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the maoster:
I said before that I’m not really political. I am however extremely patriotic, patriotic enough to have taken the Queens shilling and gladly borne arms as I advanced on a hostile enemy. The post above ^^^^ almost had me whistling Land of Hope & Glory as I read it. It made me realise one thing; we have been calling it Brexit when in reality we should have been calling it INDEPENDENCE.
No it’s called secession having lost our ‘independence’ from 1973 when Heath and his successors were allowed to give it away.It’s a place where many others have been before having to decide loyalty to state or union. 
youtube.com/watch?v=8XtNTJhyEYo
On that note don’t underestimate the fact that to a Federalist it’s the Union that is their country and they’re no less patriotic in that ideal however misplaced that patriotism is.In this case the country itself having been hopelessly lost to that division.
As for our ‘independence’ don’t you think that by now the Queen and her forces would have made it clear to the EU and people like Heath,Thatcher,Major,Blair and even May that if push comes to shove then her forces are ready willing and able to go against the EU and all those who bear allegiance to it in defending state over union.IE it’s time to think the unthinkable in that the Queen and her forces are on the side of the EU.Which realistically makes your reference to your allegiance to the Queen and advancing into hostile territory moot.If/when push comes to shove I think we should be under no illusions which side the Queen and her forces are on.While if that wasn’t the case do you really think that the EU and its quislings within the so called Brit parliament would have been allowed to take us this far into the EU Federal mire and having been allowed to brainwash generations of Brits into bearing more allegiance to the EU flag than our own.
Franglais:
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Glad to hear it’s not you.
Wouldn’t like to imagine anyone as angry as that having a set of truck keys.I don’t think they should be let loose with a tricycle either.
They’d be OK with a bicycle: being that unbalanced they’d not get past the hospital gates!Sent from my SM-G361F using Tapatalk
Just for the record I am a chilled out sort of guy, both in and out of the truck 
I will look at the site you mentioned in your other post later. Its now past my bedtime
Some advice for investors in the event of a no-deal Brexit from the Business section of The Times"
If you have shares in any of the following…sell them for they are doomed
financial services, carmakers, retailers, airlines, multinational engineering and aerospace groups that need to source parts from the EU, healthcare and leisure companies, international hauliers and ship operators — in fact, any business with an international supply chain and a big export base inside the bloc.
Buy shares in companies selling booze and ■■■■.
This gives you an idea of hard brexit life in the UK…no worthwhile work…just sit around drinking and smoking until you die…
Soclialism in this country is at loggerheads with PAYE taxpayers who have to pay for all the Socialist’s free stuff.
Once upon a time, we ALL used to benefit from any socialist aspects to any UK government, E.g. Equal treatment if you needed say, an operation at the NHS. Equal access to the “Free at the point of sale” part.
BUT…
Today, the entire NHS is infested with Foreigners, Socialists, and/or people who won’t and can’t pay anything towards their treatment.
It is hardly any wonder that the NHS always seems to “burn” whatever money any government happens to throw at it.
The more we pour in - the more money will end up being wasted by “bad practices” more than anything else.
Buying overpriced drugs from Foreign firms - doesn’t help, either.
And now we have Hammond threatening to raise taxes massively to “fund the NHS”. It WON’T solve the problem - but it WILL push hard-working PAYE taxpayers who cannot hire an accountant to “get out of paying those taxes” like the Wealthy can do, nor “drop out of taxation” because one is on the minimum wage neither.
So… The entire PAYE working population of Britain I suggest - are the main group that voted for Brexit.
If we don’t get it now - then what? A Taxpayer’s “Strike”? People going to jail because like the poor of Nottingham Forest - they cannot pay the Sheriff’s new taxes?
It is essential that this Autumn’s Queen’s Speech contains the FULL detail of “What we are going to do by March 31st 2019”. If such detail is scant, or totally MISSING - then woe betide this government. I suggest there WILL be a backbench revolt at Hammond’s pending “tax rises” budget he’s already threatened. He’s hoping that Brexiteers will go “Oh well never mind. We really wanted Brexit, but we don’t want taxes to rise because our government still refuses point-blank to get it done. The Tories think we’ll keep on voting for them, like people vote for Merkel in Germany because the alternative is Corbyn as Prime Minister”. …alas. There is one major mis-understanding about all of this. PAYE taxpayers that voted Leave are NOT “Left” nor “Right” nor “Center”. They are just fed up to the back teeth of “not getting what they pay their unavoidable taxes for”. Any attempt to raise those taxes still further - will make a Corbyn Government a “breath of fresh air” by comparison, forgetting that Corbyn has already promised to raise taxes so the “working can pay a little more” towards the NHS.
