Tankers

[8wheels]

Two things

I followed a fuel tanker through the Dartford Tunnel the other day, he’d come out of the compound before the tolls but then went through as normal not stopping at the layby to wait for an ■■■■■■. He was placarded with 1203 boards, so presumably he should have stopped?

Same day I was stopped at ■■■■■■■ services on the M23 and there was an Asda Scania ADR unit pulling a double deck curtainsider, seemed a bit odd is that usual?

Cheers

[pimpdaddy]

8wheels:
there was an Asda Scania ADR unit pulling a double deck curtainsider, seemed a bit odd is that usual?

Yes it’s the norm now, see them do it now & again…

[8wheels]

Looked odd, I clocked the green light to start with then noticed it was a flat top R series with folded up orange boards. I’d imagine an ADR spec vehicle would be a lot more expensive than a standard one, seems like a funny way to use your resources.

[green456]

8wheels:
Looked odd, I clocked the green light to start with then noticed it was a flat top R series with folded up orange boards. I’d imagine an ADR spec vehicle would be a lot more expensive than a standard one, seems like a funny way to use your resources.

Seems a sensible way to use resources to me.
Planner 1 says to gaffer . I aint got no fuel for joe to deliver today shall I give him day off paid.
Gaffer says let me think about it.
Planner 2 says to Gaffer I aint got a wagon or driver to do this urgent load of groceries, should I hire a truck and get an agency driver
gaffer says he has a plan to use the available resources

[fodentanker]

8wheels:
Two things

I followed a fuel tanker through the Dartford Tunnel the other day, he’d come out of the compound before the tolls but then went through as normal not stopping at the layby to wait for an ■■■■■■. He was placarded with 1203 boards, so presumably he should have

Cheers

1203 Should have an ■■■■■■ through the Dartford Tunnel

1202 Diesel, 1223 Kerosene, 1863 Aviation among others only require the vehicle to stop in the Marshalling Area before the Tunnel then through without an ■■■■■■.

Maybe the driver forgot what his last load consisted of.

[the_maoster]

Been a few years since I pulled 1203 but (and I stand to be corrected) I think that diesel travels on this un number now also, if that’s the case he’ll have gone through the compound to confirm his load and carried on without ■■■■■■ as it’s not required.

Edit: just read Fodentankers post as I pressed submit, so ignore me I’m a fuel. ( do you see what I did there?

[8wheels]

green456:

8wheels:
Looked odd, I clocked the green light to start with then noticed it was a flat top R series with folded up orange boards. I’d imagine an ADR spec vehicle would be a lot more expensive than a standard one, seems like a funny way to use your resources.

Seems a sensible way to use resources to me.
Planner 1 says to gaffer . I aint got no fuel for joe to deliver today shall I give him day off paid.
Gaffer says let me think about it.
Planner 2 says to Gaffer I aint got a wagon or driver to do this urgent load of groceries, should I hire a truck and get an agency driver
gaffer says he has a plan to use the available resources

I assumed the tankers were based at a terminal rather than a DC.

fodentanker:

8wheels:
Two things

I followed a fuel tanker through the Dartford Tunnel the other day, he’d come out of the compound before the tolls but then went through as normal not stopping at the layby to wait for an ■■■■■■. He was placarded with 1203 boards, so presumably he should have

Cheers

1203 Should have an ■■■■■■ through the Dartford Tunnel

1202 Diesel, 1223 Kerosene, 1863 Aviation among others only require the vehicle to stop in the Marshalling Area before the Tunnel then through without an ■■■■■■.

Maybe the driver forgot what his last load consisted of.

I’ve never seen anything with orange boards go through direct, assumed they stopped the lot.

[pimpdaddy]

I thought Asda fuel was run by DHL, if that’s the case it makes sense because you see them using BQ & knowhow units etc…

8wheels:
I assumed the tankers were based at a terminal rather than a DC.

Not all of them so I’ve heard, costs less to park in ones own property than at a refinery.

[dieseldave]

the maoster:
Been a few years since I pulled 1203 but (and I stand to be corrected) I think that diesel travels on this un number now also, if that’s the case he’ll have gone through the compound to confirm his load and carried on without ■■■■■■ as it’s not required.

Hi the maoster,

Although diesel is UN 1202, you’re not wrong that it can travel as UN 1203… here’s how…

The following only applies to UN 1202 (diesel,) UN 1203 (petrol) and UN 1223 (kerosene) on UK national carriage performed by a UK vehicle and is based on the flashpoints of the substances.
(So it doesn’t apply to foreign vehicles OR international journeys )

• If UN 1202, UN 1203 and UN 1223 are carried on board the same multi-compartmented tanker, then the whole load is marked as a full load of the most dangerous of the three substances ie UN 1203.

• If UN 1202 and UN 1223 are carried on board the same multi-compartmented tanker, then the whole load is marked as a full load of the most dangerous of the two substances ie UN 1223.

• If only UN 1202 is carried on board a tanker, (including if it’s multi-compartmented) then the whole load is marked as a full load of UN 1202.

The above is UK law. [CDG 2009 (as amended) Reg.6(3) and Schedule 1]

This is why there are adjustable Hazard Warning Panels fitted to most UK multi-compartmented fuel tankers, such as the one in the following picture:

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If the journey is an international journey (regulated by ADR,) then two more UN numbers (for aviation fuel) are added to the three above, so the above list then expands to include UN 1268 and UN 1863.
ADR 5.3.2.1.3 allows the multi-load marking rules to be simplified in exactly the same way as UK law does when carrying substances authorised in a specific list.

