What is interesting is that the DVSA are saying that roping and sheeting IS appropriate if done correctly! We have been saying that all along.
The DVSA and VOSA have always taken the position that roping loads is ok so long as the driver can do it properly.There’s also no reason why roping has to be considered as only going with sheeting.When it wasn’t unusual to use ropes without the need to sheet a flat or in the case of curtainsiders and/or tilts so long as the things were fitted with rope hooks.The advantage in the case of ropes being the ability for more passes over the load requiring less individual force on each as opposed to the fewer passes over the load provided by ratchet straps.Which in the real world means more security for less potential damage to the load with the win win of being far better than internals or nothing at all.
@HantsPolRoads
Load securing operation today on M4/A34. Joint working HSE, TVP, Hants, Met Pol and City of London Police. The only compliant trucks we saw all day were the empty ones. Drivers please secure your loads properly. #JOUCVU
Whoever loaded that truck is partly to blame. If it was loaded at a palletways type company shame on them. If the driver was watching them load he’s not a professional driver. I wouldn’t have taken that out like that. With a bit of rearrangement that load would be a lot better and safer.
Drivers and drivers
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It’s pallet force looking at the unit. You do have to sit in your cab while they load you and then pull lot to strap up, so you don’t see how they’ve loaded you until then. IF your not happy with something you can go back round and see a supervisor and explain your not leaving site until x y z has been sorted.
DickyNick:
There’s a lot of hate to the police here and people coming out with [zb], but let’s not get awa from he fact that the drivers have made no or little effort on some of those pictures to secure the load. “Only compliant trucks were the empty ones”. As much as you all hate the police for doing their job, it’s not very good on our part now is it.
On the 2 curtain siders how hard was it for those drivers to pull a few internals across? Pure laziness.
You say it’s [zb], I say it’'s constructive criticism.
The Police are no more than revenue raisers, the type of crime that involves the common man in the street takes a back seat, excused by their ‘‘lack of resources’’ .
If that IS genuine, then those resources should be prioritised in favour of serious crime and not catching a driver drinking his Costa latte or not strapping up his pallets of cardboard…
So…how exactly is that ‘‘Coming out with [zb]’’ ?
But these are the traffic unit, put there to deal with, ermmm traffic stuff, not there to deal with burglary etc.
I wouldn’t call it constructive criticism, I’d call it just a total police hating attitude from everyone and I hope no one here actually never needs them and if you do you don’t deserve to have them turn up to HELP you with some of the stuff said.
Look Rob, every time there is a thread on here about load security you go on about how you strap everything to keep all happy. It’s not hard is it? You can do it, I can do it. Why couldn’t these drivers? They’ve made zero effort but it’s all the fault of the police who apparently have nothing better to do when it’s their job to deal with traffic stuff. Why is everyone here avoiding the fact that these drivers are actually in the wrong? Even if it is only to look good and the load wouldn’t move without being strapped, it keeps the police and vosa happy so just do it to avoid all this ■■■■. Not bloody hard is it
Funny also out of the 3 photos the bloke with tyres is quite possibly the only one of the 3 who’s not a professional driver looking at the vehicle size, yet he’s made the most effort to secure his load. The things that are wrong with his he possibly only needed a bit of education for rather than having a can’t be arsed attitude like the other 2 “pro” drivers clearly did.
Just another reason to avoid tauts…If you ask me.
I mean are they freaking serious
Maybe they should reduce the size of the roads policing unit…and redistribute funds,elsewhere.
mm1988:
apparently at Stafford they don’t recognise load bearing curtains and everything has to be strapped.
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Wtf, who are these [zb] s to make these sort of decisions at the drop of a hat.
Load bearing curtains are load bearing curtains, whether those twunts ‘‘recognise’’ them or not.
Every load should be judged on it’s own individual merit when they stop you, a load of steel with no straps is insecure in that type of trailer, but a load of tissue in an identical trailer certainly IS whether they [zb] ‘‘recognise it’’ or not.
Thread title says it all ‘‘Having a purge’’.