…Lastely, there is the fact that if you have ANY money at all, and you are a home-grown Brit - YOU go to the BACK of the queue for fancy NHS treatments or you are expected to “Go private” to get it done in a reasonable timespan. Not good!
Higher taxes won’t save the NHS. Staying in the EU won’t save the NHS. “Getting Ill with no savings” - will probably get you KILLED by the NHS…!
We don’t just need to “take back control” of Government, Judiciary, Finances, etc. We also MUST take back control of our once great NHS from those who would use it as a blunt instrument to bring the PAYE taxpaying population of Britain - to utter attrition.
Otherwise “healthy” people are now more likely to die in an NHS hospital from a “minor ailment that led to complications” than any other reason, including RTAs, Cancer, Substance Abuse, and even Street Crime COMBINED.
Don’t let the all-covering aspect of “Brexit News” block your view of the rather more sinister goings-on in this country now.
The other great scaldal brewing - is those retiring in the middle of the next decade - will suddenly find that the big pension pot they thought they were about to draw upon - is a LOT lower than they were led to believe! No one will end up in Jail, but the Pensioner will be forced by government Edict to “take a haircut” or lose the lot if they stamp their feet over it.
The Finance Industry needs to be reined in, and regulated. The “Brexit Transition Period” we are ALREADY IN should have been a golden opportunity to do just that. But guess what? ZIPPO to date! Nothing has been done to avert the next financial crash, other than keep people’s whims supressed by using Interest Rates as a blunt instrument should Workers look like getting the “Greedy” payrises that are <shock horror!> ABOVE the rate of inflation…!
It’s Brexit - or it is Civil War within a decade. I wonder what this country’s pain threshhold from Austerity is like, which would give us a better clue as to “how much more of this Anti-Britain machinations can we take”■■?
GasGas:
Some advice for investors in the event of a no-deal Brexit from the Business section of The Times"If you have shares in any of the following…sell them for they are doomed
financial services, carmakers, retailers, airlines, multinational engineering and aerospace groups that need to source parts from the EU, healthcare and leisure companies, international hauliers and ship operators — in fact, any business with an international supply chain and a big export base inside the bloc.
Buy shares in companies selling booze and ■■■■.
This gives you an idea of hard brexit life in the UK…no worthwhile work…just sit around drinking and smoking until you die…
Here’s a clue we don’t have a big export base within the EU.What we do have is a massive trade deficit with it which we have to fill with borrowed cash.Resulting in austerity to pay off the loans.On that note you do know that,like that trade deficit in general, ‘sourcing parts’ from the EU actually fits the definition of large import base certainly not a large export base.No surprise the traitors in our midst would want to deliberately confuse that large import base with a non existent export base by comparison.Let alone the contradiction in switching between a so called bs dependence on EU imports to keep the country afloat v the EU also hitting our exports as it suits you.When we actually need to get rid of that trade deficit not keep on adding to it if we want to survive.So a trade war great bring it on.
As for worthwhile work.You mean like working at Mc Donalds or some other meaningful zero hours contract job paying minimum wage.Or a few ‘manufacturing’ jobs based on the assembly of all those EU manufactured ‘parts’.Not much scope there for booze and ■■■ sales out of all that which is probably why so many pubs are closing down.As for what’s left of our international haulage fleet.It’s so much better for that to be decimated by East Euro third country operations taking advantage of the race to the bottom single transport market.
As for he article I’d guess that’s more a case of what’s going to happen to the EU economy when we cease paying to keep it afloat whether in the form of Brit jobs and benefits for EU workers or our net contribution to the corrupt EU budget fixers.
How do you make the connection between the NHS and Brexit?
We had the NHS before we joined the EU, and we’ll presumably have it afterwards.
The whole model for the funding of the NHS has been flawed since its foundation in the 1940s. It was believed that the lack of provision of healthcare free at the point of use was responsible for the il-health of the British working classes. The NHS would ‘cure’ this ill-health in a few years and then the demand for its services and hence its cost, would gradually taper off.
In fact, the NHS allowed people to live longer and survive repeated bouts of ill-health: so it cost more and more to treat each patient every year. Many of those longer living patients were too old to work, or would never make a return to the tax-paying workforce. So an ever smaller percentage of the population had to fund care for an ever larger percentage of the population.
