Newbie (possibly) with questions

Hi All,

I have been tinkering with the idea of becoming a truck driver now for the last 6 months. I’m currently locked in a office which I have done for the last 3 years (well and truly fed up), my previous job was sales based and involved seeing cutomers around the country. I eventually tired of this though I still miss being out on the road.

I’m currently tempted to go for the 20 Hour Class 2 plus 16 Hour Class 1 (C & C+E) training at Surepass (Manchester area). This is just over £1800. Doing both c and C+E together seems to be most recommended.

My currently questions on this are probably the usual ones, though I have spent the last 3 hours looking through this and other forums:

  1. Do Surepass have a good reputation as I cannot find a negative word about them?

  2. I’m currently 31 years old, presumably I would have no problems getting a job at this age?

  3. I’m based in the Warrington/Manchester area and wondered if others in the area are finding it okay to get locally based jobs?

  4. I currently earn around £25k pa, would it be realistic to achieve this level of wage after the relevant experience?

Cheers,

Mark.

Hi,sorry cant help you on the location/job front.
Age shouldn’t be a prob,I’m 40 and got a break this year.
Welcome to Odd World-the Jedi Masters will be along soon with their words of wisdom :wink: ( no not you ROG )
Simon :smiley:

id say go for it youll never look back. :smiley:

Hope it’s not the same surepass that does driving instructor training.

If their Instructor training is anything to go by I would run a mile.

thegeordie:
Welcome to Odd World-the Jedi Masters will be along soon with their words of wisdom :wink: ( no not you ROG )

Ok, from a not so wise person :wink:

**:D :smiley: :smiley: Welcome mark85 :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:**

If you click the link in my signature it will lead you to an index where you can access a lot of info which may be of use to you :smiley: :smiley:

To book any LGV training I suggest the trainee-to-be, visits the training school, meets the head person(s) and has a quick look at the truck BEFORE parting with any money.

Using the site Search facility at the top of this page and putting the words TRAINING AND WHERE you wish to train may turn up some recommendations. :slight_smile: :slight_smile:

GENERAL DRIVING TIPS BEFORE STARTING LGV C TRAINING

A number of LGV instructors, myself included, are finding that the general driving standard of many trainees coming to do their LGV ‘C’ course is not at a very high standard.
I have had a number who ‘THINK’ they are good but find myself having to go ‘BACK TO BASICS’ before they can really start learning how to handle a truck.
For the trainee this means wasted time on the course and that means that the trainee is paying good money to be taught how to drive again :exclamation:

There are a number of things that a driver can do before starting their first LGV training course to improve their general driving.

The obvious ones are to practise the DSA procedures, which could mean losing the rear view mirror, and then, every time to set off, doing the mirror, mirror, blind spot routine. Checking BOTH side mirrors before moving within the lane you are in, signalling or before the increasing & decreasing of your speed.

The less obvious is to practise forward planning — the THINKING bit.

A good way of doing this is to use your brakes a lot less than what you do at present — sounds daft but think about it — to use the brakes less then you will have to ease off earlier — to ease off earlier you will have to plan ahead more.
I don’t mean by changing down through the gearbox either as that will waste fuel.
A good example would be when approaching a queue of standing traffic, which is waiting for traffic lights to change or waiting to enter a roundabout.
The moment you see the queue, check mirrors and ease off in the gear you are in. let the vehicle slow down on it’s own, dipping the clutch as necessary to control any possible stalling. If the vehicle gets to the lowest gear speed (usually first gear) then engage that gear.
If, whilst easing off, you anticipate that the traffic is going to proceed, then engage the gear that will take you with them without rushing up to the rear of the queue.
You will be leaving a large area of tarmac in front of your vehicle when you ease off early. If another vehicle goes into the gap then re-adjust to accommodate it. If you curse at the vehicle that went into your forward space then decide if a few feet of tarmac is worth getting stressed over!!

When following other traffic, do you touch your brakes when they touch theirs? — If yes, then you are too close. Back off so that you can ease off without the use of brakes. Again, this requires a good deal of forward planning, which will be very useful when you drive a truck.

The general idea is to never stop but to keep moving forward even if at a very slow pace.

If you have to use the brakes then plan to use them gradually. Start by taking up the play of the pedal then resting the weight of your foot & leg on the pedal. That is then followed by squeezing down onto the pedal and squeeze down to a depth that will do the job during the middle of your braking so that you can ease off the pedal well before you actually need to come to a stop.

mark85:
I’m currently tempted to go for the 20 Hour Class 2 plus 16 Hour Class 1 (C & C+E) training at Surepass (Manchester area). This is just over £1800. Doing both c and C+E together seems to be most recommended.