It’s funny how they always have purges on offences that can generate cash, you never hear of purges on burglaries, or truck crime, …funny that.
Hi Rob. I thought I remembered reading somewhere about a police purge on something other than traffic offences. However after reading your post, I began to doubt myself, so did a bit of research. Apparently the police regularly have purges on all manner of serious crimes ( including burglary ). As the information I gathered was from newspaper and TV reports, thinking about it , it was probably all " fake news " and you were as usual correct.
Regards. John.
DickyNick:
Funny also out of the 3 photos the bloke with tyres is quite possibly the only one of the 3 who’s not a professional driver looking at the vehicle size, yet he’s made the most effort to secure his load. The things that are wrong with his he possibly only needed a bit of education for rather than having a can’t be arsed attitude like the other 2 “pro” drivers clearly did.
I don’t see the driver that way ,the driver will still do dcpc’ s and the lorry is still 8 ft wide , your right though he’s made the effort or rather done the job nearly right as do a lot of flat bed drivers .
DickyNick:
There’s a lot of hate to the police here and people coming out with [zb], but let’s not get awa from he fact that the drivers have made no or little effort on some of those pictures to secure the load. “Only compliant trucks were the empty ones”. As much as you all hate the police for doing their job, it’s not very good on our part now is it.
On the 2 curtain siders how hard was it for those drivers to pull a few internals across? Pure laziness.
You say it’s [zb], I say it’'s constructive criticism.
The Police are no more than revenue raisers, the type of crime that involves the common man in the street takes a back seat, excused by their ‘‘lack of resources’’ .
If that IS genuine, then those resources should be prioritised in favour of serious crime and not catching a driver drinking his Costa latte or not strapping up his pallets of cardboard…
So…how exactly is that ‘‘Coming out with [zb]’’ ?
But these are the traffic unit, put there to deal with, ermmm traffic stuff, not there to deal with burglary etc.
I wouldn’t call it constructive criticism, I’d call it just a total police hating attitude from everyone and I hope no one here actually never needs them and if you do you don’t deserve to have them turn up to HELP you with some of the stuff said.
Look Rob, every time there is a thread on here about load security you go on about how you strap everything to keep all happy. It’s not hard is it? You can do it, I can do it. Why couldn’t these drivers? They’ve made zero effort but it’s all the fault of the police who apparently have nothing better to do when it’s their job to deal with traffic stuff. Why is everyone here avoiding the fact that these drivers are actually in the wrong? Even if it is only to look good and the load wouldn’t move without being strapped, it keeps the police and vosa happy so just do it to avoid all this [zb]. Not bloody hard is it
Look mate I don’t give a stuff if they’re (ermmm ) traffic, graphic or pornographic… they’re Police , so if they can use these guys on all manner of things including coffee and Mars bar whilst driving duties, they are not being utilised efficientlly, so there goes your lack of resources problem transfer these easy option policing types into crime, or at the very least have them doing some proper policing of the roads. (lane discipline on m.ways for a start.)
As for them turning up to help, good luck with that one.
I aint an apologist for crap drivers not securing proper loads that NEED secured either, so I don’t know where you got that one from, but you appear to be an apologist for the Police, but sometimes you can not defend the indefensible.
DickyNick:
There’s a lot of hate to the police here and people coming out with [zb], but let’s not get awa from he fact that the drivers have made no or little effort on some of those pictures to secure the load. “Only compliant trucks were the empty ones”. As much as you all hate the police for doing their job, it’s not very good on our part now is it.
On the 2 curtain siders how hard was it for those drivers to pull a few internals across? Pure laziness.
You say it’s [zb], I say it’'s constructive criticism.
The Police are no more than revenue raisers, the type of crime that involves the common man in the street takes a back seat, excused by their ‘‘lack of resources’’ .
If that IS genuine, then those resources should be prioritised in favour of serious crime and not catching a driver drinking his Costa latte or not strapping up his pallets of cardboard…
So…how exactly is that ‘‘Coming out with [zb]’’ ?
But these are the traffic unit, put there to deal with, ermmm traffic stuff, not there to deal with burglary etc.