Yet more expensive treatments are being devised for diseases that once were fatal. Cancer, one example. Sustaining the lives of premature and badly damaged babies for another.
Then you’ve got a whole load of new treatments for what might better be described as ‘disorders’: gastric bands for greedy fat people, and even (shockingly) ■■■-change treatments for pre-pubescent children. Both are now demanded as a ‘right’.
It all has to be paid for. However much money you gave the NHS, it would never be enough.
Old age pensions are another example. When the state pension came in, it was for 65-year-old men. The average life expectancy of a working class male, who had probably started work in his early teens, was 65 years old. That wasn’t a coincidence!
Pretty much everyone now wants more and more from the state. But they expect to work for shorter proportions of their lives, and pay less tax. The problem with that is self-evident and nothing to do with the European Union.
GasGas:
How do you make the connection between the NHS and Brexit?We had the NHS before we joined the EU, and we’ll presumably have it afterwards.
The whole model for the funding of the NHS has been flawed since its foundation in the 1940s. It was believed that the lack of provision of healthcare free at the point of use was responsible for the il-health of the British working classes. The NHS would ‘cure’ this ill-health in a few years and then the demand for its services and hence its cost, would gradually taper off.
In fact, the NHS allowed people to live longer and survive repeated bouts of ill-health: so it cost more and more to treat each patient every year. Many of those longer living patients were too old to work, or would never make a return to the tax-paying workforce. So an ever smaller percentage of the population had to fund care for an ever larger percentage of the population.
Yet more expensive treatments are being devised for diseases that once were fatal. Cancer, one example. Sustaining the lives of premature and badly damaged babies for another.
Then you’ve got a whole load of new treatments for what might better be described as ‘disorders’: gastric bands for greedy fat people, and even (shockingly) ■■■-change treatments for pre-pubescent children. Both are now demanded as a ‘right’.
It all has to be paid for. However much money you gave the NHS, it would never be enough.
Old age pensions are another example. When the state pension came in, it was for 65-year-old men. The average life expectancy of a working class male, who had probably started work in his early teens, was 65 years old. That wasn’t a coincidence!
Pretty much everyone now wants more and more from the state. But they expect to work for shorter proportions of their lives, and pay less tax. The problem with that is self-evident and nothing to do with the European Union.
Great if that doesn’t bring the stupid brainwashed Labour remain vote to it’s senses,in showing the true colours of the typical heartless backstabbing Tory rabble that took us into the zb EU and want us to stay in it,nothing will. 
So your idea of a modern advanced economy is to ■■■■■ health care spending in whatever form and let those who could be saved die and make everyone work until they drop dead on the job with a retirement age based on their full life expectancy.All so we can provide more profits for the employers and pay the zb EU even more and let them take even more Brit jobs.Labour voters voting remain for their so called working class rights you couldn’t make it up and makes no more sense than people like Callaghan and Jenkins joining with Thatcher in the yes to Europe campaign in 1975. 
GasGas:
How do you make the connection between the NHS and Brexit?We had the NHS before we joined the EU, and we’ll presumably have it afterwards.
The NHS has been filled with Foreigners, Lefties, and shirkers who are still resisting it being a proper 24/7 service. There is far too much money wasted in inefficiencies, red tape, out of date systems, malpractice lawsuits, unnecessary operations, fasttrack treatments for those who’ve never paid in, and of course the “politicians” that now run the show instead of actual Doctors & Nurses, let alone Matron.The whole model for the funding of the NHS has been flawed since its foundation in the 1940s. It was believed that the lack of provision of healthcare free at the point of use was responsible for the il-health of the British working classes. The NHS would ‘cure’ this ill-health in a few years and then the demand for its services and hence its cost, would gradually taper off.
In fact, the NHS allowed people to live longer and survive repeated bouts of ill-health: so it cost more and more to treat each patient every year. Many of those longer living patients were too old to work, or would never make a return to the tax-paying workforce. So an ever smaller percentage of the population had to fund care for an ever larger percentage of the population.
Yet more expensive treatments are being devised for diseases that once were fatal. Cancer, one example. Sustaining the lives of premature and badly damaged babies for another.
Then you’ve got a whole load of new treatments for what might better be described as ‘disorders’: gastric bands for greedy fat people, and even (shockingly) ■■■-change treatments for pre-pubescent children. Both are now demanded as a ‘right’.
It all has to be paid for. However much money you gave the NHS, it would never be enough.
Old age pensions are another example. When the state pension came in, it was for 65-year-old men. The average life expectancy of a working class male, who had probably started work in his early teens, was 65 years old. That wasn’t a coincidence!
