PAUL GEE's PHOTO COLLECTION (Part 1)

[deanb]

E.G.Hoare DAF

Anyone recognise the DAF ■■?

Elliotts MAN

Pitter Maggie. Did they have other depots apart from Southampton ■■

Anyone recognise the Mercedes Powerliner ■■

[deanb]

Album pics. Not taken by me.

LPG Volvo.

Atkinson of Evans Transport.

Heatons Bedford TM.

Richard Read ERF’s.

Millicans Foden.

Spittal Leyland or AEC ■■

ICI Seddon Atkinson 401.

BOCM Volvo.

BRS Eastern Bedford.

Joseph Hoyle Atkinson.

[ray_smyth]

Hi Dean, This Bedford TL 13 ton GVW is a lorry that I bought in the late 1980s.
It was new to Bass Charrington with a Linkliner body by Boalloy, but I had it
converted to a curtainsider, for when we did the Rank Hovis deliveries.
Perhaps some of my lorries may appear in your new supply of pictures.
Ray.

[tastrucker]

DEANB:

moomooland:

DEANB:
“moomooland” Paul i expect you have this pic.
W.J.Riding Seddon Atkinson.

8 Cheers Dean thanks for that, like you say i already have this picture on the Riding’s site.

7Seddon Atkinson 400 Series 4x2 tractor unit Reg No FFV 680S Fleet No 91 ‘Western Star’ was registered new on the 1st of March 1978 at a cost of £18,613 and 63p.

Powered by a Gardner 240 eight cylinder engine in line with a Fuller 9509 gearbox and Eaton 19320 rear axle it was driven from new by Jack Kelly.

Pictured above parked up on the M62 Hartshead Moor service area It is coupled up to one of Riding’s trademark 1450 cubic foot Crane Fruehauf tandem axle powder tankers carrying Corvic plastic granules for ICI.

After being in the fleet for eight years FFV 680S was scrapped and the Gardner 240 engine was removed and sold on to local dealer Syd Hartley for £1,700.

I thought you would have it Paul ! Its unbelievable that Tom kept all the data of how much he paid/dates when he
bought and sold trucks. Impressive.

Lonewolf Yorks:
“kmills”
Gary Charlwood was based in Sandwich. He ran a handful of trucks from the 1970’s, doing mostly traction work from Dover & Ramsgate. Eventually, in the late 90’s / early 2000’s he was in a spot of bother with the ‘Ministry’. By then the majority of his work was with Eric Mattheeuws from Veurne, Belgium, so Charlwood became Mattheeuws Uk, based in Dover.

I also remember Gary, I worked out of Sandwich (Stonar) for a while for a colleague of his, Paul Coomber. About 30 years ago. I know he became (or was bought out by) Matheeuws but that was after my time down there.

Thanks for the input “Lonewolf Yorks”

smallcoal:
Hi dean,cracking pics of Owens you Paul and mark never disappoint hers some more courtesy of Ron and Chris,and bubblepics,the Volvo globetrotter was driven by my best mate Duncan,as you can see he never stuck to one make of truck

Thanks John for the comments,you dont do bad yourself chap with all the great pics you post !

The pic of the Iveco reminded me of T.D.Williams they seemed to have loads of those Ivecos back in the late 80’s early 90’s.

tastrucker:
Still miss seeing Cadwalladers motors on the road. Posted a couple of articles about them on page 146.

Hello DEAN ,good to to see the Caddies FL ,can we expect more from them,in your new collection ,thank you Trevor

There will be a few Trevor

Heres an old ERF

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robthedog:
Anyone recognise the colour scheme on the Volvo F10 ■■ Seen here passing Poole hospital.

The F10 looks like it could have been one of Barrios or Romac even RJ Matthews definatly a Kent motor I would say

Thanks for those names “robthedog”

Buzzer:
Anyone recognise the colour scheme on the Volvo F10 ■■ Seen here passing Poole hospital.

Looks like the trailer has a mid mounted crane of sorts, could be an early J.F.Pearce truck, Buzzer

Well spotted chap missed that ! You can see the leg that drops down infront of the first trailer axle for stability.

nilocekyd:
a couple more photos, including one from Paul, of VHO 106R

regards
Colin

Good stuff Colin,looks like that 88 had a fair few owners in its life. You did well to tie them all up !