I wouldn’t call it constructive criticism, I’d call it just a total police hating attitude from everyone and I hope no one here actually never needs them and if you do you don’t deserve to have them turn up to HELP you with some of the stuff said.
Look Rob, every time there is a thread on here about load security you go on about how you strap everything to keep all happy. It’s not hard is it? You can do it, I can do it. Why couldn’t these drivers? They’ve made zero effort but it’s all the fault of the police who apparently have nothing better to do when it’s their job to deal with traffic stuff. Why is everyone here avoiding the fact that these drivers are actually in the wrong? Even if it is only to look good and the load wouldn’t move without being strapped, it keeps the police and vosa happy so just do it to avoid all this [zb]. Not bloody hard is it
Look mate I don’t give a stuff if they’re (ermmm ) traffic, graphic or pornographic… they’re Police , so if they can use these guys on all manner of things including coffee and Mars bar whilst driving duties, they are not being utilised efficientlly, so there goes your lack of resources problem transfer these easy option policing types into crime, or at the very least have them doing some proper policing of the roads. (lane discipline on m.ways for a start.)
As for them turning up to help, good luck with that one.
I aint an apologist for crap drivers not securing proper loads that NEED secured either, so I don’t know where you got that one from, but you appear to be an apologist for the Police, but sometimes you can not defend the indefensible.
Look, the police on this day have been tasked by a superior to go and target lorries and check on load security. Fact.
It is within their remit and powers to do this. Fact.
They have found a bunch of drivers who have not bothered to even think about load security. Fact.
People on this forum are getting away from the issue that drivers haven’t secured a load, whether it needs it or not, apparently all do these days. Fact.
On a different day they will go and bother some other people when they target something different. This day it was HGVs. They can only do one thing at once like other humans can. In this day that one thing was HGVs and load security. And no surprise they found a load of trucks with no straps on their loads.
The day they go and target burglars then I’m sure the burglary net U.K. forum will have all its members saying the police have nothing better to do, why don’t they go and target some speeding motorists instead. Fact of life, the police can’t win whatever they do and that’s why I’m often on their side.
DickyNick:
Funny also out of the 3 photos the bloke with tyres is quite possibly the only one of the 3 who’s not a professional driver looking at the vehicle size, yet he’s made the most effort to secure his load. The things that are wrong with his he possibly only needed a bit of education for rather than having a can’t be arsed attitude like the other 2 “pro” drivers clearly did.
I don’t see the driver that way ,the driver will still do dcpc’ s and the lorry is still 8 ft wide , your right though he’s made the effort or rather done the job nearly right as do a lot of flat bed drivers .
I guess what I mean is that driving a vehicle like that then there’s a good chance driving is only part of his job whereas the other 2 are employed as professional HGV drivers and they’ve just not bothered.
DickyNick:
Funny also out of the 3 photos the bloke with tyres is quite possibly the only one of the 3 who’s not a professional driver looking at the vehicle size, yet he’s made the most effort to secure his load. The things that are wrong with his he possibly only needed a bit of education for rather than having a can’t be arsed attitude like the other 2 “pro” drivers clearly did.
I don’t see the driver that way ,the driver will still do dcpc’ s and the lorry is still 8 ft wide , your right though he’s made the effort or rather done the job nearly right as do a lot of flat bed drivers .
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If he’d have placed the tyres across the bed 2 high, wouldn’t have been a problem. Carrying tyres like that is asking to lose them.
DickyNick:
Look, the police on this day have been tasked by a superior to go and target lorries and check on load security. Fact.
It is within their remit and powers to do this. Fact.
They have found a bunch of drivers who have not bothered to even think about load security. Fact.
People on this forum are getting away from the issue that drivers haven’t secured a load, whether it needs it or not, apparently all do these days. Fact.
On a different day they will go and bother some other people when they target something different. This day it was HGVs. They can only do one thing at once like other humans can. In this day that one thing was HGVs and load security. And no surprise they found a load of trucks with no straps on their loads.
The day they go and target burglars then I’m sure the burglary net U.K. forum will have all its members saying the police have nothing better to do, why don’t they go and target some speeding motorists instead. Fact of life, the police can’t win whatever they do and that’s why I’m often on their side.