Pretty much everyone now wants more and more from the state. But they expect to work for shorter proportions of their lives, and pay less tax. The problem with that is self-evident and nothing to do with the European Union.
National Insurance Contributions - needs to be a “non-maskable tax”. That is, you cannot pretend your pay is “minimum wage” to get your NICs down, but then offset everything and anything so you hardly pay any deductions on massive Self-employed wages. If everyone is likely to USE the NHS, or Draw a State Pension - then it is only right and proper for us all to pay into that - NO “getting out of paying” because you’re on a low income. Benefits are already taxable - so deduct NICs as WELL I suggest…
the maoster:
I said before that I’m not really political. I am however extremely patriotic, patriotic enough to have taken the Queens shilling and gladly borne arms as I advanced on a hostile enemy. The post above ^^^^ almost had me whistling Land of Hope & Glory as I read it. It made me realise one thing; we have been calling it Brexit when in reality we should have been calling it INDEPENDENCE.
Couldn’t agree more, a superb article.
I am a little bit political (would be called far right because i’m not a socialist), but yes a confirmed patriot who is sick to the back teeth of traitors (elected by too many brainwashed and bought fools of the electorate) systematically destroying our once fine country from within, together with the other unelected unaccountable fifth columnists they brought and still bring in to ‘advise’, May’s current remain mandarin a perfect example just like Bliar’s henchman/string puller, awarded powers never before known in our modern history.
The irony is strong here, for years we’ve been told the enemy is Russia, when all along it was the EU (so Germany again by another name), whilst Russia and much of Eastern Europe now the only active regional defenders against this evil empire and it’s desire to finally utterly destroy the western continent.
GasGas:
the maoster:
If I’m ever placed in a situation I’m not happy with I simply remove myself from said situation. I’d be quite happy to see the remainders remove themselves from a situation that they’re obviously so distressed about, something like all the Americans who upped sticks and left the USA as they threatened when Trump was elected. Oh, hang on a minute…Do a bit of research and find out what arrangements Nigel Farage has made for his children and their passports post-Brexit.
(Hint…they will be taking advantage of their mother’s nationality, and she’s not British!)
Closer to home, I know a few Protestants in Northern Ireland: to a man and woman they all now have Irish EU passports post Brexit.
Also look at where the Rees-Mogg investment fund is putting its money: clue; not in the UK.
And the Brexit vote was NOT a vote to leave the single market. The official Leave campaign made this very clear before the vote.
Farage has split up from his family, so he’d be making arrangements that we would normally call “Part of a divorce settlement”. That would have the family likely leaving the UK, I would have thought. “Clean Break Settlement”, akin to “Hard Brexit”. There’s nothing to see here. Jog on.
Rees-Mogg’s private life, private investments, or private thoughts - don’t mean anything, as he is not in government.
I realize the Left fear Mogg becoming PM, but it is far more likely that he’ll become a cabinet minister in a Boris Johnson led government - IF he actually stays in the Conservative Party!
We didn’t vote to leave the single market. That is a punishment that the EU threatened us with if we voted Leave. If we could stay in all the stuff without having to pay a contribution to Brussels any longer - then that would have been a satisfactory Brexit for people like me - but the EU didn’t let, and will NEVER let such a “freeloader Britain” Brexit happen. If you do not have the power to destroy your own thing, - then it ISN’T your own thing, and you’ll never have any real control over it as a result. The EU says “you cannot leave, or you’ll not be able to stay in the single market”. It is a pushishment stick. We MUST ditch the single market access then - or we’ll be going “Oh well never mind. We asked. They said no. We gave up” which is pretty much how our government has acted throughout in any case.
I’m a British Protestant married to an Irish Catholic - and we both voted Leave. The missus even has “Republican” leanings, but she has no interest in Sinn Fein, because they are just a bunch of terrorists. I do not support the paramilitary loyalists either btw.
Winseer:
We didn’t vote to leave the single market. That is a punishment that the EU threatened us with if we voted Leave. If we could stay in all the stuff without having to pay a contribution to Brussels any longer - then that would have been a satisfactory Brexit for people like me - but the EU didn’t let, and will NEVER let such a “freeloader Britain” Brexit happen.
So some people who did vote leave, don`t wish to leave the customs zone in your opinion?
And you find it somehow shocking that the EU is unhappy about any form of Brexit that has the UK getting all benefits of membership, without any responsibilities or costs?
