BBC reports sources close to Number Ten say the UK will not be in any custom union with EU after Brexit.
Leaving aside any “rights or wrongs” it seems there will be, at the least, extra paperwork for Eu/UK traffic. Obviously nothing is clear yet (!) but that’s the current word.
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Don’t see why there should be any more delays than currently, if they actually checked all the lorries properly for illegals the delays would be severe already but that’s a different argument.
We are in the internet instant communication world now which is not how things were before free movement, no earthly reason why all the customs boxes can’t be ticked before the vehicle leaves the yard of loading, a simple bar code type system for swiping as the vehicle passes what will loosely pass for a frontier (Dart style) will suffice.
No way are the Germans going to allow delays to interfere in their economic ■■■■■■■■■■ of europe, and the Germans backed by their French poodle, are the EU master, they couldn’t rule by military force but with the usual collaboration from a certain type of politicians and apparatchiks in some countries, they have done so by economic force.
History repeats itself so often, how long till we see the book burnings here for example, led by the brainwashed socialist mobsters, just like last time in Germany?
The only problem i can see is if our leaders surrender further into utter capitulation in the negotiations, maybe hoping a one way street system where imports come straight in whilst exports have to be seen to be punished, this would suit most current leaders and politicians both here and in the EU in their quest to destroy and reverse Brexit.
I agree, there is no need for huge queues and checks, Bar codes and QR codes are sufficient. The Swiss system works well enough, we may need EUR 1 documents. If you catch a ferry to Holland, Belgium Spain or France, you are entering the EU, there should be no further obstacles at Aachen, Venlo, Luxembourg or La Jonquera apart from a cursory glance at our blue passport
Franglais:
BBC reports sources close to Number Ten say the UK will not be in any custom union with EU after Brexit.
Leaving aside any “rights or wrongs” it seems there will be, at the least, extra paperwork for Eu/UK traffic. Obviously nothing is clear yet (!) but that’s the current word.Sent from my GT-S7275R using Tapatalk
Have to say as a remainer I have long since stopped listening to the pro Brexit tosh that the BBC spill out daily…
However we are where we are so we have to try to make the best of it.
I agree with Juddian that we shouldn’t being seeing any bigger than delays at borders, than we do currently. The technology is in place so hopefully we can put it into place.
Darkside:
Franglais:
BBC reports sources close to Number Ten say the UK will not be in any custom union with EU after Brexit.
Leaving aside any “rights or wrongs” it seems there will be, at the least, extra paperwork for Eu/UK traffic. Obviously nothing is clear yet (!) but that’s the current word.Sent from my GT-S7275R using Tapatalk
Have to say as a remainer I have long since stopped listening to the pro Brexit tosh that the BBC spill out daily…
However we are where we are so we have to try to make the best of it.I agree with Juddian that we shouldn’t being seeing any bigger than delays at borders, than we do currently. The technology is in place so hopefully we can put it into place.
The Irish border interests me at the moment purely because a lot of our backloads and collections are for freight forwarding to Ireland so I’m intrigued how it will pan out.
Personally can’t see much difference in the part I do because companies are still going to buy/sell things and need them transporting but it’s the speed of the process that may suffer even though it theoretically shouldnt
It’s true that it’s not in our current trading partners interest to create extra barriers, neither is it in ours IMHO, but that’s where we’re going.
Can goods be pre-registeted etc? Sure!
Will such a system be designed, built, manned, up and running by March 2019? Can’t see it. With a two year transition? Maybe. Governments don’t have a good record of delivering computer systems, do they?
And the extra layer of bureaucracy, comes at a cost of hardware, gov employees and extra office workers for importers exporters and us, transporters.
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Wheel Nut:
I agree, there is no need for huge queues and checks, Bar codes and QR codes are sufficient. The Swiss system works well enough, we may need EUR 1 documents. If you catch a ferry to Holland, Belgium Spain or France, you are entering the EU, there should be no further obstacles at Aachen, Venlo, Luxembourg or La Jonquera apart from a cursory glance at our blue passport
As soon as we’re out…
The first lorries to be pulled over at every customs point going will be UK registered ones.
