Get your £5K grant & start saving for your heat pump before the government gas boiler tax kicks in due to the ‘Net Zero Carbon Emissions’ policy. It will put around an extra £170/annum on the already expensive gas bill. 
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lancpudn:
Get your £5K grant & start saving for your heat pump before the government gas boiler tax kicks in due to the ‘Net Zero Carbon Emissions’ policy. It will put around an extra £170/annum on the already expensive gas bill.
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Another example (like battery powered vehicles) of replacing working tech with tech that doesn’t work as well. Apparently homes will need more insulation to work effectively with heat pumps. Yes, because heat pumps are nowhere near as capable as gas boilers. But cost a fortune to buy and run…
Makes you wonder where all this “renewable” electricity for cars and heat pumps - plus the demands of businesses and industry is going to come from. My guess is they have a contract lined up with Cloud Cuckoo Land for it all.
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Truckulent:
lancpudn:
Get your £5K grant & start saving for your heat pump before the government gas boiler tax kicks in due to the ‘Net Zero Carbon Emissions’ policy. It will put around an extra £170/annum on the already expensive gas bill.
thenational.scot/news/natio … ent-plans/Another example (like battery powered vehicles) of replacing working tech with tech that doesn’t work as well. Apparently homes will need more insulation to work effectively with heat pumps. Yes, because heat pumps are nowhere near as capable as gas boilers. But cost a fortune to buy and run…
Makes you wonder where all this “renewable” electricity for cars and heat pumps - plus the demands of businesses and industry is going to come from. My guess is they have a contract lined up with Cloud Cuckoo Land for it all.
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Anything with a fossil fuel emission is going to take a big carbon tax hit in the coming years, Since buildings were included in the ETS (emission trading system) they now have a ‘Carbon Pricing’ tax if they’re heated/cooled by fossil fuel’s supplied by your energy provider.
lancpudn:
Truckulent:
lancpudn:
Get your £5K grant & start saving for your heat pump before the government gas boiler tax kicks in due to the ‘Net Zero Carbon Emissions’ policy. It will put around an extra £170/annum on the already expensive gas bill.
thenational.scot/news/natio … ent-plans/Another example (like battery powered vehicles) of replacing working tech with tech that doesn’t work as well. Apparently homes will need more insulation to work effectively with heat pumps. Yes, because heat pumps are nowhere near as capable as gas boilers. But cost a fortune to buy and run…
Makes you wonder where all this “renewable” electricity for cars and heat pumps - plus the demands of businesses and industry is going to come from. My guess is they have a contract lined up with Cloud Cuckoo Land for it all.
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Anything with a fossil fuel emission is going to take a big carbon tax hit in the coming years, Since buildings were included in the ETS (emission trading system) they now have a ‘Carbon Pricing’ tax if they’re heated/cooled by fossil fuel’s supplied by your energy provider.
Yep… Excuse to tax us…
And when everyone has heat pumps and EVs it will be a case of “ooh… they’re more polluting than we thought.” And bang… Tax will go up.
Take EVs. Atm fairly cheap to run, though not to buy. But when the demand for electric goes through the roof, so will the price. And generating all that electric via wind, water power and solar power seems unlikely to be enough to meet the need, certainly for the foreseeable. It will be interesting watching yet another government disaster unfold…
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Truckulent:
lancpudn:
Truckulent:
lancpudn:
Get your £5K grant & start saving for your heat pump before the government gas boiler tax kicks in due to the ‘Net Zero Carbon Emissions’ policy. It will put around an extra £170/annum on the already expensive gas bill.
thenational.scot/news/natio … ent-plans/Another example (like battery powered vehicles) of replacing working tech with tech that doesn’t work as well. Apparently homes will need more insulation to work effectively with heat pumps. Yes, because heat pumps are nowhere near as capable as gas boilers. But cost a fortune to buy and run…
Makes you wonder where all this “renewable” electricity for cars and heat pumps - plus the demands of businesses and industry is going to come from. My guess is they have a contract lined up with Cloud Cuckoo Land for it all.
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Anything with a fossil fuel emission is going to take a big carbon tax hit in the coming years, Since buildings were included in the ETS (emission trading system) they now have a ‘Carbon Pricing’ tax if they’re heated/cooled by fossil fuel’s supplied by your energy provider.
Yep… Excuse to tax us…
And when everyone has heat pumps and EVs it will be a case of “ooh… they’re more polluting than we thought.” And bang… Tax will go up.
Take EVs. Atm fairly cheap to run, though not to buy. But when the demand for electric goes through the roof, so will the price. And generating all that electric via wind, water power and solar power seems unlikely to be enough to meet the need, certainly for the foreseeable. It will be interesting watching yet another government disaster unfold…
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You’re right electricity is going to get more expensive, More & more countries especially the south eastern Asia countries who are signed up to this Paris Accord/Net Zero policy are shuttering coal fired power stations and changing them to gas fired for the interim period which means a big price hike in the gas markets due to supply & demand, I cant see the price of gas coming down any time soon.
5k doesn’t get close to the total installation costs of a heat pump system.
While when it’s fitted it’s based on the laughable lie that you can get more energy out than you put in.
Might as well fit an electric boiler at least it will actually heat the place for the money.
Or a solid fuel boiler and look for ways of dodging any ‘carbon’ taxes.Obviously none on biomass wood chip which is what the electric captive market scammers are burning anyway.
Gas will only get significantly more expensive because of the carbon tax levies, of which you’ve sated yourself.
All that so that the exempt ‘developing’ south east asian countries can burn it all instead.
