
BMW flat pancake horizontally opposed 2-cylinder motorcycle engines
Volkswagen Beetle flat pancake horizontally opposed 4-cylinder motorcar engine.
Ferrari flat pancake horizontally opposed 12-cylinder Grand Prix Motor Racing and sports car engines.
Jowett Javelin flat pancake horizontally opposed 4-cylinder aerodynamic saloon motorcar engine.
Horizontally Opposed Piston Engines have two opposed pistons in each cylinder,when each piston
simultaneously reaches top dead center the remaining space between the two pistons forms the
combustion chamber.
WIKIPEDIA:-
QUOTE:For horizontally-opposed engines, see flat engine.
An opposed-piston engine is a piston engine in which each cylinder has a piston at both ends, and no cylinder head.
Petrol and diesel opposed-piston engines have been used, mostly in large scale applications such as ships, military tanks and in factories.
ENGINES.A schematic of a supercharged opposed piston engine Has two opposed pistons in each cylinder.TNUK,OTL-PP&IBIP,653.7-2020.Wikipedia.2#
2
NOTE:Certain engines listed below are not necessarily horizontal.
Famous opposed piston engines include:-
Commer-Rootes TS3 Horizontally Opposed Piston 3-Cylinder Two Stroke Diesel Lorry & Motorcoach Engine.
Junkers Vertically Opposed Piston Two Stroke Diesel Aeroplane Engines
Napier Deltic Opposed Piston 18-Cylinder Two Stroke Diesel Marine,Industrial and Rail Traction Engines
Leyland L60 Horizontally Opposed Piston 6-Cylinder Two Stroke Diesel Military Tank Engines.
So the four operative words in two groups of two are:-
1.
Opposed cylinder.
Opposed piston.
Simple
ENGINES.White Pancake Boxer Flat Horizontally Opposed 12-Cylinder Engine being serviced in a White mid underfloor engined,Motorcoach.TNUK,OTL-PP&IBIP,653.7-2020.CurbsideClassic.Com.1#
1
ENGINES.White 748,Mid Underfloor White Pancake Boxer Flat Horizontally Opposed 12-Cylinder Engined, Motorcoach.Preserved 1938 San Francico Municipal,No.042.TNUK,OTL-PP&IBIP,653.7-2020.Spicoli-Flickr-Pinterest.4#
0
NOTE:A YouTube 15:31 duration film-video of the above White 748 Motorcoach (some title it a Bus )
shows it carrying passengers,running on the streets of San Francisco and from 1 minute to around 4:20
its White Pancake Boxer Flat Horizontally Opposed 12-Cylinder Gasoline-Petrol Engine can be seenā¦
and heard running.The driver gives a good explanation of this engine
curbsideclassic.com/bus-sto ā¦ buses-too/
VALKYRIE
[/quote]
Nope, I stand by what I said. That first picture is simply a flat 16 cylinder engine. You can see eight plugs on one side which means there are eight on the other side. If it was an opposed piston engine the plugs would be in the middle. The TS3 was an opposed piston engine, the one in the picture isnāt. The Deltic was opposed pistons with three cylinders, three crankshafts and six pistons per unit.
5thwheel:
Buzzer:
5thwheel:
Buzzer:
Couple for today, Buzzer.2nd picture shows a BRS load of London Brick commons,handball on handball off,the commons used to cut your gloves/hands to ribbons.
David
David i think i can remember a gadget that was used and maybe someone can confirm, it was a sort of cantilever thing which had thin metal blades each side and could lift 5 or 6 bricks at a time. it was inserted over the bricks and lifted there bye operating the scissor pinch and then swung in the direction of the recipient and the pressure let go thus releasing the clasp on the bricks ready for catching and stacking, does anyone recollect such a piece of equipment, Buzzer
Buzzer,I can recall a set up IIRC called a Stacalift,or something similar that ran on rails on the edges of the flat on a ridged,used to up lift or deliver a lot more than 5 or 6 bricks though,London Brick had quite a few of them.
David
See working here David
youtube.com/watch?v=n5-QjyYfjlo.
Oily