They’re entitled to random check anything they want, with any spurious reason they can concoct and they will sure as heckfire excercise that right.
yourhavingalarf:
Wheel Nut:
I agree, there is no need for huge queues and checks, Bar codes and QR codes are sufficient. The Swiss system works well enough, we may need EUR 1 documents. If you catch a ferry to Holland, Belgium Spain or France, you are entering the EU, there should be no further obstacles at Aachen, Venlo, Luxembourg or La Jonquera apart from a cursory glance at our blue passportAs soon as we’re out…
The first lorries to be pulled over at every customs point going will be UK registered ones.
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But there are very few customs points remaining, once you enter the EU you can drive seamlessly between member countries. When unification happened and the roads resurfaced you could hardly recognise Herleshausen or Magdeburg
Wheel Nut:
yourhavingalarf:
Wheel Nut:
I agree, there is no need for huge queues and checks, Bar codes and QR codes are sufficient. The Swiss system works well enough, we may need EUR 1 documents. If you catch a ferry to Holland, Belgium Spain or France, you are entering the EU, there should be no further obstacles at Aachen, Venlo, Luxembourg or La Jonquera apart from a cursory glance at our blue passportAs soon as we’re out…
The first lorries to be pulled over at every customs point going will be UK registered ones.
.But there are very few customs points remaining, once you enter the EU you can drive seamlessly between member countries. When unification happened and the roads resurfaced you could hardly recognise Herleshausen or Magdeburg
Bar codes and QR codes are not generated randomly. They are merely quick ways of representing information. They are links to online documents etc. And those docs etc are on pieces of expensive physical hardware, running software that needs to be produced by expensive experts, administered by civil servants, and have info provided by exporters importers and transporters. Staff and time costs money. Trucks may not stop at frontiers, but may be delayed waiting for relevant clearances. Thst happens now. Inevitably trade will cost more.
The lack of portakabins at frontiers hadnt stopped the Douanes from getting on their bikes (and cars etc) and making controls.
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Darkside:
…Have to say as a remainer I have long since stopped listening to the pro Brexit tosh that the BBC spill out daily…
BBC and “Pro Brexit”!!! Never thought I would see that in the same sentence! Which BBC have you been listening to? 
bullitt:
Darkside:
…Have to say as a remainer I have long since stopped listening to the pro Brexit tosh that the BBC spill out daily…
Pretend for a moment that the Beeb is unbiased:
An Anti Brexiteer speaks. Mr D quietly nods, Mr B shouts and gets upset. Mr B will have a stronger memory than Mr D.
A Pro Brexit speaker and situation is reversed. Mr B notices him more than Mr D.
Add to that our own biases about where “neutral” and “middle of the road” are, and it’s difficult to find any measure of independent information.
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Franglais:
Wheel Nut:
yourhavingalarf:
Wheel Nut:
I agree, there is no need for huge queues and checks, Bar codes and QR codes are sufficient. The Swiss system works well enough, we may need EUR 1 documents. If you catch a ferry to Holland, Belgium Spain or France, you are entering the EU, there should be no further obstacles at Aachen, Venlo, Luxembourg or La Jonquera apart from a cursory glance at our blue passportAs soon as we’re out…
The first lorries to be pulled over at every customs point going will be UK registered ones.
.But there are very few customs points remaining, once you enter the EU you can drive seamlessly between member countries. When unification happened and the roads resurfaced you could hardly recognise Herleshausen or Magdeburg
Bar codes and QR codes are not generated randomly. They are merely quick ways of representing information. They are links to online documents etc. And those docs etc are on pieces of expensive physical hardware, running software that needs to be produced by expensive experts, administered by civil servants, and have info provided by exporters importers and transporters. Staff and time costs money. Trucks may not stop at frontiers, but may be delayed waiting for relevant clearances. Thst happens now. Inevitably trade will cost more.
The lack of portakabins at frontiers hadnt stopped the Douanes from getting on their bikes (and cars etc) and making controls.Sent from my GT-S7275R using Tapatalk
I am thinking in particular a couple of regular jobs I have done to Switzerland. Both factories gave me a single invoice and a CMR. I drove to Lord Warden House and handed them the invoice, they married it up to the records on their computers. Two minutes later I was collecting an EUR1 and handed it to customs. By the time I had got a coffee my registration was on the TV screen. I was handed a CHIEF document that accompanied the load. In Bardonnex Basel or Koblenz this document was handed to any agent and I was cleared in 10 to 15 minutes. As I say a simple process, the paperwork was sent electronically from the UK
Franglais:
bullitt:
Darkside:
Pretend for a moment that the Beeb is unbiased:
bullitt:
Darkside:
…Have to say as a remainer I have long since stopped listening to the pro Brexit tosh that the BBC spill out daily…
Just what i was going to say!! Unbelievable!!!