Aye,.well here’s another couple of ‘‘facts’’ for you…
The Police today are somewhere between a waste of money and primarily revenue collectors, they have lost their way.
If ever you get your fuel and/or load nicked, burgled or assaulted we’ll see if you change your tune.
Example…my lad was 17 yrs old when some ■■■■ walked over to his car at lights and assaulted him, when he drove off he was pulled, …not to investigate the assault, but to nick him for a noisy exhaust, the easier option.
Right…to get back on thread, the roads are not awash daily with shed loads strewn all over the country, it’s just the latest cash opportunity (to use your line…"fact’)
The relatively few shed loads there are, and the more recently frequent bridge bashing are down to ■■■■ poor drivers practicing ■■■■ poor driving, that is the disease, (fact)
The bridges and the loads scenarios are the symptoms of that disease, so adresss the problem of f/whits gaining Class 1s, by making things harder to qualify.
DickyNick:
Look, the police on this day have been tasked by a superior to go and target lorries and check on load security. Fact.
It is within their remit and powers to do this. Fact.
They have found a bunch of drivers who have not bothered to even think about load security. Fact.
People on this forum are getting away from the issue that drivers haven’t secured a load, whether it needs it or not, apparently all do these days. Fact.
On a different day they will go and bother some other people when they target something different. This day it was HGVs. They can only do one thing at once like other humans can. In this day that one thing was HGVs and load security. And no surprise they found a load of trucks with no straps on their loads.
The day they go and target burglars then I’m sure the burglary net U.K. forum will have all its members saying the police have nothing better to do, why don’t they go and target some speeding motorists instead. Fact of life, the police can’t win whatever they do and that’s why I’m often on their side.
Aye,.well here’s another couple of ‘‘facts’’ for you…
The Police today are somewhere between a waste of money and primarily revenue collectors, they have lost their way.
If ever you get your fuel and/or load nicked, burgled or assaulted we’ll see if you change your tune.
Example…my lad was 17 yrs old when some [zb] walked over to his car at lights and assaulted him, when he drove off he was pulled, …not to investigate the assault, but to nick him for a noisy exhaust, the easier option.
Right…to get back on thread, the roads are not awash daily with shed loads strewn all over the country, it’s just the latest cash opportunity (to use your line…"fact’)
The relatively few shed loads there are, and the more recently frequent bridge bashing are down to ■■■■ poor drivers practicing ■■■■ poor driving, that is the disease, (fact)
The bridges and the loads scenarios are the symptoms of that disease, so adresss the problem of f/whits gaining Class 1s, by making things harder to qualify.
You don’t know what your talking about rob. I’ve seen hanging dead bodies, told relatives there loved one is dead, picked up body parts off a railway track, and pulled children out of an overturned car. That’s the kind of thing police do actually do as well as the “trivial stuff”. Sometimes the “trivial” “money making stuff” actually helps prevent the serious stuff. You tell me and my mates that police are a waste of space? Yes it’s what I used to do by the way. Try seeing all that ■■■■ and then tell me I was a waste of money, and my mates who still do the job are a waste of money.
DickyNick:
Look, the police on this day have been tasked by a superior to go and target lorries and check on load security. Fact.
It is within their remit and powers to do this. Fact.
They have found a bunch of drivers who have not bothered to even think about load security. Fact.
People on this forum are getting away from the issue that drivers haven’t secured a load, whether it needs it or not, apparently all do these days. Fact.
On a different day they will go and bother some other people when they target something different. This day it was HGVs. They can only do one thing at once like other humans can. In this day that one thing was HGVs and load security. And no surprise they found a load of trucks with no straps on their loads.
The day they go and target burglars then I’m sure the burglary net U.K. forum will have all its members saying the police have nothing better to do, why don’t they go and target some speeding motorists instead. Fact of life, the police can’t win whatever they do and that’s why I’m often on their side.
Aye,.well here’s another couple of ‘‘facts’’ for you…
The Police today are somewhere between a waste of money and primarily revenue collectors, they have lost their way.
