what would you do
got to one of my drops and the talk was of the driver who,d pulled out turned right and crashing down came trailer fully loaded, they managed to right it but according to them its a write off[ hadnt put clip on or gave it a couple of tugs]. he was then given another unit and obviously rattled reversed under pin and straight into back of cab smashing air deflectors, he was then given another unit and according to them then sent out on longish night trunk run.
just intrested to know from tms, extms etc what youd have done, would you have sent him out or what would you have done 
IT is not possible/right shall we say to make
a decision for or against,as one should have
meet the person,and worked with kim or her
first.From what your first sentence says about
the trailer dropping,it sounds as if the person
in question was not correctly checked out when
joining the firm, IF this person has only just passed
the test for these vehicles of course he/she requires
time and training,and lets be honest,that takes more
than a day,no ONE IS PERFECT and we allmake mistakes
which can with training be kept to the minimum,and if the
person then does another misshap,surely it is wiser tostop
think why has it happened and do some thing about it,
AFTER the second incident, they should have given the
person time to get themselves to gether,and then yes if
the trust is still their and the person is willing send them out.
HOWEVER,these accidents happen andonly good training
and the firms own introduction will help improve situations
like this,A BETTER TRAINED DRIVER IS A SAFER DRIVER
brit pete:
IT is not possible/right shall we say to makea decision for or against,as one should have
meet the person,and worked with kim or her
first.From what your first sentence says about
the trailer dropping,it sounds as if the person
in question was not correctly checked out when
joining the firm, IF this person has only just passed
the test for these vehicles of course he/she requires
time and training,and lets be honest,that takes more
than a day,no ONE IS PERFECT and we allmake mistakes
which can with training be kept to the minimum,and if the
person then does another misshap,surely it is wiser tostop
think why has it happened and do some thing about it,
AFTER the second incident, they should have given the
person time to get themselves to gether,and then yes if
the trust is still their and the person is willing send them out.
HOWEVER,these accidents happen andonly good training
and the firms own introduction will help improve situations
like this,A BETTER TRAINED DRIVER IS A SAFER DRIVER
the last bit worries me pete, if the person is willing send him out , to me after those two incidents the alarm bells would be ringing, somethings not right, could be hes not taking well to nights , but send him out whether he wanted to or not to me would not of been a good decision i.m.h.o[ unless you sent another driver with him to double check what hes doing] . which is what my thoughts were at the time , should he then of gone on his own, i dont think so
THIS from ady1
the last bit worries me pete, if the person is willing send him out , to me after those two incidents the alarm bells would be ringing, somethings not right, could be hes not taking well to nights , but send him out whether he wanted to or not to me would not of been a good decision i.m.h.o[ unless you sent another driver with him to double check what hes doing] . which is what my thoughts were at the time , should he then of gone on his own, i dont think so
YES AND NO, as i said you have eithe rworked or known the person
concerned,and although I would agree with you as regards sending
him out with an other driver, IF i did not know the person, this is very
rarely carried out by firms due to the magic word COSTS and PROFIT;:
IT comes back to the point training and also inhouse training
but no one or shall we say only a small number fo firms carry this out
we wish to call ourselves professionals bit even F1 drivers do in
housetraining to reduce the risks of makeing a mistake and haveing a
accident
Our procedures at work are pretty clear. When a person drops a trailer (s)he will be retrained first before allowed to continue with their duties.
If a person is involved in an accident (not necessarily a RTA, but for example denting/scraping a trailer/truck), the same applies - retraining before commencing their duties.
All such incidents are kept on a database. If a driver has too many similar mishaps in a year (e.g. dropping a trailer quite often), he will be dealt with through the disciplinary procedure, or, if an agency driver, barred from site.
Mark 
ady1:
what would you do
got to one of my drops and the talk was of the driver who,d pulled out turned right and crashing down came trailer fully loaded, they managed to right it but according to them its a write off[ hadnt put clip on or gave it a couple of tugs]. he was then given another unit and obviously rattled reversed under pin and straight into back of cab smashing air deflectors, he was then given another unit and according to them then sent out on longish night trunk run.
just intrested to know from tms, extms etc what youd have done, would you have sent him out or what would you have done
If it was Reed Boardall, then judging by the time a driver lost a trailer and it ended up in the ditch having gone off the bridge joining the two yards, they’d have given him a 56 plate and sent him on his way.
Sounds like the guy was in a blind rage, not just rattled. Perhaps a word in his ear and a bit of self control and Interlog’s re-training should be applied?
I have transport management experience at FLM level, and I would have certainly not have allowed him to carry on.
He’d have gone home with pay, and I’d have invited him to come back for a chat about what happened after he’d chilled out a little. The next day, probably.
I would establish what he felt the correct procedures were.
Then I would have explained the correct procedures, and gone into the yard and done it for real if necessary. Because this guy obviously was doing something wrong.
You do not send somebody out when they have just done this - no matter how urgent the load is.
^^^^^^^ totally agree
ady1:
…driver who,d pulled out turned right and crashing down came trailer fully loaded, they managed to right it but according to them its a write off… …he was then given another unit and obviously rattled reversed under pin and straight into back of cab smashing air deflectors…
The first incident would be worrying enough, but to have another incident from the obviously stressed driver makes it even worse.
Different companies handle it differently but he could end up having a “meeting” with his TM over “advisory training” to stop such things happening in future.
Then again, if I’d trashed a truck, and then reversed it into another I’d probably be sent home for the week pending an “investigation”. But then again, I’m already being paranoid 