I wonder if the second pic is anything to do with the red F88. Different colours but both have the
white strip around the cab and the blue one was following the red one ?

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nilocekyd:
R.S.Hill & Sons Volvo F12. Anyone know where they are from ■■

I know Buzzer and Gazza have filled in some of the gaps with RS Hill. here is another one of theirs.

they also own several static home parks. This one is on Holbury near Fawley.

regards
Colin

Thanks again Colin,nice pics.

Stickman:
Nice to see local caravan park to me my dad drove for Hales Containers back in the day who had a landfill site just behind that park.

moomooland:
Founded in 1885 by John Bradshaw as an agricultural contractor from Gainsborough in Lincolnshire the company is still run by the Bradshaw family today.

One of Bradshaw’s Leyland Comets seen here in 1966 heading East on the A6 while approaching Ardwick Green roundabout in Manchester.

New in October 1981 this ERF ‘B’ Series Reg No YFW 609X must have been among one of the last batch
to be built as the ‘C’ Series was launched the following month.
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Good stuff Paul, cracking black and white pic chap ! Paul Gee has just sent me this newer one !

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Popped this on a while back.

Click on pages twice to read.

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hello DEAN .and thanks for the Caddies ERF ,now that unit overturned in Germany ,and was rebuilt to rhd ,thank you Trevor

[smallcoal]

Hi dean,tdw was mainly ivecos I had one they were supplied by fords Swansea they were a good truck I enjoyed driving it,here’s some courtesy of Ron the first one was mine,the driver in front of his is yan he had an accident abroad hence the damage

[robthedog]

Cant make the name out on the Scania ■■?

FACCENDA They were chicken slaughter’s from up Brackley way, i think they bought out Webbs from Lymington

Ontime Renault.

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On time brought out HSL Vehicle movements which is the transporter following

[robthedog]

robthedog:
Cant make the name out on the Scania ■■?

FACCENDA They were chicken slaughter’s from up Brackley way, i think they bought out Webbs from Lymington

Ontime Renault.

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On time brought out HSL Vehicle movements which is the transporter following

BETTER EDITING PAUL MOOMOOLAND !!!

[robthedog]

Pitter Maggie. Did they have other depots apart from Southampton ■■

I think Pitter only had the 1 depot at West End Southampton I’m sure JD will know

[buzzer]

robthedog:
Pitter Maggie. Did they have other depots apart from Southampton ■■

I think Pitter only had the 1 depot at West End Southampton I’m sure JD will know

You go careful we will get another rollicking in a moment, think Pitter’s had a 50% share in SRT in Andersons road with Meacher’s being the other party, Colin Dyke will probably know as he is good on transport history and we just as well have a triple hanging while we are at it eh, cheers Buzzer

[kingswinford_kit]

DEANB:

pete 359:
Hi all,
Thanks for more great welsh photos Dean.The sed Atki 400 is a similar colour scheme to Trevor Davies,though they were based at Llanwrda,Though Llangadog is very near there.Member EC14 is the man who,d know 100%.
Regards Andrew.

Thanks for the comments Andrew.

MANTRONIC:
The SeddAtk 400 ,is Trevor Davies from Llanwrda ,he had a couple of them . They hauled out of Albion concrete ,Llangadog ,some where i have a pic of their Spanish Dodge KEP 412P ,had a couple of DAFs before the Scanias ,would see him at Western Soft woods Newbridge .
Hey DEAN cant wait for stuff from the 80s !!! .MT

Thanks for confirming what Andrew said “MT”. I reckon you should dig those photos out chap !!!

Chris Webb:
Lester Brothers Octopus. Chris Webb do you know where they were from ■■

The only Lester brothers I remember were from Long Whatton near Loughborough,they ran buses way back but I’m not sure if they ever ran tankers.

Ok thanks Chris.

