Brexit , borders and lorries

We didn’t vote for an “Oven-Ready Brexit” - we voted for one that destroys the EU and everything it stands for, politically, financially, and legally.

“We cannot afford to pay the EU our cash whilst people in Britain go short, whilst the doors are left wide open for EU persons, weather born there or not - can reap the harvest they did not sow in Britain.”

THEIR protest however, was done and dusted on 24th June 2016.

The last four and a half years since - have been pretty much non-stop protests from those who don’t seem to gain much from “Remaining”, but are damned if they are going to let their fellow citizens vote for something that smacks of “I’m alright jack”, at a time when very-much “Charity begins at home”…

It Gets Better:

Cabinet minister warns No-deal Brexit could lead to increase in dogging in Kent lay-bys

A government minister fears traffic jams sparked as a result of a no-deal Brexit could lead to an unlikely surge in… dogging.

The cabinet member is said to have confessed his worries for Kent’s lay-bys and quiet car parks at last week’s Conservative Party conference, The Sunday Times reports.

“One of the things we talk about in these no-deal meetings concerns hauliers and their activities,” the minister said.

“The main thing is whether they will turn up at the Channel ports with the right paperwork. But there are also dogging hotspots all over the place.”

Where’s Dipper Dave when you need him ■■

Winseer:
We didn’t vote for an “Oven-Ready Brexit” - we voted for one that destroys the EU and everything it stands for, politically, financially, and legally.

You voted leave with the aim to destroy the EU? Bravo, you’re even more of a c**t than I already thought you were.

Have a nice evening

switchlogic:

Winseer:
We didn’t vote for an “Oven-Ready Brexit” - we voted for one that destroys the EU and everything it stands for, politically, financially, and legally.

You voted leave with the aim to destroy the EU? Bravo, you’re even more of a c**t than I already thought you were.

Have a nice evening

Luke, I hear what you say about THE WINGEER, his posts do my head in too, but and a big BUT,

he does have a point

> we voted for one that destroys the EU and everything it stands for, politically, financially, and legally.

The EU bigwigs and ministers are ■■■■■■■■ their pants because of this vote for the UK to leave.
they are worried that it could cause a big snowball effect that could and hopefully will, start the end of their BS
They know that it could, and IMHO I hope that it will, be the end of, the fraudulent profiteering,the fraudulent overspending
and NOT in the names of the people of Europe !!
People, the citizens of the western countries that is, WANT the EU to fold,
those from Eastern Europe are raking it in and thinking Ta very much let’s keep it going
we here in France are sick and tired of the crap that we see coming out of Brussels and Strasbourg
sick and tired that an un-elected cartel is feeding us all BS, hoping that we will bend over and keep taking it for EVER!
Italians, Austrians the French don’t want it and I’m sure there are loads of others that don’t either.

switchlogic:

Winseer:
We didn’t vote for an “Oven-Ready Brexit” - we voted for one that destroys the EU and everything it stands for, politically, financially, and legally.

You voted leave with the aim to destroy the EU? Bravo, you’re even more of a c**t than I already thought you were.

Have a nice evening

Better to burn out than to fade away in this world globalist non-entity that leaves everyone not an elitist on the shelf.

The world is full of mediocrities, or hadn’t you noticed?

I’d rather die as a free man than live as a serf to some arse like Mike Ashley and his slave empire, thanks.
If you think I’m a c–t then I can only assume your nose is so far up the arse of the likes of the filthy rich like Ashley, that you probably wouldn’t notice a change in atmosphere if he then ended up “following through”…

Feelings are clearly mutual, but I’ll stop short of any sarcasm with regards to your own interfacing with the rest of the world…

Winseer debating tactic No 12- if you can’t think of much to say just drop in a random name, the most weirdly obscure the better, that hasn’t been mentioned before and claim the other poster is a supporter of said name :slight_smile:. As ‘you are pro EU so you must love Mike Ashley’ doesn’t sound weird…at…all :unamused: :smiley:

“Farming Today” this morning on Brexit. 15minute listen.
Hormones and antibiotics, lamb exports, then Gordon Gilder, documents, queues, vets, etc.
bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000pw90

Kicking The Can.
Leaving aside the sheer stupidity of Brexit (other opinions available)* we aren’t doing a good job in preparation for it.
Heard an idea floated: we had Brexit on Jan 1st 2020.
Currently in the Brexit Transition which ends Dec 31st.
Maybe a 6 month Adjustment Period?
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  • fee free to be wrong. [emoji3]

Winseer:
The world is full of mediocrities, or hadn’t you noticed?