[the_maoster]

Cheers DD, so I’m not going mad just yet then! I was pretty sure thar whilst at Imperial our Dieseldogs used the same labels for both products once the white labels disappeared for Derv.

[dieseldave]

the maoster:
Cheers DD, so I’m not going mad just yet then! I was pretty sure thar whilst at Imperial our Dieseldogs used the same labels for both products once the white labels disappeared for Derv.

Hi mate,

No, you’re not mad… in fact you seem blessed with an excellent memory.

You mentioned Imperial… would that be the one at Billingham?

If so, I was on there for a little while in 1999/2000 ish.
I carried refrigerated liquefied CO2 outbased at Stanlow.

[the_maoster]

dieseldave:

the maoster:
Cheers DD, so I’m not going mad just yet then! I was pretty sure thar whilst at Imperial our Dieseldogs used the same labels for both products once the white labels disappeared for Derv.

Hi mate,

No, you’re not mad… in fact you seem blessed with an excellent memory.

You mentioned Imperial… would that be the one at Billingham?

If so, I was on there for a little while in 1999/2000 ish.
I carried refrigerated liquefied CO2 outbased at Stanlow.

I know you did . You showed me how to go on about loading at your place the first time I went there! I did the co2 for a bit and then was one of the two cowboys with the 3 potters working on contract for Ellis & Everard.n

[dieseldave]

the maoster:

dieseldave:

the maoster:
Cheers DD, so I’m not going mad just yet then! I was pretty sure thar whilst at Imperial our Dieseldogs used the same labels for both products once the white labels disappeared for Derv.

Hi mate,

No, you’re not mad… in fact you seem blessed with an excellent memory.

You mentioned Imperial… would that be the one at Billingham?

If so, I was on there for a little while in 1999/2000 ish.
I carried refrigerated liquefied CO2 outbased at Stanlow.

I know you did . You showed me how to go on about loading at your place the first time I went there! I did the co2 for a bit and then was one of the two cowboys with the 3 potters working on contract for Ellis & Everard.n

Advantage to the maoster… you got me fair and square with that one…

I didn’t realise that we’d met.

[daf95xf]

Pimpdaddy:
I thought Asda fuel was run by DHL, if that’s the case it makes sense because you see them using BQ & knowhow units etc…

8wheels:
I assumed the tankers were based at a terminal rather than a DC.

Not all of them so I’ve heard, costs less to park in ones own property than at a refinery.

Tesco park their tankers in DCs - at Southampton they do anyway…

[the_maoster]

dieseldave:
Advantage to the maoster… you got me fair and square with that one…

I didn’t realise that we’d met.

That’s ok Dave, I’m immensely forgettable!

[8wheels]

dieseldave:

the maoster:
Been a few years since I pulled 1203 but (and I stand to be corrected) I think that diesel travels on this un number now also, if that’s the case he’ll have gone through the compound to confirm his load and carried on without ■■■■■■ as it’s not required.

Hi the maoster,

Although diesel is UN 1202, you’re not wrong that it can travel as UN 1203… here’s how…

The following only applies to UN 1202 (diesel,) UN 1203 (petrol) and UN 1223 (kerosene) on UK national carriage performed by a UK vehicle and is based on the flashpoints of the substances.
(So it doesn’t apply to foreign vehicles OR international journeys )

• If UN 1202, UN 1203 and UN 1223 are carried on board the same multi-compartmented tanker, then the whole load is marked as a full load of the most dangerous of the three substances ie UN 1203.

• If UN 1202 and UN 1223 are carried on board the same multi-compartmented tanker, then the whole load is marked as a full load of the most dangerous of the two substances ie UN 1223.

• If only UN 1202 is carried on board a tanker, (including if it’s multi-compartmented) then the whole load is marked as a full load of UN 1202.

The above is UK law. [CDG 2009 (as amended) Reg.6(3) and Schedule 1]

This is why there are adjustable Hazard Warning Panels fitted to most UK multi-compartmented fuel tankers, such as the one in the following picture:

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====================================================

If the journey is an international journey (regulated by ADR,) then two more UN numbers (for aviation fuel) are added to the three above, so the above list then expands to include UN 1268 and UN 1863.
ADR 5.3.2.1.3 allows the multi-load marking rules to be simplified in exactly the same way as UK law does when carrying substances authorised in a specific list.

My head hurts

All I wanted was to be told that he was a naughty boy

[dieseldave]

8wheels:
My head hurts

Yes 8wheels, I can see how that would happen, but that post was aimed at the maoster.

8wheels:
All I wanted was to be told that he was a naughty boy

I’d love to oblige, but it’s quite possible he was perfectly correct.

But just to aim at answering your question a bit more… ADR allows all three substances through the Dartford tunnel, but the tunnel authorities use ‘company policy’ or some other rule so that they can require petrol tankers to be escorted, whilst the other substances are allowed through relatively unhindered.

Or to put it another way, if all three substances are on board a tanker at the same time, then they’ll probably want it escorted. However, it’s possible that the driver’s paperwork was correct and there was no petrol on board, but the driver might have simply forgotten to adjust his adjustable markings hence you seeing “1203.”