Chris Webb:
Bonsall Seddon Atkinson. Anyone know where they were from ■■

Hi Dean,George Bonsall was from Sheffield.

jawwa:
Dean. The Carman MAN photo was taken in Stratford Upon-Avon. Bridge Street.

Thanks for that chap.

Chris Webb:
“kmills”
Looks like one of John T Howard’s from Grimsby - though I could well be wrong of course
Cheers Keith

I think you are right Keith,it’s got the right “FU” Lincs Lindsey reg plate.

I agree with Chris i think you could be right Keith ! They definately run Mercedes.

ERF-NGC-European:

DEANB:
Some news chaps.

Paul is working his way through some very old negatives that Mark Bailey has kindly given him. They are about 40 years old and were never
developed. Unfortunately the quality of pic will not be as good as normal due to how old they are and obviously they have deteriorated a bit
over the last 40 years. However they are still very good to view in my opinion and as such Paul has edited them in colour so you can
see the colour schemes and black and white. I have always liked black and white as i think they are more nostalgic. The main problem is
the colour is a bit hit and miss !

Second bit of news is that i have aquired alot of photos from the 60’s,70’s,80’s,and 90s that are from a collection. Alot are by the photographer
but he has also bought in alot from various other photographers. Therefore you may have seen some on facebook.

They have all been copyrighted and if anyone wants any removed if they are their photo let me know and i will remove.
I will call these album pics.

Great news Dean! This thread is turning into a reputable archive of its very own! Cheers, Robert

240 Gardner:
“MANTRONIC”
Hey Dean and Paul ,you just spoil us Welsh lads ,the British Steel Atkinson Leader was based at the Orb steel plant in Newport ,the colours changed to blue after the steel industry was nationalised .
The Leaders followed on from 4X2 Atkinsons ,but my uncle can remember they had a ruck of Leyland Octopus.

There were a number of photos of these 6x2 units published by Atkinson, but they do pre-date the Leader which wasn’t announced until October 1970 - the Leader was a heavier duty chassis, designed for 38 ton (not tonne!) operation, for the much anticipated weight increases which Andrew mentions below. This is a Mk.2 ‘Silver Knight Reat Steer’, designed for 32T operation (although some were plated at 36T), and had only the 220 Rolls and 6-speed ZF

“pete 359”
Hi all,
Great photos as always gentlemen.Those late 1960’s six wheel units were a popular choice with many welsh steel hauliers,then the threatened weight increase never happened and nobody bought them until 1983 when we leapt from 32 tonnes on four axles to 38 on five or six.I think the green on the early B.S.C. Fleet was carried over from the old Steel Company Of Wales fleet ?
Regards Andrew.

Yes indeed, the weight increase that never was! Although many of the 6x2 tractors available in the mid-60s were spec’d to achieve 32T with an outer axle spread of less than, I think, 38’. Therefore companies who operated shorter trailers at top weight, such as BSC and Northern Ireland Trailers, could still run legally at the full 32T with a 30’ trailer, as opposed to 30T with a 4x2 tractor.

I have an ex-Northern Ireland Trailers ‘Rear Steer’ unit, big long thing with 12’ 6" (3.81m) wheelbase, but only plated at 32T, and the GVW of the tractor is only 18T across the three axles!

Thanks for the info on the Atkis Chris ,your definately the main man on those Atkinsons !

sm240:
hello Dean
do you have any other photos of foreign trucks: (Saviem, Berliet, Pegaso, etc.)?
then I wanted to wish you a good weekend !!!
bye
MIMMO

Will pop some on tomorrow Mimmo.

kenfig bill:
Hello MT …Trevor Davies also had a couple of Foden 4000 series …and Iveco 4 wheeler …fair play you know your stuff…mate …
DEAN …we.,.the old man that is …can only echo …the thought and words of others on this thread …for yourtime and effort ,for posting such amazing material …i mean yeah you spoil us Welsh lads rotten …
The old man particularly liked the Wynns Seddon 32/4 unit …he says it is fitted with a fire screen /whatever …and used on tank work …such as Monsanto Chemicals in Newport …and Coates based at Caerphilly …one of his buddies drove for Wynns at this time with a similar Seddon and that was bitumen out of the old furnacite plant near Aberdare .
DEAN ,…really looking forward to the next batch of Welsh pics …lol …Geraint

Hello Geraint ,we are lucky that Paul shared his pics with us. Plus if it was not for him we would not have seen any of Mark’s pics as the only person who had ever seen
them was Paul.