Until the first and last major nuclear disaster then the ‘climate’ scammers and their useful idiots will all be running away shouting wasn’t us that did it.
The whole scam is just based on massive increases in energy costs for consumers and profits for scammers creating a captive market for electric, without a corresponding increase in incomes to pay for it.
Yet more depressing news of the dystopian green nightmare ‘lifestyle’ we are having imposed where unless you are middle class upward and can afford to take the chance on the likes of heat pumps and EV’s which are not even an improvement on what they are supposedly replacing, it’s just not progress and we will be going backwards in this Country while the likes of China carry on regardless 
My humble abode is a 2 bedroom mid terrace which is well insulated with heating and hot water supplied by a 2 year old gas combi boiler, much more efficient than its predecessor and on a cold winters day the house heats up so quickly, from what I can gather if is was gullible enough to have a heat pump (can’t afford that anyway) my radiators wouldn’t be compatible so they would need replacing with ones the size of a barn door or all the floors would need coming up for the underfloor option, there is literally no room for the required hot water cylinder either and the heat these things produce is very modest compared to what I have now. I guess I will have to go cold if a Government carbon neutral Gestapo turns up to turn my gas off in the future
The good news is they are not going to force us to change until 2035 by which time i will let the care home manager worry about the home heating if i am not already pushing up daises. 
Bin Man:
The good news is they are not going to force us to change until 2035 by which time i will let the care home manager worry about the home heating if i am not already pushing up daises.
Blimey, I will be at retirement age by then but knowing my luck I will still be driving a lorry 
Heard on the radio that these new pumps are going to cost over £20000 so where are people going to get all this money from or is it now going back to cold houses and a tin bath filled with a kettle
mac12:
Heard on the radio that these new pumps are going to cost over £20000 so where are people going to get all this money from or is it now going back to cold houses and a tin bath filled with a kettle
Take the grant and use it for an electric boiler and preferably also buy a solid fuel boiler to go with it.
Anything would probably work out cheaper than the heat pump scam in the long term.
The idea of more energy out than energy in and heating water to 55 degrees C from freezing cold air is as believable as CO2 is cooking the planet at 0.04% of the atmosphere if it’s even a greenhouse gas at all.
As it stands they’ve just doubled the price of my gas from 3p per kwh to 6p per kwh but electric has also gone from 16p per kwh to 26p per kwh.
A cold house will just create condensation which can cause loads of uninsured damage and loss of value to the place.
The same applies in the case of filling cavity walls and removing ventilation in lofts.
Bin Man:
The good news is they are not going to force us to change until 2035 by which time i will let the care home manager worry about the home heating if i am not already pushing up daises.
But they are going to ‘equalise’ gas prices with electric before 2035 to create the ‘incentive’.
While turning the place into a treeless nuked dustbowl for the privilege.
Might as well get a wood chip boiler and cut out the biomass power station scammer middle men.
If they ban wood chip boilers while burning biomass in power stations that’ll prove it’s a big electric captive market scam.
Anybody have experience of using an electric water heater instead of gas?
Janos:
Anybody have experience of using an electric water heater instead of gas?
Indirect hot water cylinders usually have an electric immersion heater, for hot water not heating, in the system for if the gas boiler is off line for whatever reason.Try it and see what that alone does to the fuel bill let alone if it included heating.
A gas boiler runs at around 20 kwh + for hot water and heating.
Electric is 26p per kwh as opposed to 6p per kwh for gas …so far, with Bozo having just ramped up gas prices by double from 3p per kwh obviously on the way to artificial equalisation.Unless he’s trying to say that ‘wholesale prices’ for gas supposedly doubled within one month.
So call it £5.20 per hour for electric v £1.20 per hour for gas.
Don’t you think it was odd that the media scare tactics about fuel shortage, and now gas prices are going through the roof.
It’s all a con to get you thinking to change to Ev and heat pumps.
Basically to fast track it much quicker as such.
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rearaxle:
Don’t you think it was odd that the media scare tactics about fuel shortage, and now gas prices are going through the roof.It’s all a con to get you thinking to change to Ev and heat pumps.
Basically to fast track it much quicker as such.
It’s definitely a con and it starts from government level.
But the maths still say that air at 0 degrees C can’t heat water to 55 degrees C or a house to to 20 degrees C at the rate of 1 kwh of energy in for 2 or 3 kwh out.
Also 26p per kwh let alone + road fuel duty and VAT at 20% is unaffordable even without the cost of the inevitable nuclear disaster.
Janos:
Anybody have experience of using an electric water heater instead of gas?
Boy up the road put in electric for heat and water replacing an old gas boiler. 2 years later changed back taking the hit as it was that expensive.
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Forget the heat humps for now, a petrol car that did 400 miles on a tankful of unleaded is now doing 250 miles on E10
Wheel Nut:
Forget the heat humps for now, a petrol car that did 400 miles on a tankful of unleaded is now doing 250 miles on E10
A lot of modern cars have knock sensors attached to the ECU which ■■■■■■ the ignition timing when they detect any detonation which will obviously be a lot when running something designed for 97 octane minimum on 95 octane.
Combined with the lower energy content of the fuel.
Which leaves the question why would increasing the amount of ethanol, which has a higher octane rating than petrol, reduce the octane rating.
It’s obviously just a rip off of very poor quality, probably 92 octane or less, petrol with more ethanol put in it, to lift the octane rating enough to make the stuff half useable.
Then they charge more for it and the government gets more tax revenue while exporting our higher quality Brent crude base.
All moot if/when Boris has forced unviable EV’s on us at 26p per kwh + road fuel taxes.