If ever you get your fuel and/or load nicked, burgled or assaulted we’ll see if you change your tune.
Example…my lad was 17 yrs old when some [zb] walked over to his car at lights and assaulted him, when he drove off he was pulled, …not to investigate the assault, but to nick him for a noisy exhaust, the easier option.
Right…to get back on thread, the roads are not awash daily with shed loads strewn all over the country, it’s just the latest cash opportunity (to use your line…"fact’)
The relatively few shed loads there are, and the more recently frequent bridge bashing are down to ■■■■ poor drivers practicing ■■■■ poor driving, that is the disease, (fact)
The bridges and the loads scenarios are the symptoms of that disease, so adresss the problem of f/whits gaining Class 1s, by making things harder to qualify.
You don’t know what your talking about rob. I’ve seen hanging dead bodies, told relatives there loved one is dead, picked up body parts off a railway track, and pulled children out of an overturned car. That’s the kind of thing police do actually do as well as the “trivial stuff”. Sometimes the “trivial” “money making stuff” actually helps prevent the serious stuff. You tell me and my mates that police are a waste of space? Yes it’s what I used to do by the way. Try seeing all that ■■■■ and then tell me I was a waste of money, and my mates who still do the job are a waste of money.
DickyNick:
Look, the police on this day have been tasked by a superior to go and target lorries and check on load security. Fact.
It is within their remit and powers to do this. Fact.
They have found a bunch of drivers who have not bothered to even think about load security. Fact.
People on this forum are getting away from the issue that drivers haven’t secured a load, whether it needs it or not, apparently all do these days. Fact.
On a different day they will go and bother some other people when they target something different. This day it was HGVs. They can only do one thing at once like other humans can. In this day that one thing was HGVs and load security. And no surprise they found a load of trucks with no straps on their loads.
The day they go and target burglars then I’m sure the burglary net U.K. forum will have all its members saying the police have nothing better to do, why don’t they go and target some speeding motorists instead. Fact of life, the police can’t win whatever they do and that’s why I’m often on their side.
Aye,.well here’s another couple of ‘‘facts’’ for you…
The Police today are somewhere between a waste of money and primarily revenue collectors, they have lost their way.
If ever you get your fuel and/or load nicked, burgled or assaulted we’ll see if you change your tune.
Example…my lad was 17 yrs old when some [zb] walked over to his car at lights and assaulted him, when he drove off he was pulled, …not to investigate the assault, but to nick him for a noisy exhaust, the easier option.
Right…to get back on thread, the roads are not awash daily with shed loads strewn all over the country, it’s just the latest cash opportunity (to use your line…"fact’)
The relatively few shed loads there are, and the more recently frequent bridge bashing are down to ■■■■ poor drivers practicing ■■■■ poor driving, that is the disease, (fact)
The bridges and the loads scenarios are the symptoms of that disease, so adresss the problem of f/whits gaining Class 1s, by making things harder to qualify.
You don’t know what your talking about rob. I’ve seen hanging dead bodies, told relatives there loved one is dead, picked up body parts off a railway track, and pulled children out of an overturned car. That’s the kind of thing police do actually do as well as the “trivial stuff”. Sometimes the “trivial” “money making stuff” actually helps prevent the serious stuff. You tell me and my mates that police are a waste of space? Yes it’s what I used to do by the way. Try seeing all that [zb] and then tell me I was a waste of money, and my mates who still do the job are a waste of money.
But as in all professions there are ones that spoil it for the rest and this is probably more prevalent in the police and the damage these ones do to their reputation is more serious than in other professions. I started driving at 33 and prior to that had an indifferent attitude to the police, now having been driving for 20 years my attitude has totally changed and that is all down to traffic officers, been abused because of where I come from, taken to court twice, one case not guilty due to policeman failing to understand a ferry break and second thrown out as policeman was lying. Another example stopped to give a statement to the police on the A75 over a crime I had witnessed a few weeks previous after giving the statement was then subjected to a 1 hour tacho check talk about shooting yourself in the foot on leaving rang Dumfries police station and told them I wanted my statement retracted and I would not stand by it.