Now heres one for dad as he really does know his stuff along with all the other Welsh chaps who comment on here !

Your dad mentioned that Wynns Seddon were used on tanker work. Our tanker specialist Chris Webb will know about the fire screen ■■ I dont know if its something to
do with the exhaust on tankers being at the front of the unit under the bumper ?

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ianto:
Trevor Davies ran a few Dodge Commandos 7.5 to 17 ton also Daf 1900 Volvo F6 4 wheel flats and a Dodge KT900 6 wheel flat

Thanks for your comments Ian.

MANTRONIC:

ianto:
Trevor Davies ran a few Dodge Commandos 7.5 to 17 ton also Daf 1900 Volvo F6 4 wheel flats and a Dodge KT900 6 wheel flat

Hi ianto ,he had a Atkinson Borderer GYF 151N ? ,always a very smart fleet .
Hey Geraint ,its the uncle who passes the info to me ,he and your Dad should really get together !!
Oh my days Dean ,you flag up Welsh shots and their is always interesting feedback,unc didnt know that Trevor Davies had a KT900 6 wheeler ,thanx MT

ianto:
Hello MANTRONIC Trevor Davies Atkinson was sold at his closing down sale to his ex driver later transport manager nickname of SOOTY cant remember his proper name . Dont know where it is now Tevor Davies also in the early days ran a longwheel base Bedford TK tipper i think was ex Llandeilo Builders Merchants Phill Marks is first lorry with Trevor Davies who was also an agricultural merchant as well as haulage contractor

Hi Dean and Geraint ,yes i can remember those Seddons some were actually in Monsanto colours and their was also GUY J artics also on tanker work .
Great pics as always Dean ,and refreshing to see Wynns pics that have not already appeared in books ,more please chaps ,regards Keith

[gingerfold]

robthedog:
Pitter Maggie. Did they have other depots apart from Southampton ■■

I think Pitter only had the 1 depot at West End Southampton I’m sure JD will know

Pitter had a North West depot for a few years in the 1970s. It was at Church Street, Little Lever, Bolton opposite the Jolly Carter pub. Previously it had been the base of HKR Transport, then for a short time Renwicks, then Pitter Brothers, then Sheldon / Haworth & Wilson. For the last 20 odd years it has been the base of Thomas Harwood & Son Ltd.

[hrs]

Morning Dean,
Its not only Paul who can take a good pic of an Draw bar outfit, cant for the life of me remember why I took this, Harvey

[240_gardner]

DEANB:
Ontime Renault.

Here it is again:

On Time_FY02PPF_DSC00150 by Paul Redmond, on Flickr

Once upon a time, Ontime Automotive had a large fleet of open transporters, on different types of work and culled from various acquisitions, but the ‘Volume Distribution’ side of the business was closed around 2008.

[deanb]

Ray Smyth:
Hi Dean, This Bedford TL 13 ton GVW is a lorry that I bought in the late 1980s.
It was new to Bass Charrington with a Linkliner body by Boalloy, but I had it
converted to a curtainsider, for when we did the Rank Hovis deliveries.
Perhaps some of my lorries may appear in your new supply of pictures.
Ray.

Nice pic, you never know whats gonna turn up Ray, Paul and Mark still have alot of pics.

tastrucker:
hello DEAN .and thanks for the Caddies ERF ,now that unit overturned in Germany ,and was rebuilt to rhd ,thank you Trevor

Thanks for the info Trevor. PLEASE edit your replies chap !

I dont ever recall seeing a Cadwallader F12 Trevor did they run any ■■ Heres one of their F10’s. (click on page twice)

smallcoal:
Hi dean,tdw was mainly ivecos I had one they were supplied by fords Swansea they were a good truck I enjoyed driving it,here’s some courtesy of Ron the first one was mine,the driver in front of his is yan he had an accident abroad hence the damage

Great photos John. At that time was that the most common truck in the fleet ? They must have had a lot of them.

robthedog:
Cant make the name out on the Scania ■■?