Winseer:
Rees-Mogg’s private life, private investments, or private thoughts - don’t mean anything, as he is not in government.
Except of course that he talks extensively on the subject of Brexit, and tries to influence the Gov doesnt he? If he kept his thoughts private, we wouldnt be interested in him, would we? Surely any MP who has a vote is subject to public scrutiny, especially one who is vocal on any particular subject. And if his “private investments” are affected by his actions as an MP, then even more cause to look, surely?
Im not making comment on his finances at all, Im saying that they are of legitimate interest, as are the finances of ALL MPs.
Franglais:
Winseer:
We didn’t vote to leave the single market. That is a punishment that the EU threatened us with if we voted Leave. If we could stay in all the stuff without having to pay a contribution to Brussels any longer - then that would have been a satisfactory Brexit for people like me - but the EU didn’t let, and will NEVER let such a “freeloader Britain” Brexit happen.So some people who did vote leave, don`t wish to leave the customs zone in your opinion?
And you find it somehow shocking that the EU is unhappy about any form of Brexit that has the UK getting all benefits of membership, without any responsibilities or costs?Winseer:
Rees-Mogg’s private life, private investments, or private thoughts - don’t mean anything, as he is not in government.Except of course that he talks extensively on the subject of Brexit, and tries to influence the Gov doesn
t he? If he kept his thoughts private, we wouldnt be interested in him, would we? Surely any MP who has a vote is subject to public scrutiny, especially one who is vocal on any particular subject. And if his “private investments” are affected by his actions as an MP, then even more cause to look, surely?
Im not making comment on his finances at all, Im saying that they are of legitimate interest, as are the finances of ALL MPs.
How could we not have voted to leave the single market.When that obviously by definition includes the single labour market and allowing the EU Federal government to decide every part of our trade policy both foreign and domestic.Fixing all of which certainly was a part of the Leave manifesto and what’s so good about a trading relationship,which places us in such a catastrophic trade deficit situation to the tune of 50 billion Euro with Germany alone,anyway.On that note no it’s the EU which wants to apply the blackmail of sovereignty for trade.Before we even get to the issue of that trade itself being nothing but a liability to us to add to the contributions bill.Either Winseer didn’t read the Leave manifesto.Or he’s happy to go on with being blackmailed in that regard just as Thatcher was regarding her token bs contributions haircut which still left us no better off.In which case what would Brexit have achieved if we just cut the contributions bill but still remain stuck with the EU deciding and dictating our immigration,trade and economic policies for just three examples.
IE we voted for the full return of sovereignty not just an EU contributions cut and neither of which were ever going to be on the table from the point of view of the EU.In which case it’s anyone’s guess what type of Brexit Winseer is talking about.It certainly isn’t the one which was described in the Leave information leaflets. 
As for Rees Mogg the fact is like all the other Con ‘Leave’ MP’s he was happy to join and serve to date in an ideologically Federalist Party the same Party which took us into the EU and which banished Powell.While confirming his loyalty to remainer May at every stage.In which case that’s as far as he/they can be trusted and judged.
I was talking about his investment company…which invests the money of others.
But regarding his personal finances, and those of other leading Brexiteers…could this be why they are in such a hurry?
GasGas:
I was talking about his investment company…which invests the money of others.But regarding his personal finances, and those of other leading Brexiteers…could this be why they are in such a hurry?
Oh wait. 
Stop worrying about Mogg and Johnson. They are in the current ruling party, and the problems continue, and abound.
If the Tories lose power at the next election - then it will be because Brexit was NOT completed during their watch.
Which Tory seats would be lost in such an election?
It is all to easy to suggest people like Anna Soubry for the chop - but why can’t say Mogg lose his seat “For not stepping up when he could” or Boris lose his seat "because John McDonnell organized a massive campaign against his constituent neighbour, building on Boris losing HALF his majority at the 2017 election…
The people to watch from here on - are those candidates who came second in the ballot last year - and are aiming to re-stand as candidate at the NEXT election.
What things will they be getting upto in the meantime?
Keep an eye on them.
UKIP’s biggest weakness is that they are denied “column inches”. The Mainstream’s biggest weakness is that the whole country looks upon them, as they give MASSIVE amounts of publicity - only for them to bloody well just disappear off the face of the earth for the five years or whatever between elections!
A good example of this is Consevative MP Tracey Crouch. Gets re-elected in 2017, and I haven’t seen her since - even on the Media!
In the past, she’s “gone to have another baby” or “buggered off to Brazil to cover the Olympics” or even stated “Nothing wrong with our abundance of Grammar Schools here - move along”.