Agree that policy comes from above and a lot of policing is target driven but that doesn’t give the officer on the ground the right to treat the public with contempt or rudeness
DickyNick:
Look, the police on this day have been tasked by a superior to go and target lorries and check on load security. Fact.
It is within their remit and powers to do this. Fact.
They have found a bunch of drivers who have not bothered to even think about load security. Fact.
People on this forum are getting away from the issue that drivers haven’t secured a load, whether it needs it or not, apparently all do these days. Fact.
On a different day they will go and bother some other people when they target something different. This day it was HGVs. They can only do one thing at once like other humans can. In this day that one thing was HGVs and load security. And no surprise they found a load of trucks with no straps on their loads.
The day they go and target burglars then I’m sure the burglary net U.K. forum will have all its members saying the police have nothing better to do, why don’t they go and target some speeding motorists instead. Fact of life, the police can’t win whatever they do and that’s why I’m often on their side.
Aye,.well here’s another couple of ‘‘facts’’ for you…
The Police today are somewhere between a waste of money and primarily revenue collectors, they have lost their way.
If ever you get your fuel and/or load nicked, burgled or assaulted we’ll see if you change your tune.
Example…my lad was 17 yrs old when some [zb] walked over to his car at lights and assaulted him, when he drove off he was pulled, …not to investigate the assault, but to nick him for a noisy exhaust, the easier option.
Right…to get back on thread, the roads are not awash daily with shed loads strewn all over the country, it’s just the latest cash opportunity (to use your line…"fact’)
The relatively few shed loads there are, and the more recently frequent bridge bashing are down to ■■■■ poor drivers practicing ■■■■ poor driving, that is the disease, (fact)
The bridges and the loads scenarios are the symptoms of that disease, so adresss the problem of f/whits gaining Class 1s, by making things harder to qualify.
You don’t know what your talking about rob. I’ve seen hanging dead bodies, told relatives there loved one is dead, picked up body parts off a railway track, and pulled children out of an overturned car. That’s the kind of thing police do actually do as well as the “trivial stuff”. Sometimes the “trivial” “money making stuff” actually helps prevent the serious stuff. You tell me and my mates that police are a waste of space? Yes it’s what I used to do by the way. Try seeing all that [zb] and then tell me I was a waste of money, and my mates who still do the job are a waste of money.
But as in all professions there are ones that spoil it for the rest and this is probably more prevalent in the police and the damage these ones do to their reputation is more serious than in other professions. I started driving at 33 and prior to that had an indifferent attitude to the police, now having been driving for 20 years my attitude has totally changed and that is all down to traffic officers, been abused because of where I come from, taken to court twice, one case not guilty due to policeman failing to understand a ferry break and second thrown out as policeman was lying. Another example stopped to give a statement to the police on the A75 over a crime I had witnessed a few weeks previous after giving the statement was then subjected to a 1 hour tacho check talk about shooting yourself in the foot on leaving rang Dumfries police station and told them I wanted my statement retracted and I would not stand by it.
Agree that policy comes from above and a lot of policing is target driven but that doesn’t give the officer on the ground the right to treat the public with contempt or rudeness
Quite right, no it doesn’t. But I don’t think a few bad officers makes the entire U.K. police a waste of space, waste money or whatever rob seems to think. Does it? When you look at all other good stuff they do actually do. If you child was missing they would be the first people you’d call, don’t lie and say you wouldn’t, and the police would be pulling all stops out to find them.
Mazzer2:
But as in all professions there are ones that spoil it for the rest and this is probably more prevalent in the police and the damage these ones do to their reputation is more serious than in other professions. I started driving at 33 and prior to that had an indifferent attitude to the police, now having been driving for 20 years my attitude has totally changed and that is all down to traffic officers, been abused because of where I come from, taken to court twice, one case not guilty due to policeman failing to understand a ferry break and second thrown out as policeman was lying. Another example stopped to give a statement to the police on the A75 over a crime I had witnessed a few weeks previous after giving the statement was then subjected to a 1 hour tacho check talk about shooting yourself in the foot on leaving rang Dumfries police station and told them I wanted my statement retracted and I would not stand by it.