Juddian:
Franglais:
bullitt:
Darkside:
Pretend for a moment that the Beeb is unbiased:
Well.
It raised a smile anyway! [emoji3]
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Wheel Nut:
Franglais:
Wheel Nut:
yourhavingalarf:
Wheel Nut:
I agree, there is no need for huge queues and checks, Bar codes and QR codes are sufficient. The Swiss system works well enough, we may need EUR 1 documents. If you catch a ferry to Holland, Belgium Spain or France, you are entering the EU, there should be no further obstacles at Aachen, Venlo, Luxembourg or La Jonquera apart from a cursory glance at our blue passportAs soon as we’re out…
The first lorries to be pulled over at every customs point going will be UK registered ones.
.But there are very few customs points remaining, once you enter the EU you can drive seamlessly between member countries. When unification happened and the roads resurfaced you could hardly recognise Herleshausen or Magdeburg
Bar codes and QR codes are not generated randomly. They are merely quick ways of representing information. They are links to online documents etc. And those docs etc are on pieces of expensive physical hardware, running software that needs to be produced by expensive experts, administered by civil servants, and have info provided by exporters importers and transporters. Staff and time costs money. Trucks may not stop at frontiers, but may be delayed waiting for relevant clearances. Thst happens now. Inevitably trade will cost more.
The lack of portakabins at frontiers hadnt stopped the Douanes from getting on their bikes (and cars etc) and making controls.Sent from my GT-S7275R using Tapatalk
I am thinking in particular a couple of regular jobs I have done to Switzerland. Both factories gave me a single invoice and a CMR. I drove to Lord Warden House and handed them the invoice, they married it up to the records on their computers. Two minutes later I was collecting an EUR1 and handed it to customs. By the time I had got a coffee my registration was on the TV screen. I was handed a CHIEF document that accompanied the load. In Bardonnex Basel or Koblenz this document was handed to any agent and I was cleared in 10 to 15 minutes. As I say a simple process, the paperwork was sent electronically from the UK
Not arguing with that.
I’m saying that code comes at a cost. Leaving any duties/taxes aside it costs money to produce that code to get you over the frontier. Even zero taxed goods will cost more because of administration increases. We as drivers may not see it, (hopefully) but it’ll still be there.
And do you expect that code to work 100% of the time? I repeat we’re dealing with gov agencies. I must admit that CHIEF does seem to work well, but has it the capacity to handle all current Eu trade?
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Wheel Nut:
I am thinking in particular a couple of regular jobs I have done to Switzerland. Both factories gave me a single invoice and a CMR. I drove to Lord Warden House and handed them the invoice, they married it up to the records on their computers. Two minutes later I was collecting an EUR1 and handed it to customs. By the time I had got a coffee my registration was on the TV screen. I was handed a CHIEF document that accompanied the load. In Bardonnex Basel or Koblenz this document was handed to any agent and I was cleared in 10 to 15 minutes. As I say a simple process, the paperwork was sent electronically from the UK
This is for material going outside EU, which amount to a smaller part of goods.
If customs is to process every vehicle outbound like this, the amount to be processed, will be a lot more, so waiting time will increase.
As will the number of vehicles requiring parking space for that coffee time to go through customs.
You will also need parking space for all vehicles coming in, even if it is only for 15 minutes.
At the moment, nor parking, nor staff are available.
If Britain wants to be ready for Brexit by 2019, it has to take decisions now, in stead of arguing amongst themselves in parliament.
Waiting makes it worse for and brexiteers and remainers.
Steady on Bald, this is Britain we’re talking about where we couldn’t run a national ■■■■ up in a brewery unless the EU collective mummy and the ECHR sat for 14 years in deliberation (between the important stuff like awarding itself luscious pay and benefit rises), we have history of electing various traitors half wits and illiberal socialists (who award their cronies and benefactors peerages and arrange their own troughing) and somewhere among this motley crew are a smattering of decent MP’s banging their heads against the wall at the antics of the rest.
You expect this lot ^^^ to have a plan other than for their own trousers pockets 
Sounds good to me…Used to love arriving at the agents at midday friday in Zona Franca…to be told…Come back on Monday cant wait for those days to reappear. 