World at 1 pm Radio 4 today

Re any new deals and talks.
When WE go for a better deal we are seeking what is “just” “fair” and better for us.
When the EU or anyone else is negotiating that are “trying to punish us” or “being vindictive” or summat else.
If Trump is for “America First” he’s a good bloke. When he adopts that attitude against the UK then what?
All foreign govs are primarily for their own people and own voters. The same as ours. And quite right.
Those Brexiteers who moan about “unfair EU negotiators” should open their eyes I reckon. THEY are the ones sounding like the “snowflakes” they constantly harp on about.
Double standards, biased language and a short sightedness that’s hard to believe.
Did these idiots believe their own lies that the EU is such a push over?

If talks fail that are getting their excuses all lined up ready. Everyone’s fault except theirs. They’ve won the exit referendum and are doing an excellent job of imitating headless chickens.
All parties are bad, but the power struggles inside the Gov are ridiculous. They wrap themselves in the Union Flag but are more concerned about their own ascent up the ranks rather than the state of the country.

Aarrrgggggghhhh. !
Sorry. Rant over, for the moment.

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the maoster:

Winseer:
Basically, the EU wants to crush Britain.

Of course it does. It wants to strangle at birth any dissent, any questioning of its motives, any voice in the wilderness with the temerity to question it’s Modus Operandi. Make no mistake this is an elitist club who’s sole reason for existence is to feather the nests of the chosen few. Jesus H Christ the book “Animal Farm” could have been written about this bloody fiasco (whilst we were all convinced that it was a swipe at communism). Britain can never be allowed to withdraw without bloodshed because of the risk that other nations sick of being royally shafted may just decide that they want their own piece of freedom from this monster. It’s imperative that the overloads of project EU crack down hard on Britain to quell discord in the ranks, they must crack down and be seen to be cracking down too.

Does anyone for one minute think that if basket cases such as Greece, Italy or Portugal voted leave that there’d be any of these punitive threats? Not on your bloody Nelly would there. They’re terrified that their whole illusory house of cards is about to come crashing down! :imp:

Totally on the same page as you there. It is Holland I feel sorry for - because the EU is going to put its scrawny hands around their collective throats, once the UK has left. The best result would be for Holland to quickly follow us out the door - but WILL they?
I’m wondering if the Strong Remainer sentiment we get to hear about in Holland is actually “Real” - or an intense propaganda campaign that is part of our own “Project Fear”…
The worst thing that Holland can do from here on is “Sit on the fence”.

Notice too, that the EU doesn’t seem to feel the need to “fund Italy” at present, probably because “They no longer have a non-Right government”?
Any sentiment in Italy with regards to “one day leaving the EU” - can only grow from here. Italy have got it all to do though. They must leave the Euro before they can leave the EU - or the ECB will crush Italy, just like they did to Greece. “Can’t print your own money, so you’ll just have to borrow ours - but at huge cost in lay-offs!”
I still reckon Varoufakis should have been allowed to turn on the printing presses… But he was prevented by “In the EU’s pocket” Socialist PM Tsipras, who strangely now has no threats to his continued rule in downtrodden Greece…

muckles:

Drempels:

Harry Monk:

muckles:
Ok but what about the Dutch, Danish, German, French and now increasingly Spainish ( a country with high unemployment) International haulage industry?

Very rare to see any of their trucks far from home these days, loads of their trailer, but pulled by tractor units registered in countries who have joined the EU more recently.

When cabotage restrictions are finally removed, which is the eventual aim of the eu, there is no chance whatsoever that a British driver will be used to take an internal UK load. London to Manchester will go the same way as London to Milan, Madrid, Munich etc.

Which is what they wanted all along. Low-wage, obedient mugs. Socialism always seeks to drag others down to a level, not raise them to unknown heights.

I think you’ll find removal of cabotage is about lifting restrictions and allowing the market to decide rates and therefore wages, I think that sounds more like a description of unrestricted capitalism? :confused:

Thing is, when either system reaches its ultimate goal, you end up with the same result: millions of people working for peanuts, it’s just that socialism (which is commie-lite) tends to involve a bit more murder.