Agree that policy comes from above and a lot of policing is target driven but that doesn’t give the officer on the ground the right to treat the public with contempt or rudeness
Quite right, no it doesn’t. But I don’t think a few bad officers makes the entire U.K. police a waste of space, waste money or whatever rob seems to think. Does it? When you look at all other good stuff they do actually do. If you child was missing they would be the first people you’d call, don’t lie and say you wouldn’t, and the police would be pulling all stops out to find them.
No it doesn’t but in my experience I wouldn’t call them here, in N.I. they are currently running a police campaign against knee capping and punishment beatings, but what the PSNI don’t seem to realise is that they responded to all sections of the community as they should do then people would go to them not the paramilitary’s. We had a problem in our street with a sectarian bigot ( I live in a mixed area) 8 months of continuous complaints to police nothing neighbour had a word resulted in bigot being dragged out of his house at gunpoint and given 24 hours to leave, job done. Police came next morning inquiry dropped pronto when they realised that they hadn’t followed up on the previous complaints, lesson learnt is that if you want something sorted that are other more efficient ways than the police and PSNI then wonder why the catholic community doesn’t help them
DickyNick:
Look, the police on this day have been tasked by a superior to go and target lorries and check on load security. Fact.
It is within their remit and powers to do this. Fact.
They have found a bunch of drivers who have not bothered to even think about load security. Fact.
People on this forum are getting away from the issue that drivers haven’t secured a load, whether it needs it or not, apparently all do these days. Fact.
On a different day they will go and bother some other people when they target something different. This day it was HGVs. They can only do one thing at once like other humans can. In this day that one thing was HGVs and load security. And no surprise they found a load of trucks with no straps on their loads.
The day they go and target burglars then I’m sure the burglary net U.K. forum will have all its members saying the police have nothing better to do, why don’t they go and target some speeding motorists instead. Fact of life, the police can’t win whatever they do and that’s why I’m often on their side.
Aye,.well here’s another couple of ‘‘facts’’ for you…
The Police today are somewhere between a waste of money and primarily revenue collectors, they have lost their way.
If ever you get your fuel and/or load nicked, burgled or assaulted we’ll see if you change your tune.
Example…my lad was 17 yrs old when some [zb] walked over to his car at lights and assaulted him, when he drove off he was pulled, …not to investigate the assault, but to nick him for a noisy exhaust, the easier option.
Right…to get back on thread, the roads are not awash daily with shed loads strewn all over the country, it’s just the latest cash opportunity (to use your line…"fact’)
The relatively few shed loads there are, and the more recently frequent bridge bashing are down to ■■■■ poor drivers practicing ■■■■ poor driving, that is the disease, (fact)
The bridges and the loads scenarios are the symptoms of that disease, so adresss the problem of f/whits gaining Class 1s, by making things harder to qualify.
You don’t know what your talking about rob. I’ve seen hanging dead bodies, told relatives there loved one is dead, picked up body parts off a railway track, and pulled children out of an overturned car. That’s the kind of thing police do actually do as well as the “trivial stuff”. Sometimes the “trivial” “money making stuff” actually helps prevent the serious stuff. You tell me and my mates that police are a waste of space? Yes it’s what I used to do by the way. Try seeing all that [zb] and then tell me I was a waste of money, and my mates who still do the job are a waste of money.
I didn’t doubt for one moment that you were ex. Police mate , because in my experience there are only 2 types of people who stick up for them, they are the Police themselves or ex Police.
You say I am basically talking out of my arse just because I’ve never been a copper, … I’m quite capable of forming opinions on things by first hand experiences and observations, but hey, thanks for your opinion anyway.
You can not argue that the Police pr is at an all time low, and respect for them in comparison to other times is virtually zero…that is not by accident there is a reason for this, people’s opinions are based on their own experiences, which are evidently mostly bad.