We noticed.

dexxy57:

Winseer:
The world is full of mediocrities, or hadn’t you noticed?

We noticed.

Ahh.
A Lake Wobegone reference?
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“…and all the children are above average”

dexxy57:

Winseer:
The world is full of mediocrities, or hadn’t you noticed?

We noticed.

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Franglais:
Kicking The Can.
Leaving aside the sheer stupidity of Brexit (other opinions available)* we aren’t doing a good job in preparation for it.
Heard an idea floated: we had Brexit on Jan 1st 2020.
Currently in the Brexit Transition which ends Dec 31st.
Maybe a 6 month Adjustment Period?
.
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  • fee free to be wrong. [emoji3]

You’re pro EU? Madness, I’d rather be free than be a slave to presses random name generator the Aga Khan. You’re clearly performing homosexual acts on his bumhole you love him so much.

See, sounds completely sane I reckon. I’m going have fun with the Winseer playbook

You’re right !
Your persuasive argument has opened my eyes!
All this time I’ve been driving around the EU with just a UK licence and a CMR, has been hell. The lack of tariffs and red tape has been a real handicap for all our industry too.
Thanks to you and Winseer I see the error of my ways.
Thanks mate.

hang on!!!

A persuasive argument for Brexit at last.

A blue furry monster known as the ‘Brexit Monster’ makes an appearance in the port of Rotterdam, Netherlands December 1, 2020. REUTERS/Bart Biesemans

Just pop in the services pick up one of these and whilst your there speak to the ■■■■■■ who are totally clueless and useless, they could not answer a single question, didnt know what a ATA Carnet was, but did tell me I would have to display a GB on the front of the truck !! at that point I said do you know anything about this and they conceded, claiming it’s changing daily so for anyone planning to pop into one of the pop ups in the services DONT BOTHER WASTING YOUR TIME

gov.uk/guidance/transportin … r-hauliers

Is that handbook any different from this info ?

OwenMoney:
Transporting goods between Great Britain and the EU by RoRo freight: guidance for hauliers - GOV.UK

Is that handbook any different from this info ?

Probably not, if you read this book it’s written in such a way that I don’t think they know what’s going to happen, it’s a case of it could be this or then again it could be this ?

UK fishing industry caught between rock and hard place on trade talks

In the Devon fishing port of Brixham, some are already regretting the decision to back Brexit

Boris Johnson has vowed to take back control of the UK’s “spectacular maritime wealth” but at 6am on Monday in Brixham, England’s biggest fishing port by value, there is nervousness that the prime minister’s efforts to defend the industry in post-Brexit EU trade talks could end in disaster.

Ian Perkes is sitting at his computer screen by the harbour buying sole in an online auction to sell to markets across Europe. He fears that if Mr Johnson allows EU trade talks to collapse in a dispute about fisheries, the industry will face crippling tariffs in its main market on January 1 when the UK’s Brexit transition period ends.

“If the tariff was only 5 per cent we would be killed,” said Mr Perkes, the founder of a £5m-a-year fish exporting company. In fact, if trade talks collapse, the EU will soon be levying tariffs of 20 per cent on key catches like scallops.

The scene on Brixham quayside tells a story of Britain’s emotional but ultimately detached relationship with its fishing industry, which contributes about 0.1 per cent to the UK’s GDP, if processing is included.

Workers hose down boats, gut fish and pack boxes as the sun rises over the south Devon port, on England’s south-west coast — but the fish landed here are not, generally, heading for the dining tables and restaurants of Britain.

According to Mr Perkes, 80 per cent of the scallops, squid, sole, ray, langoustines and other delicacies landed here will be loaded on to trucks and sent straight to Calais and on to markets in France, Italy, Spain and Germany. Similarly, the herring and mackerel caught by Scottish boats are not staples on a UK shopping list.