Capitalism has killed a lot more people than communism

Drempels:

muckles:

Drempels:

Harry Monk:

muckles:
Ok but what about the Dutch, Danish, German, French and now increasingly Spainish ( a country with high unemployment) International haulage industry?

Very rare to see any of their trucks far from home these days, loads of their trailer, but pulled by tractor units registered in countries who have joined the EU more recently.

When cabotage restrictions are finally removed, which is the eventual aim of the eu, there is no chance whatsoever that a British driver will be used to take an internal UK load. London to Manchester will go the same way as London to Milan, Madrid, Munich etc.

Which is what they wanted all along. Low-wage, obedient mugs. Socialism always seeks to drag others down to a level, not raise them to unknown heights.

I think you’ll find removal of cabotage is about lifting restrictions and allowing the market to decide rates and therefore wages, I think that sounds more like a description of unrestricted capitalism? :confused:

Thing is, when either system reaches its ultimate goal, you end up with the same result: millions of people working for peanuts, it’s just that socialism (which is commie-lite) tends to involve a bit more murder.

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Aye, right.

Harry Monk:

muckles:
Ok but what about the Dutch, Danish, German, French and now increasingly Spainish ( a country with high unemployment) International haulage industry?

Very rare to see any of their trucks far from home these days, loads of their trailer, but pulled by tractor units registered in countries who have joined the EU more recently.

When cabotage restrictions are finally removed, which is the eventual aim of the eu, there is no chance whatsoever that a British driver will be used to take an internal UK load. London to Manchester will go the same way as London to Milan, Madrid, Munich etc.

The end of cabotage will come when there is a level playing field. We can see nations in the EU working hard to do this. For instance, the French insist that visiting drivers are paid the French minimum wage while in France, and put an end to the practice of ‘cab living’.

The British Government is far too incompetent to take a lead in such matters. But the British Government was the leader in the eastward expansion of the EU, and is unusual in allowing anyone with an EU passport to pitch up and claim benefits. Most EU countries practice what they signed up to: the free movement of labour. You have 3 months to look for a job, and if you don’t get one you go back to where you came from. The UK is unique in allowing the free movement of benefits claimants.

It’s a shame the British Government didn’t pay more attention to the EU and how most nations in it behaved.

GasGas:

Harry Monk:

muckles:
Ok but what about the Dutch, Danish, German, French and now increasingly Spainish ( a country with high unemployment) International haulage industry?

Very rare to see any of their trucks far from home these days, loads of their trailer, but pulled by tractor units registered in countries who have joined the EU more recently.

When cabotage restrictions are finally removed, which is the eventual aim of the eu, there is no chance whatsoever that a British driver will be used to take an internal UK load. London to Manchester will go the same way as London to Milan, Madrid, Munich etc.

The end of cabotage will come when there is a level playing field. We can see nations in the EU working hard to do this. For instance, the French insist that visiting drivers are paid the French minimum wage while in France, and put an end to the practice of ‘cab living’.

The British Government is far too incompetent to take a lead in such matters. But the British Government was the leader in the eastward expansion of the EU, and is unusual in allowing anyone with an EU passport to pitch up and claim benefits. Most EU countries practice what they signed up to: the free movement of labour. You have 3 months to look for a job, and if you don’t get one you go back to where you came from. The UK is unique in allowing the free movement of benefits claimants.

It’s a shame the British Government didn’t pay more attention to the EU and how most nations in it behaved.

Cabotage will end when those pushing for it make it happen, it should have happened a few years ago, but due to pressure from their transport unions and trade bodies, the French, Dutch and Swedish governments managed to stop it, no help from the UK though. However even then those who were pushing it vowed to keep trying and their are those within the EU who have objected to France and Germany’s rules on visiting drivers and would get them overturned.

It’s strange that membership to the EU requires countries wanting membership to harmonise so much of thier rules and regulations, human rights etc, but not harmonise their minimum wages let alone their average wage, it’s almost as if those running the project wanted a source of cheap labour with the right to move freely.

And the whole benefits thing is a complete red herring on this argument, I’ve met plenty of East Europeans in the UK, and all generally ok I have no issue with them just the system, and all were employed.

