kr79:
Sounds like he does a lot of very time critical stuff with vans and small trucks who is very worried about problems with customs.
I think most business involved in any EU trade is worried, there seems to be no plan, meaningful negotiations or progress on the UK leaving of the EU.
At the very end of the last Parliament the Haulage Permits and Trailer Registration Act 2018 received Royal Assent and became an Act of Parliament. It is the first Deal or No Deal Bill to pass into law. It provides for all kinds of eventualities (in this case relating to cross-border road haulage) in a no deal situation. One key thing it does is that at the moment the UK doesn’t require HGV drivers to have permits to drive here. Thus there is no framework in law to issue or enforce permits. If there is a deal the UK will have permits and control the numbers of lorries with the powers to do that. If there is no deal the Act also provides for the powers to do UK permits.
The Act is aimed at promoting “reciprocal” access, but it is vague on those EU lorries which drive through the UK merely to get to and from Eire. Road pricing/vignettes for that traffic have not been mentioned, neither has the economic argument been put forward either way.
Nite Owl:
How does the rest of the world get into Europe?
The EU has Free Trade Agreements in place with 36* Non-EU countries.
The EU has Preferential Trade Agreements in place with 49* Non-EU countries.
The EU is either negotiating or has Preferential Trade Agreements pending with 82* Non-EU countries.
*These numbers are fluid as a state moves from one agreement to another following negotiation.
None of these countries accepts any of the Four Freedoms as they are the basics of the Single Market, to which none of these countries are a member. Which begs the question If the UK is to cease being a member of the EU, and therefore the Single Market, why is our government negotiating acceptance of any of the Four Freedoms?
Juddian:
I thought a goodly number of them paddled out 12 miles from the Libyan coast complete with their well heeled ‘guide’ and awaited one of the free ferries, currently docking at some place once known as Spain.
Nite Owl:
How does the rest of the world get into Europe?
The EU has Free Trade Agreements in place with 36* Non-EU countries.
The EU has Preferential Trade Agreements in place with 49* Non-EU countries.
The EU is either negotiating or has Preferential Trade Agreements pending with 82* Non-EU countries.
*These numbers are fluid as a state moves from one agreement to another following negotiation.
None of these countries accepts any of the Four Freedoms as they are the basics of the Single Market, to which none of these countries are a member. Which begs the question If the UK is to cease being a member of the EU, and therefore the Single Market, why is our government negotiating acceptance of any of the Four Freedoms?
As (currently) members of the EU we are party to all of these Free and Preferential Trade deals.
Come Brexit we will be in none of them.
Franglais:
As (currently) members of the EU we are party to all of these Free and Preferential Trade deals.
Come Brexit we will be in none of them.
But you would have to admit that wages have stagnated across the haulage industry since the 2004 and 2007 eu expansions, and that the once-thriving British continental transport industry has been all but completely killed off by cheap eastern European labour, surely?
I read just last week that one of the main fears of Remoaners is that wages for UK lorry drivers will have to rise sharply. I’m bricking it.
Nite Owl:
How does the rest of the world get into Europe?
The EU has Free Trade Agreements in place with 36* Non-EU countries.
The EU has Preferential Trade Agreements in place with 49* Non-EU countries.
The EU is either negotiating or has Preferential Trade Agreements pending with 82* Non-EU countries.
*These numbers are fluid as a state moves from one agreement to another following negotiation.
None of these countries accepts any of the Four Freedoms as they are the basics of the Single Market, to which none of these countries are a member. Which begs the question If the UK is to cease being a member of the EU, and therefore the Single Market, why is our government negotiating acceptance of any of the Four Freedoms?
As (currently) members of the EU we are party to all of these Free and Preferential Trade deals.
Come Brexit we will be in none of them.
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I think that should read come a no deal Brexit,
Although considering the present governments absolutely inept handling of it seems more likely every day.