The problem, rarely acknowledged by ministers, is that Britons do not much like the fish caught in the UK’s rich fishing waters. To the extent the country eats fish, it is mainly the “big five” of cod, haddock, tuna, salmon and prawns — most of which are imported.

So as trade talks with Brussels enter a decisive phase, Mr Johnson might secure more fish for UK boats but — without a trade deal — will they be able to sell them?

Leaving aside processing, fishing and aquaculture output slumped to just £75m in the third quarter, due mainly to the effects of Covid-19. By contrast, the independent Office for Budget Responsibility reported last week that a “no trade deal” Brexit would cost the economy 2 per cent of GDP next year.

But Mr Johnson recognises that fishing is not just about numbers. Even if Britons are not big fish eaters, the industry has a place in the nation’s psyche; some like to fall asleep listening to the BBC shipping forecast, evoking trawlers working distant storm-tossed waters.

A reminder of that visceral connection with the sea can be seen at the venerable “Man and Boy” statue on Brixham waterfront, now transformed into a shrine to Adam Harper, a young local who died when the scallop boat Joanna C overturned on November 21. Another crew member, Robert Morley, is still missing.

Mr Johnson’s fight for the restoration of fishing rights to UK fishermen after Britain leaves the EU’s common fisheries policy on January 1 is thus highly popular, especially in Scotland, which represents the biggest part of the UK industry.

EU chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier has suggested that the EU fishing fleet should accept a 15-18 per cent cut in its share of rights in UK waters; David Frost, the UK’s negotiator, wants to seize 80 per cent of the €650m worth of fishing rights.

Jim Portus, chief executive of the South West Fish Producers’ Organisation, said the boat owners he represented believed Brexit was a chance to redress historic wrongs; he said that France, for example, had 84 per cent of the cod quota in the English Channel.

Mr Portus claims new boats — or second-hand boats — could be acquired in months to take up the extra quota and he insisted that EU consumers would still buy the fish even with high tariffs after the transition period expired. He added: “For the catching sector, no deal is better than a bad deal that sacrifices the industry.”

But Mr Portus’s optimism is not shared by Mitch Tonks, a restaurateur behind the Rockfish chain and the upmarket Seahorse in Dartmouth, who said British consumers would not take up the slack if tariffs were imposed and reduced exports to the EU.

“The sale of the fish is as important as the fishing,” he said, on a regular early-morning tour of Brixham fish market. “You could end up with fish rotting on the docks.”

He said diners at his Rockfish outlets were gradually moving from traditional (imported) cod and chips to locally caught fish, but the transition would not make up for the loss of EU markets.

Mr Perkes, who set up his fish export business in 1976, is grappling with the paperwork required to sell into the EU single market after January 1 — paperwork that will be needed regardless of whether there is a trade deal.

“It’s a nightmare,” he said, noting that he will soon have to complete catch certificates and health certificates for each consignment to the EU, covering perhaps 30 different boats catching different species.

He has also been warned that each truck, carrying maybe £150,000 of fish supplied by a number of different exporting firms, could be turned back at Calais if all of the paperwork is not in order.

Sean Perkes, his brother, looks up from his trading screen and said that if there is no trade deal there will be trouble at the border. “If the French are losing their fishing quota, they will make life extremely difficult,” he added.

Ian Perkes, like most of the south-west fishing community, voted for Brexit as a means of taking back control of UK waters. “I wish I hadn’t,” he said. “I never looked at the implications of the paperwork. I was brainwashed.”

Tariffs on exports would — he fears — be a catastrophe for his business and the fishing boats that supply it. Barring a radical change in the dietary habits of Britain, he said the sector would be “stuffed”, adding: “If there’s no deal and there are tariffs, we are out of the game.”

ft.com/content/4f224474-460 … 5cf00c67bd

Whether or not Brexit is a good idea (spoiler alert: it’s not!) the Gov and it’s preparations are very lacking.
After years of repeated warnings from the cross party Public Accounts Committee they are still hiding their heads in the sand, paying private advisors, under funding civil service experts, and trying to pass the buck.
independent.co.uk/news/uk/p … 64669.html