As for successive British goverments action in the EU, that is part of the problem and evidence of how detached ours and many other goverments have become from the people they’re suppose to represent, instead working at their own agenda and then wonder why the populist movement have become such a force across Europe and the US.

Brexit was as much a 2 fingered salute for the political elite in the UK as it was for the EU.

Exactly, gas gas, when I moved to France, in 2007, I was advised to sign on at the social security office, I said I did not want to claim anything, but was informed that by signing on, I was entitled to 100 hours of French language lessons, as was anyone migrating to France from an EU country.
After filling in the form and showing my passport, I was given a “cheque langue” for 100 hours of lessons, then, the official handed me an A4 sheet which had printed on it, " You are entitled to no benefits, you have not worked in France, therefore you will get nothing ", this was printed in at least 7 languages, I thought it was great, wish UK did the bloody same.

Sapper

Drempels:
Thing is, when either system reaches its ultimate goal, you end up with the same result: millions of people working for peanuts, it’s just that socialism (which is commie-lite) tends to involve a bit more murder.

^ This.

youtube.com/watch?v=9ebftIo_qu4

Although to be fair there are arguably two different leagues like Rugby in the case of Capitalism.Fordist,as opposed to the exploitative Communist in all but name system which we’ve got now.

sapper:
Exactly, gas gas, when I moved to France, in 2007, I was advised to sign on at the social security office, I said I did not want to claim anything, but was informed that by signing on, I was entitled to 100 hours of French language lessons, as was anyone migrating to France from an EU country.
After filling in the form and showing my passport, I was given a “cheque langue” for 100 hours of lessons, then, the official handed me an A4 sheet which had printed on it, " You are entitled to no benefits, you have not worked in France, therefore you will get nothing ", this was printed in at least 7 languages, I thought it was great, wish UK did the bloody same.

Sapper

Indeed, and the UK under Labour was encouraging the influx from the eastern accession countries, before they had even joined the EU. Most of the rest of the rest of the EU allowed only limited quotas of immigrants from the accession nations for years after they joined.

Look back at the past few decades…and the UK was pushing the rest of the EU to do many of the things that the UK is now complaining about.

Here’s one of the idiots in action

telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/0 … u-despite/

GasGas:

sapper:
Exactly, gas gas, when I moved to France, in 2007, I was advised to sign on at the social security office, I said I did not want to claim anything, but was informed that by signing on, I was entitled to 100 hours of French language lessons, as was anyone migrating to France from an EU country.
After filling in the form and showing my passport, I was given a “cheque langue” for 100 hours of lessons, then, the official handed me an A4 sheet which had printed on it, " You are entitled to no benefits, you have not worked in France, therefore you will get nothing ", this was printed in at least 7 languages, I thought it was great, wish UK did the bloody same.

Sapper

Indeed, and the UK under Labour was encouraging the influx from the eastern accession countries, before they had even joined the EU. Most of the rest of the rest of the EU allowed only limited quotas of immigrants from the accession nations for years after they joined.

Look back at the past few decades…and the UK was pushing the rest of the EU to do many of the things that the UK is now complaining about.

Here’s one of the idiots in action

telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/0 … u-despite/

Remainers pointing to the treacherous activeties of the pro EU Cons to make the case for remain.You couldn’t make it up.

As for EU rules regarding benefits.Yes they obviously hide it all behind bs catch 22’s like they have to get a job to be eligible to claim which is actually the same here as it is in France.But claimants and their families are entitled to the same benefits as nationals in their host country and all benefit payouts are the responsibility of that host country.So they come here knowing that they’ll probably find a temporary job then that gives them the full rights to our benefits when they eventually and inevitably get laid off.When if the EU was the real deal the rules would be that all EU migrants are only entitled to the benefits which they are entitled to at home and those benefits are the responsibility of their home country to pay not us.While it’s obviously a total contradiction to have the free movement of labour on the basis of a so called need for it and then contradict themselves by saying that they will also be covered by us for unemployment and income support benefits.Why if they are supposedly only here to work and because we have too many vacancies to fill with our own workers which by definition means they’ll never need to claim such benefits and if they do they should obviously then lose their supposed right of residence which is only supposedly based on them having a job here.It’s just a charter for the transfer of unemployment among other benefit responsibilities obviously as usual to the benefit of the poorer East Euro economies which are only poor because of their own zb wage structures and all cleverly hidden by the EU Commission’s double speak.

the maoster:
If I’m ever placed in a situation I’m not happy with I simply remove myself from said situation. I’d be quite happy to see the remainders remove themselves from a situation that they’re obviously so distressed about, something like all the Americans who upped sticks and left the USA as they threatened when Trump was elected. Oh, hang on a minute…

Do a bit of research and find out what arrangements Nigel Farage has made for his children and their passports post-Brexit.