Franglais:
As (currently) members of the EU we are party to all of these Free and Preferential Trade deals.
Come Brexit we will be in none of them.
But you would have to admit that wages have stagnated across the haulage industry since the 2004 and 2007 eu expansions, and that the once-thriving British continental transport industry has been all but completely killed off by cheap eastern European labour, surely?
I read just last week that one of the main fears of Remoaners is that wages for UK lorry drivers will have to rise sharply. I’m bricking it.
Harry, I think the UK international industry was killed by high taxation before the eastern Europeans got going.
Franglais:
As (currently) members of the EU we are party to all of these Free and Preferential Trade deals.
Come Brexit we will be in none of them.
But you would have to admit that wages have stagnated across the haulage industry since the 2004 and 2007 eu expansions, and that the once-thriving British continental transport industry has been all but completely killed off by cheap eastern European labour, surely?
I read just last week that one of the main fears of Remoaners is that wages for UK lorry drivers will have to rise sharply. I’m bricking it.
Wage stagnation has happened across the richer nations and seems bear a direct link with the adoption of neo-liberal economic policies, but if you think that bad those same policies seem to have lead to money being siphoned from the Worlds poorest countries by many times more than all the aid money going the other way.
It’s often because of policies from unelected bodies such as the WTO, IMF and World Bank, forcing those countries to sell off thier state owned services to private companies, which are often global multi nationals who take profits out of the country and often use the same dodgy accounting methods used in richer countries to avoid paying tax back into those countries where they are making cast profits.
And can you remember where you read about remainers being worried about wage increases, be a nice to throw into other debates about how us workers are being screwed by globalisation.
Franglais:
As (currently) members of the EU we are party to all of these Free and Preferential Trade deals.
Come Brexit we will be in none of them.
But you would have to admit that wages have stagnated across the haulage industry since the 2004 and 2007 eu expansions, and that the once-thriving British continental transport industry has been all but completely killed off by cheap eastern European labour, surely?
I read just last week that one of the main fears of Remoaners is that wages for UK lorry drivers will have to rise sharply. I’m bricking it.
Harry, I think the UK international industry was killed by high taxation before the eastern Europeans got going.
Ok but what about the Dutch, Danish, German, French and now increasingly Spainish ( a country with high unemployment) International haulage industry?
Very rare to see any of their trucks far from home these days, loads of their trailer, but pulled by tractor units registered in countries who have joined the EU more recently.
Nite Owl:
How does the rest of the world get into Europe?
The EU has Free Trade Agreements in place with 36* Non-EU countries.
The EU has Preferential Trade Agreements in place with 49* Non-EU countries.
The EU is either negotiating or has Preferential Trade Agreements pending with 82* Non-EU countries.
*These numbers are fluid as a state moves from one agreement to another following negotiation.
None of these countries accepts any of the Four Freedoms as they are the basics of the Single Market, to which none of these countries are a member. Which begs the question If the UK is to cease being a member of the EU, and therefore the Single Market, why is our government negotiating acceptance of any of the Four Freedoms?
As (currently) members of the EU we are party to all of these Free and Preferential Trade deals.
Come Brexit we will be in none of them.
Oh wait you mean ‘preferential trade deals’ like the single market which provides us with a 50 billion Euros pa trade deficit with Germany alone.Added to the insult of which is the injury of paying the EU a fortune for the privilege.Or which forces us to apply tarrifs on US imports thereby risking justified US retaliation from a trading partner with which we have a trade surplus.As for your mate remainer May deliberately sabotaging Brexit by needlessly going for worst of all worlds options.Yes we know that’s her plan so remainers like you can say oh look we might as well stay in the Federal scam.These deluded lying loyal EU supporters are avin a bleedin larf at our country’s expense.
muckles:
Ok but what about the Dutch, Danish, German, French and now increasingly Spainish ( a country with high unemployment) International haulage industry?