FACCENDA They were chicken slaughter’s from up Brackley way, i think they bought out Webbs from Lymington

Ontime Renault.

On time brought out HSL Vehicle movements which is the transporter following

Thanks for the information “robthedog”

robthedog:
BETTER EDITING PAUL MOOMOOLAND !!!

Yes better editting “robthedog” you would get a gold star for that if you were still at school. Hopefully other’s will follow your example !

robthedog:
Pitter Maggie. Did they have other depots apart from Southampton ■■

I think Pitter only had the 1 depot at West End Southampton I’m sure JD will know

Your getting good at this editting now chap starting to show off !

Buzzer:
You go careful we will get another rollicking in a moment, think Pitter’s had a 50% share in SRT in Andersons road with Meacher’s being the other party, Colin Dyke will probably know as he is good on transport history and we just as well have a triple hanging while we are at it eh, cheers Buzzer

Thanks for the info Buzzer.

kingswinford kit:
Hi Dean and Geraint ,yes i can remember those Seddons some were actually in Monsanto colours and their was also GUY J artics also on tanker work .
Great pics as always Dean ,and refreshing to see Wynns pics that have not already appeared in books ,more please chaps ,regards Keith

Hello Keith thanks for the comments. Can you PLEASE also edit your posts as it makes my life easier,just delete all the stuff that is not relevant.

Heres another of Wynns.

gingerfold:
robthedogPitter Maggie. Did they have other depots apart from Southampton ■■

I think Pitter only had the 1 depot at West End Southampton I’m sure JD will know

Pitter had a North West depot for a few years in the 1970s. It was at Church Street, Little Lever, Bolton opposite the Jolly Carter pub. Previously it had been the base of HKR Transport, then for a short time Renwicks, then Pitter Brothers, then Sheldon / Haworth & Wilson. For the last 20 odd years it has been the base of Thomas Harwood & Son Ltd.

Thanks for the info Graham.

HRS:
Morning Dean,
Its not only Paul who can take a good pic of an Draw bar outfit, cant for the life of me remember why I took this, Harvey

240 Gardner:

DEANB:
Once upon a time, Ontime Automotive had a large fleet of open transporters, on different types of work and culled from various acquisitions, but the ‘Volume Distribution’ side of the business was closed around 2008.

Thanks for the pic and info Chris.

[deanb]

Volvo FL series.

Click on pages twice to read.

[deanb]

Album pics. Not taken by me.

Volvo FL

T.French FL10

Ferguson Volvo FL10

Malcolm Volvo FL6

Maitland Volvo FL7

H.E.Payne Volvo FL6

A.G.G.Cattanach Volvo FL7

Woodhouse Volvo FL10

Hoyer FL10

Cooper Buckley FL10

Carlsberg Volvo FL7

[deanb]

Album pics. Not taken by me.

Suttons Atkinson.

Clark & Butcher Seddon Atkinson 400

Blue Circle Cement Leyland.

Allan D Young livestock Foden.

S.J.Beckwith 8 wheeler.

Sunderland Bedford

D.M.Davies Seddon Atkinson 400 from Carmarthen.

J.R.Adams Roadtrain.

Kent Wood Ware Company Foden.

Napier Brown ERF

[deanb]

Heron Freight Roadtrain.

Steetley Leyland

Lye Spencer Steel Roadtrain.

Tarmac Maggie.

Hucker Bros Routeman.

[tastrucker]

hello DEAN ,and thank you for another Caddies ,truth to tell im not sure myself whether they had any F12 Volvos ,will have to do a little detective work for you .
They did have one F89 that was lhd ,thank you Trevor

[bluenosebulls]

Good day all, Im still trying to search for any pictures of Cadbury’s crumb transporters from the 1990’s which im still certain they used volvo fl10’s but i am starting to doubt, as i am drawing a complete blank, ive seen the pictures of the roadtrain and bedford pictures, they are not dissimulator, im sure they ran tri axle versions. Or even who would of had the distribution contract during the 90’s. thanks