(Hint…they will be taking advantage of their mother’s nationality, and she’s not British!)

Closer to home, I know a few Protestants in Northern Ireland: to a man and woman they all now have Irish EU passports post Brexit.

Also look at where the Rees-Mogg investment fund is putting its money: clue; not in the UK.

And the Brexit vote was NOT a vote to leave the single market. The official Leave campaign made this very clear before the vote.

newstatesman.com/politics/s … ers-say-so

GasGas:

the maoster:
If I’m ever placed in a situation I’m not happy with I simply remove myself from said situation. I’d be quite happy to see the remainders remove themselves from a situation that they’re obviously so distressed about, something like all the Americans who upped sticks and left the USA as they threatened when Trump was elected. Oh, hang on a minute…

Do a bit of research and find out what arrangements Nigel Farage has made for his children and their passports post-Brexit.

(Hint…they will be taking advantage of their mother’s nationality, and she’s not British!)

Closer to home, I know a few Protestants in Northern Ireland: to a man and woman they all now have Irish EU passports post Brexit.

Also look at where the Rees-Mogg investment fund is putting its money: clue; not in the UK.

And the Brexit vote was NOT a vote to leave the single market. The official Leave campaign made this very clear before the vote.

newstatesman.com/politics/s … ers-say-so

Tbh mate I rarely contribute to political threads because I’m not in the slightest politically motivated. On the odd occasion that I do it is out of a sense of mischief or to stir the pot a little.

The truth is I couldn’t give a rats ■■■ about the EU or whether or not we’re in it. Some might judge me on that and say I should have views and I understand that, but I also understand that a wiser man than I once said that if voting actually changed anything they’d ban it!

Consequently I look after myself whilst being acutely aware that the big clock is ticking and I’m here for a good time, not a long time.

the maoster:

GasGas:

the maoster:
If I’m ever placed in a situation I’m not happy with I simply remove myself from said situation. I’d be quite happy to see the remainders remove themselves from a situation that they’re obviously so distressed about, something like all the Americans who upped sticks and left the USA as they threatened when Trump was elected. Oh, hang on a minute…

Do a bit of research and find out what arrangements Nigel Farage has made for his children and their passports post-Brexit.

(Hint…they will be taking advantage of their mother’s nationality, and she’s not British!)

Closer to home, I know a few Protestants in Northern Ireland: to a man and woman they all now have Irish EU passports post Brexit.

Also look at where the Rees-Mogg investment fund is putting its money: clue; not in the UK.

And the Brexit vote was NOT a vote to leave the single market. The official Leave campaign made this very clear before the vote.

newstatesman.com/politics/s … ers-say-so

Tbh mate I rarely contribute to political threads because I’m not in the slightest politically motivated. On the odd occasion that I do it is out of a sense of mischief or to stir the pot a little.

The truth is I couldn’t give a rats ■■■ about the EU or whether or not we’re in it. Some might judge me on that and say I should have views and I understand that, but I also understand that a wiser man than I once said that if voting actually changed anything they’d ban it!

Consequently I look after myself whilst being acutely aware that the big clock is ticking and I’m here for a good time, not a long time.

That’s a good way to look at it, got me reflecting anyway!

Indeed…I’m not too bothered about EU membership for its own sake. What does worry me is the implication that without a planned, phased, and negotiated exit we will stuff ourselves (and for those of us who have them) and our children’s future for no reason at all.
Personally, for reasons I won’t go into, I’m up about £10k as a result of the Brexit vote. But’ I’m far from typical in that respect.

