truckyboy:
Sounds good to me…Used to love arriving at the agents at midday friday in Zona Franca…to be told…Come back on Mondaycant wait for those days to reappear.
Zona Franca in the sun [emoji2]
Waiting to join the queue to get into a non existent parking space in Dover in February?
Not enough? Queuing to join the parking area at UK customs in Calais…!
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Juddian:
Steady on Bald, this is Britain we’re talking about where we couldn’t run a national ■■■■ up in a brewery unless the EU collective mummy and the ECHR sat for 14 years in deliberation (between the important stuff like awarding itself luscious pay and benefit rises), we have history of electing various traitors half wits and illiberal socialists (who award their cronies and benefactors peerages and arrange their own troughing) and somewhere among this motley crew are a smattering of decent MP’s banging their heads against the wall at the antics of the rest.You expect this lot ^^^ to have a plan other than for their own trousers pockets
Politicians everywhere are all the same, and in Belgium we have a lot more then our fair share of dipsticks, (we do have 5 gouvernements for 11 million inhabitans) 
But I do admit, the british must have done something realy wrong to deserve this lot… 
Franglais:
Zona Franca in the sun [emoji2]
Waiting to join the queue to get into a non existent parking space in Dover in February?
Not enough? Queuing to join the parking area at UK customs in Calais…!Sent from my GT-S7275R using Tapatalk
In case of a hard brexit, I doubt there will still be british customs in Calais.
bald:
Juddian:
Steady on Bald, this is Britain we’re talking about where we couldn’t run a national ■■■■ up in a brewery unless the EU collective mummy and the ECHR sat for 14 years in deliberation (between the important stuff like awarding itself luscious pay and benefit rises), we have history of electing various traitors half wits and illiberal socialists (who award their cronies and benefactors peerages and arrange their own troughing) and somewhere among this motley crew are a smattering of decent MP’s banging their heads against the wall at the antics of the rest.You expect this lot ^^^ to have a plan other than for their own trousers pockets
Politicians everywhere are all the same, and in Belgium we have a lot more then our fair share of dipsticks, (we do have 5 gouvernements for 11 million inhabitans)
But I do admit, the british must have done something realy wrong to deserve this lot…Franglais:
Zona Franca in the sun [emoji2]
Waiting to join the queue to get into a non existent parking space in Dover in February?
Not enough? Queuing to join the parking area at UK customs in Calais…!Sent from my GT-S7275R using Tapatalk
In case of a hard brexit, I doubt there will still be british customs in Calais.
No British customs in Calais is a distinct possibility of course. Pointless saying that the agreement is a bilateral one rather than an Eu one, it’s still gotta be a bargaining chip hasn’t it?
And how much is it worth to keep it in France rather than Kent? There’s the money plus the influence of voters in the UK. It’s a big lever.
Still no need to worry. The politicos have already waved their arms about vaguely and said “it’ll be OK”, so that’s fine then.
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Juddian:
The only problem i can see is if our leaders surrender further into utter capitulation in the negotiations, maybe hoping a one way street system where imports come straight in whilst exports have to be seen to be punished, this would suit most current leaders and politicians both here and in the EU in their quest to destroy and reverse Brexit.
To be fair they couldn’t really capitulate any further than they’ve already done.As expected having put two committed remainers in the driving seat.As for the border with the EU,the idea that we must remain in the EU to keep trade moving across borders is as stupid as saying that Canada has to be ruled by the US senate and presidency to avoid being put under effective seige by the US.It’s time that people realised the extent of this sinister takeover of Europe by a bunch of unelected dictatorial control freaks.Just how the Germans like it.
Franglais:
…Still no need to worry. The politicos have already waved their arms about vaguely and said “it’ll be OK”, so that’s fine then.
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Juddian:
Franglais:
bullitt:
Darkside:
Pretend for a moment that the Beeb is unbiased:
My thoughts exactly 
Don’t get me wrong, my thoughts were a discussion point, I realise there is an awful lot of blue sky thinking to be done and many heads to bang together. I foresee 15 miles of standing traffic on the hard shoulder like we had in Furth, Waidhaus and Cheb those needing sleep will be overtaken whilst the keenest will get to the front [emoji23]
Le Touquet is not decided either way yet.
Franglais:
No British customs in Calais is a distinct possibility of course. Pointless saying that the agreement is a bilateral one rather than an Eu one, it’s still gotta be a bargaining chip hasn’t it?
And how much is it worth to keep it in France rather than Kent? There’s the money plus the influence of voters in the UK. It’s a big lever.
Still no need to worry. The politicos have already waved their arms about vaguely and said “it’ll be OK”, so that’s fine then.Sent from my GT-S7275R using Tapatalk
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nothing written in stone and guarantee its all going to go ■■■■ up. Big hold ups at Calais are sure to be in the pipeline…
There won’t be any hold-ups any more than there were prior to the great wage stagnation in the 90’s.