Very rare to see any of their trucks far from home these days, loads of their trailer, but pulled by tractor units registered in countries who have joined the EU more recently.
When cabotage restrictions are finally removed, which is the eventual aim of the eu, there is no chance whatsoever that a British driver will be used to take an internal UK load. London to Manchester will go the same way as London to Milan, Madrid, Munich etc.
muckles:
Ok but what about the Dutch, Danish, German, French and now increasingly Spainish ( a country with high unemployment) International haulage industry?
Very rare to see any of their trucks far from home these days, loads of their trailer, but pulled by tractor units registered in countries who have joined the EU more recently.
When cabotage restrictions are finally removed, which is the eventual aim of the eu, there is no chance whatsoever that a British driver will be used to take an internal UK load. London to Manchester will go the same way as London to Milan, Madrid, Munich etc.
Which is what they wanted all along. Low-wage, obedient mugs. Socialism always seeks to drag others down to a level, not raise them to unknown heights.
If I’m ever placed in a situation I’m not happy with I simply remove myself from said situation. I’d be quite happy to see the remainders remove themselves from a situation that they’re obviously so distressed about, something like all the Americans who upped sticks and left the USA as they threatened when Trump was elected. Oh, hang on a minute…
the maoster:
If I’m ever placed in a situation I’m not happy with I simply remove myself from said situation. I’d be quite happy to see the remainders remove themselves from a situation that they’re obviously so distressed about, something like all the Americans who upped sticks and left the USA as they threatened when Trump was elected. Oh, hang on a minute…
Nite Owl:
How does the rest of the world get into Europe?
The EU has Free Trade Agreements in place with 36* Non-EU countries.
The EU has Preferential Trade Agreements in place with 49* Non-EU countries.
The EU is either negotiating or has Preferential Trade Agreements pending with 82* Non-EU countries.
*These numbers are fluid as a state moves from one agreement to another following negotiation.
None of these countries accepts any of the Four Freedoms as they are the basics of the Single Market, to which none of these countries are a member. Which begs the question If the UK is to cease being a member of the EU, and therefore the Single Market, why is our government negotiating acceptance of any of the Four Freedoms?
As (currently) members of the EU we are party to all of these Free and Preferential Trade deals.
Come Brexit we will be in none of them.
Sent from my SM-G361F using Tapatalk
We can buy our stuff from whomever we want, and there are plenty of contenders for the same or very similar quality stuff food-wise.
Oranges from Florida instead of Spain, and other foods re-sourced from any and everywhere around the world. We’re buying, so we can pick whom we buy from. No country is going to elect to “not sell to Britain” because the “EU told them not to”.
Meanwhile, Britain selling UK stuff overseas would be slightly more tricky, because it is mostly services rather than goods.
That is where the City of London as the world’s Forex trading center comes in. If the City decides to throw the Euro under the bus because the EU are trying to bully the City into “hurting Britain” - then the day will soon come where the City decides to “look after itself” - and boycott the EURO. This will mean the EU will be forced to create a secondary market for Euros in some place like Frankfurt, and all of a sudden the INTERNATIONAL financial services sector wakes up and realizes “they don’t want to be paid in Euros any longer, 'cos it’s risky!” The EU denying London access to sell it UK-based financial services in particular - will be it’s undoing.
Britain need only adopt a “shoot from the hip” style in these “Negotiations” like Trump might do, and indeed IS doing with nations like Turkey right now.
Basically, the EU wants to crush Britain. It is high time we chopped off that appendage they are trying to shaft us with first then.
muckles:
Ok but what about the Dutch, Danish, German, French and now increasingly Spainish ( a country with high unemployment) International haulage industry?
Very rare to see any of their trucks far from home these days, loads of their trailer, but pulled by tractor units registered in countries who have joined the EU more recently.
When cabotage restrictions are finally removed, which is the eventual aim of the eu, there is no chance whatsoever that a British driver will be used to take an internal UK load. London to Manchester will go the same way as London to Milan, Madrid, Munich etc.