GasGas:
Indeed…I’m not too bothered about EU membership for its own sake. What does worry me is the implication that without a planned, phased, and negotiated exit we will stuff ourselves (and for those of us who have them) and our children’s future for no reason at all.
Personally, for reasons I won’t go into, I’m up about £10k as a result of the Brexit vote. But’ I’m far from typical in that respect.

The EU is a bit like democracy, or life generally.
It’s a bit ■■■■, but it’s better than the alternatives!

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A Highly Recommended Read:

The cost of a no-deal Brexit on 29th March will be about £8 billion per year if we make no trade deals and operate under WTO rules alone. Remoaners whine that this is a horrendous price to pay, for the continued existence of our nation.

In fact, let’s stop the farce of calling them Remain, or Remoaners, or even Remainiacs.
Let’s call them what they are: Traitors.

You only have to read their rhetoric to know this is true: it is the rhetoric of hatred, of support for a hostile foreign power which wants to see us, and our nation, eradicated in favour of the fascist wet-dream which is the EU.

£8 billion per year. Shocking, eh?

Contrast that with the cost of remaining, which is, £l3 billion per year, plus the completed destruction of our fishing fleet, our NHS, our schools, our welfare services, even our green spaces, and our ability to feed ourselves: unchecked immigration, thanks to ‘free movement’ which is designed to offload the victims of the insane Eurozone, forces us to cover, with concrete, forever, enough of our precious land to build a city the size of Portsmouth – every single year.

That would end, instantly, with a ‘no deal’ Brexit which a recent poll found was the desire of 98% of those taking part. The EU migrants who are currently living on benefits or have criminal convictions could be sent home, and we would be free to spend our annual saving of £5 billion on reconstruction of our industries, services and defences.

Plus, there would be the added bonus of not paying the fascists the £39 billion which quisling Theresa May agreed.

Naturally, the fascists are now in a tail-spin, slyly offering to extend the interminable leaving date, despite it being carved into British law. Naturally, Project Fear is now in overdrive. Naturally, the traitors are shrieking hysterically and demanding to overturn our democratic choice.

In the case of the Irish border, the weird Irish leader Leo Varadkar – living proof that the Irish have lost their collective minds – is threatening to ground our planes and trigger actual bloodshed.

The Irish border is a non-problem: the relationship between Britain and Ireland and our management of the border is covered by the laws of both our nations, which pre-date joining the EU by half a century. The EU has nothing to do with it.

Unless, of course, Varadkar wants to admit what we know is true of EU membership: that Ireland is no longer Ireland, with it’s own law-making capacity, and respect for Irish laws already made.

If the Irish border is a problem, then it is because Ireland is now nothing but a vassal-state of an ugly continental empire formed by stealth, planned by such fascists as Hitler, Mussolini and Moseley.

The traitors demand to see a plan. That’s easy: the plan is self-determinism. The plan is to do what the people want to do, with the co-operation of removable leaders.

What is the traitor’s plan? They have no plan. At least, no plan of their making. Their plan is to have no plan other than plans chosen for them by an increasingly punitive, dysfunctional despotism, to have Britain helpless, at the mercy of, in effect, that abusive partner which is determined to prevent all means of future escape.

Nobody is buying quisling May’s Chequers betrayal. What was voted for was independence. We should have no more link to the EU than any other trading partner – my favourite apples, for example, come from Chile, but not an atom of sovereignty is surrendered in order to get them shipped here.

In all the hysteria created by the traitors, one thing seems to go unmentioned: how outrageous it is that we are even discussing anything with a hostile foreign power. We should no more ‘deal’ with the EU, than pet a viper. Leave means Leave. Go. Exit. End of. There is nothing to discuss. Those legally here, with clean criminal records and jobs, can stay if they wish – unlike the EU we are not fascists. But even that isn’t up for discussion: that is a statement.

And what is even more outrageous is that we are not already out of the cage and into the world. It is 790 days since we voted for independence. The two years which follow the triggering of Article 50 is more than enough ‘transition’ for anyone or anything. Article 50 should have been triggered the day after the Referendum.

We should have now been a free, independent nation, for 60 days.

When, in a democracy, did people ever have to live with the opposite to that they voted for?
Come to think of it, when were we ever consulted on being a vassal state of a continental empire?
The answer to both questions, of course, is ‘never’.