We’ve got more EU trucks on our roads right now than ever before, because the EU can flout our minimum wage laws, not pay our local taxes, including fuel duty, and not even sniff at paying road fund licence.
…all the while creating even more potholes than the DUP can ever wish to get funded to fix. 
Bring Back Hoverspeed, Sealink, and Sally! 
Franglais:
bald:
Juddian:
Steady on Bald, this is Britain we’re talking about where we couldn’t run a national ■■■■ up in a brewery unless the EU collective mummy and the ECHR sat for 14 years in deliberation (between the important stuff like awarding itself luscious pay and benefit rises), we have history of electing various traitors half wits and illiberal socialists (who award their cronies and benefactors peerages and arrange their own troughing) and somewhere among this motley crew are a smattering of decent MP’s banging their heads against the wall at the antics of the rest.You expect this lot ^^^ to have a plan other than for their own trousers pockets
Politicians everywhere are all the same, and in Belgium we have a lot more then our fair share of dipsticks, (we do have 5 gouvernements for 11 million inhabitans)
But I do admit, the british must have done something realy wrong to deserve this lot…Franglais:
Zona Franca in the sun [emoji2]
Waiting to join the queue to get into a non existent parking space in Dover in February?
Not enough? Queuing to join the parking area at UK customs in Calais…!Sent from my GT-S7275R using Tapatalk
In case of a hard brexit, I doubt there will still be british customs in Calais.
No British customs in Calais is a distinct possibility of course. Pointless saying that the agreement is a bilateral one rather than an Eu one, it’s still gotta be a bargaining chip hasn’t it?
And how much is it worth to keep it in France rather than Kent? There’s the money plus the influence of voters in the UK. It’s a big lever.
Still no need to worry. The politicos have already waved their arms about vaguely and said “it’ll be OK”, so that’s fine then.Sent from my GT-S7275R using Tapatalk
If our border is going to be in Calais, we might as well ask Le Pen if we can annex it, and have the border on the south side of town, inland! 
toonsy:
The Irish border interests me at the moment purely because a lot of our backloads and collections are for freight forwarding to Ireland so I’m intrigued how it will pan out.Personally can’t see much difference in the part I do because companies are still going to buy/sell things and need them transporting but it’s the speed of the process that may suffer even though it theoretically shouldnt
Could end up being a real pain in the ballicks!!!
Went out Dublin 0215Stena Mon and back right now on Tue 0855 Stena Holyhead so we would be well shafted.
Atm can make Lurgan to Dublin port in 2hrs dead.
Combine with Stena Belfast bringing a new much bigger boat soon but going to drop a couple of sailing times!!![emoji52]
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Wheel Nut:
I agree, there is no need for huge queues and checks, Bar codes and QR codes are sufficient. The Swiss system works well enough, we may need EUR 1 documents. If you catch a ferry to Holland, Belgium Spain or France, you are entering the EU, there should be no further obstacles at Aachen, Venlo, Luxembourg or La Jonquera apart from a cursory glance at our blue passport
As soon as we’re out…
The first lorries to be pulled over at every customs point going will be UK registered ones.
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But there are very few customs points remaining, once you enter the EU you can drive seamlessly between member countries. When unification happened and the roads resurfaced you could hardly recognise Herleshausen or Magdeburg
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Bar codes and QR codes are not generated randomly. They are merely quick ways of representing information. They are links to online documents etc. And those docs etc are on pieces of expensive physical hardware, running software that needs to be produced by expensive experts, administered by civil servants, and have info provided by exporters importers and transporters. Staff and time costs money. Trucks may not stop at frontiers, but may be delayed waiting for relevant clearances. Thst happens now. Inevitably trade will cost more.
The lack of portakabins at frontiers hadnt stopped the Douanes from getting on their bikes (and cars etc) and making controls.
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I am thinking in particular a couple of regular jobs I have done to Switzerland. Both factories gave me a single invoice and a CMR. I drove to Lord Warden House and handed them the invoice, they married it up to the records on their computers. Two minutes later I was collecting an EUR1 and handed it to customs. By the time I had got a coffee my registration was on the TV screen. I was handed a CHIEF document that accompanied the load. In Bardonnex Basel or Koblenz this document was handed to any agent and I was cleared in 10 to 15 minutes. As I say a simple process, the paperwork was sent electronically from the UK
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you do know that switzerland is in the shengen area and the single market?
chrisdalott:
you do know that switzerland is in the shengen area and the single market?