As for you pointing out worse case scenarios to make your point, (however traumatic)I Im sure you would have forseen the risk of experiencing such circumstances before you joined, so it’s a bit like a Doctor complaining about seeing blood and gore, so I do not think your points are valid to this particular argument/discussion on this occasion tbh.
So whether I know what I’m on about or not in your eyes, I stand by my previous stated opinions, and until.I see something positive about the Police, especially in my job, they will not change.
DickyNick:
Look, the police on this day have been tasked by a superior to go and target lorries and check on load security. Fact.
It is within their remit and powers to do this. Fact.
They have found a bunch of drivers who have not bothered to even think about load security. Fact.
People on this forum are getting away from the issue that drivers haven’t secured a load, whether it needs it or not, apparently all do these days. Fact.
On a different day they will go and bother some other people when they target something different. This day it was HGVs. They can only do one thing at once like other humans can. In this day that one thing was HGVs and load security. And no surprise they found a load of trucks with no straps on their loads.
The day they go and target burglars then I’m sure the burglary net U.K. forum will have all its members saying the police have nothing better to do, why don’t they go and target some speeding motorists instead. Fact of life, the police can’t win whatever they do and that’s why I’m often on their side.
Aye,.well here’s another couple of ‘‘facts’’ for you…
The Police today are somewhere between a waste of money and primarily revenue collectors, they have lost their way.
If ever you get your fuel and/or load nicked, burgled or assaulted we’ll see if you change your tune.
Example…my lad was 17 yrs old when some [zb] walked over to his car at lights and assaulted him, when he drove off he was pulled, …not to investigate the assault, but to nick him for a noisy exhaust, the easier option.
Right…to get back on thread, the roads are not awash daily with shed loads strewn all over the country, it’s just the latest cash opportunity (to use your line…"fact’)
The relatively few shed loads there are, and the more recently frequent bridge bashing are down to ■■■■ poor drivers practicing ■■■■ poor driving, that is the disease, (fact)
The bridges and the loads scenarios are the symptoms of that disease, so adresss the problem of f/whits gaining Class 1s, by making things harder to qualify.
You don’t know what your talking about rob. I’ve seen hanging dead bodies, told relatives there loved one is dead, picked up body parts off a railway track, and pulled children out of an overturned car. That’s the kind of thing police do actually do as well as the “trivial stuff”. Sometimes the “trivial” “money making stuff” actually helps prevent the serious stuff. You tell me and my mates that police are a waste of space? Yes it’s what I used to do by the way. Try seeing all that [zb] and then tell me I was a waste of money, and my mates who still do the job are a waste of money.
I didn’t doubt for one moment that you were ex. Police mate , because in my experience there are only 2 types of people who stick up for them, they are the Police themselves or ex Police.
You say I am basically talking out of my arse just because I’ve never been a copper, … I’m quite capable of forming opinions on things by first hand experiences and observations, but hey, thanks for your opinion anyway.
You can not argue that the Police pr is at an all time low, and respect for them in comparison to other times is virtually zero…that is not by accident there is a reason for this, people’s opinions are based on their own experiences, which are evidently mostly bad.
As for you pointing out worse case scenarios to make your point, (however traumatic)I Im sure you would have forseen the risk of experiencing such circumstances before you joined, so it’s a bit like a Doctor complaining about seeing blood and gore, so I do not think your points are valid to this particular argument/discussion on this occasion tbh.
So whether I know what I’m on about or not in your eyes, I stand by my previous stated opinions, and until.I see something positive about the Police, especially in my job, they will not change.
Back to the point rob, the drivers on that photo couldn’t be arsed spending 5 or 10 minutes pulling some internals over the load which would have kept the cops or DVSA happy and avoided this debate in the first place. You know that, as you’ve previously said you strap all your loads as I do. It’s not hard is it.
, so if they can use these guys on all manner of things including coffee and Mars bar whilst driving duties, they are not being utilised efficientlly, so there goes your lack of resources problem transfer these easy option policing types into crime, or at the very least have them doing some proper policing of the roads. (lane discipline on m.ways for a start.)
… I’m quite capable of forming opinions on things by first hand experiences and observations, but hey, thanks for your opinion anyway. 