The only thing which stands between civil peace, and violent unrest, is trust that change can be brought about through democracy. Any acceptance of any connection with the EU beyond free trade will betray democracy. Any further delay will confirm we no longer have a democracy at all.

In that case, we will have a moral duty to restore democracy, beginning with the removal of the current administration by whatever means they make necessary. If they are not a democratic government, then there is no justification for their existence.

Labour’s Shadow Brexit Minister Matthew Pennycock admitted that if Brexit were delayed or impeded it would lead to civil unrest. I would take it further – it will lead to civil war.

There is a common fantasy among the traitors that their fellow traitors are vibrant, young and energetic: in fact, the majority are bored housewives, retirees in Spain, elderly faux-socialists, and the sort of pallid, mincing little snowflakes who think that decorating their receding chins with a wispy beard makes up for a multitude of inadequacies.

They really don’t want to be up against the angry majority who have seen their communities, jobs, services and rights betrayed, their heritage surrendered to pander to such vermin as Richard Branson and Gina Miller.
Many have now become practised in protest, all are fuelled by a passion and commitment which the traitors are incapable of measuring. The traitors are so lost in their perverted fantasy, they forget that patriotism is love of home, family, children, past, present and future.

We will be defending our country and our hard-won democracy with everything we have – and we will sweep away every politician, every administrator, every newspaper or TV editor or whiffling ‘luvvie’ who has supported the EU against us.

And the traitors who have drummed their heels in petulance since the Referendum?
They will Leave.

Copied from elsewhere but just wondered if the numbers seem roughly correct?

I said before that I’m not really political. I am however extremely patriotic, patriotic enough to have taken the Queens shilling and gladly borne arms as I advanced on a hostile enemy. The post above ^^^^ almost had me whistling Land of Hope & Glory as I read it. It made me realise one thing; we have been calling it Brexit when in reality we should have been calling it INDEPENDENCE.

kcrussell25:
A Highly Recommended Read:

The cost of a no-deal Brexit on 29th March will be about £8 billion per year if we make no trade deals and operate under WTO rules alone. Remoaners whine that this is a horrendous price to pay, for the continued existence of our nation.

In fact, let’s stop the farce of calling them Remain, or Remoaners, or even Remainiacs.
Let’s call them what they are: Traitors.

You only have to read their rhetoric to know this is true: it is the rhetoric of hatred, of support for a hostile foreign power which wants to see us, and our nation, eradicated in favour of the fascist wet-dream which is the EU.

£8 billion per year. Shocking, eh?

Contrast that with the cost of remaining, which is, £l3 billion per year, plus the completed destruction of our fishing fleet, our NHS, our schools, our welfare services, even our green spaces, and our ability to feed ourselves: unchecked immigration, thanks to ‘free movement’ which is designed to offload the victims of the insane Eurozone, forces us to cover, with concrete, forever, enough of our precious land to build a city the size of Portsmouth – every single year.

That would end, instantly, with a ‘no deal’ Brexit which a recent poll found was the desire of 98% of those taking part. The EU migrants who are currently living on benefits or have criminal convictions could be sent home, and we would be free to spend our annual saving of £5 billion on reconstruction of our industries, services and defences.

Plus, there would be the added bonus of not paying the fascists the £39 billion which quisling Theresa May agreed.

Naturally, the fascists are now in a tail-spin, slyly offering to extend the interminable leaving date, despite it being carved into British law. Naturally, Project Fear is now in overdrive. Naturally, the traitors are shrieking hysterically and demanding to overturn our democratic choice.

In the case of the Irish border, the weird Irish leader Leo Varadkar – living proof that the Irish have lost their collective minds – is threatening to ground our planes and trigger actual bloodshed.

The Irish border is a non-problem: the relationship between Britain and Ireland and our management of the border is covered by the laws of both our nations, which pre-date joining the EU by half a century. The EU has nothing to do with it.

Unless, of course, Varadkar wants to admit what we know is true of EU membership: that Ireland is no longer Ireland, with it’s own law-making capacity, and respect for Irish laws already made.