You do know that Swiss sovereignty still so far trumps all of its trade agreements with the EU.Which probably explains this.
youtube.com/watch?v=ukzHbBHHLAQ
youtube.com/watch?v=DY81YAC2n7U
As for Schengen firstly that has nothing to do with EU membership while it seems strange how Swiss still maintains manned border points with its EU neighbours while the conditions say the border should only exist on a map which usually means a sign post.Some sign post.
more project fear bollox from the biased MSM and BBC
chrisdalott:
Wheel Nut:
I agree, there is no need for huge queues and checks, Bar codes and QR codes are sufficient. The Swiss system works well enough, we may need EUR 1 documents. If you catch a ferry to Holland, Belgium Spain or France, you are entering the EU, there should be no further obstacles at Aachen, Venlo, Luxembourg or La Jonquera apart from a cursory glance at our blue passportAs soon as we’re out…
The first lorries to be pulled over at every customs point going will be UK registered ones.
.
But there are very few customs points remaining, once you enter the EU you can drive seamlessly between member countries. When unification happened and the roads resurfaced you could hardly recognise Herleshausen or Magdeburg
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Bar codes and QR codes are not generated randomly. They are merely quick ways of representing information. They are links to online documents etc. And those docs etc are on pieces of expensive physical hardware, running software that needs to be produced by expensive experts, administered by civil servants, and have info provided by exporters importers and transporters. Staff and time costs money. Trucks may not stop at frontiers, but may be delayed waiting for relevant clearances. Thst happens now. Inevitably trade will cost more.
The lack of portakabins at frontiers hadnt stopped the Douanes from getting on their bikes (and cars etc) and making controls.
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I am thinking in particular a couple of regular jobs I have done to Switzerland. Both factories gave me a single invoice and a CMR. I drove to Lord Warden House and handed them the invoice, they married it up to the records on their computers. Two minutes later I was collecting an EUR1 and handed it to customs. By the time I had got a coffee my registration was on the TV screen. I was handed a CHIEF document that accompanied the load. In Bardonnex Basel or Koblenz this document was handed to any agent and I was cleared in 10 to 15 minutes. As I say a simple process, the paperwork was sent electronically from the UK
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you do know that switzerland is in the shengen area and the single market?
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Switzerland is in Schengen.
It is in EFTA but not the EU.
It is not an open border.
Franglais:
chrisdalott:
I am thinking in particular a couple of regular jobs I have done to Switzerland. Both factories gave me a single invoice and a CMR. I drove to Lord Warden House and handed them the invoice, they married it up to the records on their computers. Two minutes later I was collecting an EUR1 and handed it to customs. By the time I had got a coffee my registration was on the TV screen. I was handed a CHIEF document that accompanied the load. In Bardonnex Basel or Koblenz this document was handed to any agent and I was cleared in 10 to 15 minutes. As I say a simple process, the paperwork was sent electronically from the UKyou do know that switzerland is in the shengen area and the single market?
Switzerland is in Schengen.
It is in EFTA but not the EU.
It is not an open border.
I never really understood much of that so I Googled and was extremely surprised at what I read.
My question now is “Was I not listening properly to the experts and politicians or is Wikipedia total BS??”
From Wiki;
“From the perspective of the EU, the treaties largely contain the same content as the EEA treaties, making Switzerland a virtual member of the EEA. Most EU law applies universally throughout the EU, the EEA and Switzerland, providing most of the conditions of the free movement of people, goods, services and capital that apply to full member states. Switzerland pays into the EU budget and extended the bilateral treaties to the new EU member states, just like full members did, although each extension requires the approval of Swiss voters in a referendum.”
The quotes have become a bit mixed up, but let’s try and sort it out.
Firstly I better say that it’s over ten yrs since I’ve tipped/loaded/transited Swiss so I haven’t and won’t make any comments about exactly how it works on the ground. I did say “it’s not an open border”. Wheelnut made the post about the documents needed and I am sure he’s right.
Having tax free goods doesn’t mean “documentation free goods”. So long as there are items that are taxed between Swiss and the EU there’s need for docs to prove exemption isn’t there?
As I read the statement from Downing St we’ll be further away from the EU than the Swiss are? But that’s all as clear as mud at the moment to be honest. Lots of commentators and politocos are confusing proposals with promises, plans, and wish fulfillment it seems.
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European Free Trade Agreement = EFTA.
Schengen is more to do with people rather than goods.
One thing I do keep hearing is about EC EU driving hours. I can almost guarantee that nothing will change apart from the name. We will still be running under AETR or domestic.
Wheel Nut:
One thing I do keep hearing is about EC EU driving hours. I can almost guarantee that nothing will change apart from the name. We will still be running under AETR or domestic.
Are you sure?
Someone told me we’ll be running 11hour drives on twelve’n’alf spreads without tachos using log books!
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