Which is what they wanted all along. Low-wage, obedient mugs. Socialism always seeks to drag others down to a level, not raise them to unknown heights.
I think you’ll find removal of cabotage is about lifting restrictions and allowing the market to decide rates and therefore wages, I think that sounds more like a description of unrestricted capitalism?
Winseer:
Basically, the EU wants to crush Britain.
Of course it does. It wants to strangle at birth any dissent, any questioning of its motives, any voice in the wilderness with the temerity to question it’s Modus Operandi. Make no mistake this is an elitist club who’s sole reason for existence is to feather the nests of the chosen few. Jesus H Christ the book “Animal Farm” could have been written about this bloody fiasco (whilst we were all convinced that it was a swipe at communism). Britain can never be allowed to withdraw without bloodshed because of the risk that other nations sick of being royally shafted may just decide that they want their own piece of freedom from this monster. It’s imperative that the overloads of project EU crack down hard on Britain to quell discord in the ranks, they must crack down and be seen to be cracking down too.
Does anyone for one minute think that if basket cases such as Greece, Italy or Portugal voted leave that there’d be any of these punitive threats? Not on your bloody Nelly would there. They’re terrified that their whole illusory house of cards is about to come crashing down!
muckles:
I think you’ll find removal of cabotage is about lifting restrictions and allowing the market to decide rates and therefore wages, I think that sounds more like a description of unrestricted capitalism?
the maoster:
If I’m ever placed in a situation I’m not happy with I simply remove myself from said situation. I’d be quite happy to see the remainders remove themselves from a situation that they’re obviously so distressed about, something like all the Americans who upped sticks and left the USA as they threatened when Trump was elected. Oh, hang on a minute…
I’m unhappy being paid less than one million pounds a week. I think I’ll move to a job that pays better. [WHITE SMILING FACE]
Since you seem to have been unhappy being in the EU as UK residents why hadn’t you take your own advice and left before 2016?
Come on, mate. You’re usually more constructive than that. Don’t try to tell others you disagree with to clear off!
Nite Owl:
How does the rest of the world get into Europe?
The EU has Free Trade Agreements in place with 36* Non-EU countries.
The EU has Preferential Trade Agreements in place with 49* Non-EU countries.
The EU is either negotiating or has Preferential Trade Agreements pending with 82* Non-EU countries.
*These numbers are fluid as a state moves from one agreement to another following negotiation.
None of these countries accepts any of the Four Freedoms as they are the basics of the Single Market, to which none of these countries are a member. Which begs the question If the UK is to cease being a member of the EU, and therefore the Single Market, why is our government negotiating acceptance of any of the Four Freedoms?
As (currently) members of the EU we are party to all of these Free and Preferential Trade deals.
Come Brexit we will be in none of them.
Sent from my SM-G361F using Tapatalk
I think that should read come a no deal Brexit,
Although considering the present governments absolutely inept handling of it seems more likely every day.
Surely it would apply to all Brexit models?
We will need to make New deals will all trading partners.
They could agree to give us an identical deal to an existing EU deal. If course in the interest of their own country, who would?
We are leaving to get better trade deals aren’t we? For our own benefit, and why not? But those on the other side of talks will equally want a better deal. With a threatening world trade war it ain’t gonna be easy or quick.
Leaving totally in 2018 will be a disaster, getting a two year window to make some deals is absolutely necessary.
Aren’t there parallels with the old Scottish Independence vote?
If “Out”, not in the EU or NATO or … anything… their memberships were piggybacking on UK deals.
Cue “project fear”.
When some fools can’t rebut an argument they start name calling. Shout “project fear” all you want.
You’re in a car with a drink driver and a sober passenger points out the approaching brick wall, some other drinkers will be sat there “chicken! go faster”.
If I’m wrong feel free to correct me.
(Latter part not directed at Muckles particularly of course)