I suggest it will be people like this of ALL parties - that get to lose their seats at the next election.
Oh yes, - She is “non-commital” on Brexit as well. Didn’t even reveal which way she voted, but I’m guessing she’s a closet remainer. “Doesn’t want the stick online” though.
I’ve long thought the unthinkable appropos that rancid bunch of Guelph descended parasites from Buck pal,the cow should have excercised a ‘royal’ perogative at the Heath sell out stage circa 1970s.She should be hanged for betrayal.
The idea that Lizzy Windsor,ceo of the Saxa Coburg Gotha corporation is somehow removed from the satanic EU construct is beyond farcical.Theyre major players ffs,especially at the masonic level and anyone remotely proud of bearing arms for this outfit are beneath contempt.Whats that quote…Democracy,2 wolves and a sheep voting what to have for dinner.Twas ever thus.
Carryfast:
Franglais:
Winseer:
We didn’t vote to leave the single market. That is a punishment that the EU threatened us with if we voted Leave. If we could stay in all the stuff without having to pay a contribution to Brussels any longer - then that would have been a satisfactory Brexit for people like me - but the EU didn’t let, and will NEVER let such a “freeloader Britain” Brexit happen.So some people who did vote leave, don`t wish to leave the customs zone in your opinion?
And you find it somehow shocking that the EU is unhappy about any form of Brexit that has the UK getting all benefits of membership, without any responsibilities or costs?Winseer:
Rees-Mogg’s private life, private investments, or private thoughts - don’t mean anything, as he is not in government.Except of course that he talks extensively on the subject of Brexit, and tries to influence the Gov doesn
t he? If he kept his thoughts private, we wouldnt be interested in him, would we? Surely any MP who has a vote is subject to public scrutiny, especially one who is vocal on any particular subject. And if his “private investments” are affected by his actions as an MP, then even more cause to look, surely?
Im not making comment on his finances at all, Im saying that they are of legitimate interest, as are the finances of ALL MPs.How could we not have voted to leave the single market.When that obviously by definition includes the single labour market and allowing the EU Federal government to decide every part of our trade policy both foreign and domestic.Fixing all of which certainly was a part of the Leave manifesto and what’s so good about a trading relationship,which places us in such a catastrophic trade deficit situation to the tune of 50 billion Euro with Germany alone,anyway.On that note no it’s the EU which wants to apply the blackmail of sovereignty for trade.Before we even get to the issue of that trade itself being nothing but a liability to us to add to the contributions bill.Either Winseer didn’t read the Leave manifesto.Or he’s happy to go on with being blackmailed in that regard just as Thatcher was regarding her token bs contributions haircut which still left us no better off.In which case what would Brexit have achieved if we just cut the contributions bill but still remain stuck with the EU deciding and dictating our immigration,trade and economic policies for just three examples.
IE we voted for the full return of sovereignty not just an EU contributions cut and neither of which were ever going to be on the table from the point of view of the EU.In which case it’s anyone’s guess what type of Brexit Winseer is talking about.It certainly isn’t the one which was described in the Leave information leaflets.
As for Rees Mogg the fact is like all the other Con ‘Leave’ MP’s he was happy to join and serve to date in an ideologically Federalist Party the same Party which took us into the EU and which banished Powell.While confirming his loyalty to remainer May at every stage.In which case that’s as far as he/they can be trusted and judged.
Rees Moggs dad William was, alongside many others,a bought and paid for mouthpiece,and director of NM Rothschilds bank,his pathetic Edwardian throwback spawn i would imagine is troughing from the same sources.Lets not lose sight of the real movers and shakers in this game.
GasGas:
I was talking about his investment company…which invests the money of others.But regarding his personal finances, and those of other leading Brexiteers…could this be why they are in such a hurry?
Not so long ago in a small country not that far away.
manalishi:
anyone remotely proud of bearing arms for this outfit are beneath contempt.
I’ll tell you what is beneath contempt; the supercilious, sneering craven cowards that seek to denigrate and devalue the bravery and sacrifice demonstrated by generations of men and women who were proud to accept their country’s calling and bear arms so that the chattering classes and cowards such as yourself have today the luxury to sneer at men and women who’s boots you are not fit to lace. The irony of their sacrifice meaning that you are able to snipe from your lofty position is totally lost on you and your ilk.
Remotely proud? I’m more than remotely proud to have borne arms for this land even if one of the more distasteful cosequences is that you and your type flourish.