If the Irish border is a problem, then it is because Ireland is now nothing but a vassal-state of an ugly continental empire formed by stealth, planned by such fascists as Hitler, Mussolini and Moseley.

The traitors demand to see a plan. That’s easy: the plan is self-determinism. The plan is to do what the people want to do, with the co-operation of removable leaders.

What is the traitor’s plan? They have no plan. At least, no plan of their making. Their plan is to have no plan other than plans chosen for them by an increasingly punitive, dysfunctional despotism, to have Britain helpless, at the mercy of, in effect, that abusive partner which is determined to prevent all means of future escape.

Nobody is buying quisling May’s Chequers betrayal. What was voted for was independence. We should have no more link to the EU than any other trading partner – my favourite apples, for example, come from Chile, but not an atom of sovereignty is surrendered in order to get them shipped here.

In all the hysteria created by the traitors, one thing seems to go unmentioned: how outrageous it is that we are even discussing anything with a hostile foreign power. We should no more ‘deal’ with the EU, than pet a viper. Leave means Leave. Go. Exit. End of. There is nothing to discuss. Those legally here, with clean criminal records and jobs, can stay if they wish – unlike the EU we are not fascists. But even that isn’t up for discussion: that is a statement.

And what is even more outrageous is that we are not already out of the cage and into the world. It is 790 days since we voted for independence. The two years which follow the triggering of Article 50 is more than enough ‘transition’ for anyone or anything. Article 50 should have been triggered the day after the Referendum.

We should have now been a free, independent nation, for 60 days.

When, in a democracy, did people ever have to live with the opposite to that they voted for?
Come to think of it, when were we ever consulted on being a vassal state of a continental empire?
The answer to both questions, of course, is ‘never’.

The only thing which stands between civil peace, and violent unrest, is trust that change can be brought about through democracy. Any acceptance of any connection with the EU beyond free trade will betray democracy. Any further delay will confirm we no longer have a democracy at all.

In that case, we will have a moral duty to restore democracy, beginning with the removal of the current administration by whatever means they make necessary. If they are not a democratic government, then there is no justification for their existence.

Labour’s Shadow Brexit Minister Matthew Pennycock admitted that if Brexit were delayed or impeded it would lead to civil unrest. I would take it further – it will lead to civil war.

There is a common fantasy among the traitors that their fellow traitors are vibrant, young and energetic: in fact, the majority are bored housewives, retirees in Spain, elderly faux-socialists, and the sort of pallid, mincing little snowflakes who think that decorating their receding chins with a wispy beard makes up for a multitude of inadequacies.

They really don’t want to be up against the angry majority who have seen their communities, jobs, services and rights betrayed, their heritage surrendered to pander to such vermin as Richard Branson and Gina Miller.
Many have now become practised in protest, all are fuelled by a passion and commitment which the traitors are incapable of measuring. The traitors are so lost in their perverted fantasy, they forget that patriotism is love of home, family, children, past, present and future.

We will be defending our country and our hard-won democracy with everything we have – and we will sweep away every politician, every administrator, every newspaper or TV editor or whiffling ‘luvvie’ who has supported the EU against us.

And the traitors who have drummed their heels in petulance since the Referendum?
They will Leave.

Copied from elsewhere but just wondered if the numbers seem roughly correct?

“Copied from elsewhere”.
Glad to hear it’s not you.
Wouldn’t like to imagine anyone as angry as that having a set of truck keys.

I don’t think they should be let loose with a tricycle either.
They’d be OK with a bicycle: being that unbalanced they’d not get past the hospital gates!

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It’s past my bedtime really.
Can we “cherry-pick” one of the figures and extrapolate from there.
“98% of those surveyed” is it? want out now?
I thought most surveys by national organisations show a near 50/50 split? Much the same as the actual referendum.
If your experience is different maybe it’s because you hang out with like minded individuals? No shock really.

If the quoted 98% is as accurate as the other figures (any sources or references or methodologies given? No?) they are probably equally as accurate.
I.E. not accurate at all.

Taking one figure and expecting the others to be of the same quality, isn’t particularly good practise I’ll admit.
But the original piece seems to have figures plucked out of the air with no explanation at all. Even worse quality than my poor offering!

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