My currently questions on this are probably the usual ones, though I have spent the last 3 hours looking through this and other forums:

  1. Do Surepass have a good reputation as I cannot find a negative word about them?

surepassdrivingschool.com/Ma … aining.htm
I don’t like the ‘guaranteed pass’ bit as there is no such thing.
Probably nothing but they show a flatbed artic trailer for C+E so I wonder, if they don’t take the time and effort to update their website, what else do they not bother with :question:

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c firtsr then straight to class c-e as an earlier post said your in that learning mode,passed both first time on an intensive crash course with what was then called surepass at bury

surepass 2006

ROG:
http://www.surepassdrivingschool.com/Master%20Lorry%20Training.htm
I don’t like the ‘guaranteed pass’ bit as there is no such thing.
Probably nothing but they show a flatbed artic trailer for C+E so I wonder, if they don’t take the time and effort to update their website, what else do they not bother with :question:

surepass 2006

Rog thanks for the advice, I think I’ll venture over tommorrow and have a look at the school. I’m not 100% about Surepass. One think that I have noticed though is the website I’ve used is different (I think they’ve removed the guranteed pass statement): surepasslgvandpcvtraining.com/

lgamston:
id say go for it youll never look back. :smiley:

Now even more tempted to take the plunge!

chippy:
Hope it’s not the same surepass that does driving instructor training.

If their Instructor training is anything to go by I would run a mile.

Yep, I think they do offer instructor training, tell me more!

Quite simply Mark would you trust this bloke?

surepassinstructortraining.com/

Give the vid time to load

Mark, you are NOT alone. Go for it and don’t listen to any negatives. A job is what YOU make it and like any career I’m sure it has it’s ups and downs. I’m 36 and going from 14 years of management into driving in 2 months! Just want to do it. Lifes too short and we only get 1 shot at it.
Good luck to you!

**:D :smiley: :smiley: Welcome gjwlogan :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:**

If you click the link in my signature it will lead you to an index where you can access a lot of info which may be of use to you :smiley: :smiley:

To book any LGV training I suggest the trainee-to-be, visits the training school, meets the head person(s) and has a quick look at the truck BEFORE parting with any money.

Using the site Search facility at the top of this page and putting the words TRAINING AND WHERE you wish to train may turn up some recommendations. :slight_smile: :slight_smile:

GENERAL DRIVING TIPS BEFORE STARTING LGV C TRAINING

A number of LGV instructors, myself included, are finding that the general driving standard of many trainees coming to do their LGV ‘C’ course is not at a very high standard.
I have had a number who ‘THINK’ they are good but find myself having to go ‘BACK TO BASICS’ before they can really start learning how to handle a truck.
For the trainee this means wasted time on the course and that means that the trainee is paying good money to be taught how to drive again :exclamation:

There are a number of things that a driver can do before starting their first LGV training course to improve their general driving.

The obvious ones are to practise the DSA procedures, which could mean losing the rear view mirror, and then, every time to set off, doing the mirror, mirror, blind spot routine. Checking BOTH side mirrors before moving within the lane you are in, signalling or before the increasing & decreasing of your speed.

The less obvious is to practise forward planning — the THINKING bit.

A good way of doing this is to use your brakes a lot less than what you do at present — sounds daft but think about it — to use the brakes less then you will have to ease off earlier — to ease off earlier you will have to plan ahead more.
I don’t mean by changing down through the gearbox either as that will waste fuel.
A good example would be when approaching a queue of standing traffic, which is waiting for traffic lights to change or waiting to enter a roundabout.
The moment you see the queue, check mirrors and ease off in the gear you are in. let the vehicle slow down on it’s own, dipping the clutch as necessary to control any possible stalling. If the vehicle gets to the lowest gear speed (usually first gear) then engage that gear.
If, whilst easing off, you anticipate that the traffic is going to proceed, then engage the gear that will take you with them without rushing up to the rear of the queue.
You will be leaving a large area of tarmac in front of your vehicle when you ease off early. If another vehicle goes into the gap then re-adjust to accommodate it. If you curse at the vehicle that went into your forward space then decide if a few feet of tarmac is worth getting stressed over!!

When following other traffic, do you touch your brakes when they touch theirs? — If yes, then you are too close. Back off so that you can ease off without the use of brakes. Again, this requires a good deal of forward planning, which will be very useful when you drive a truck.

The general idea is to never stop but to keep moving forward even if at a very slow pace.

If you have to use the brakes then plan to use them gradually. Start by taking up the play of the pedal then resting the weight of your foot & leg on the pedal. That is then followed by squeezing down onto the pedal and squeeze down to a depth that will do the job during the middle of your braking so that you can ease off the pedal well before you actually need to come to a stop.

Surepass…All the Drive you need

Welcome to Surepass and the start of a whole new qualification. Your choosing one of the leading driving schools in the UK, We have over 150 driving instructors all registered with the Driving Standards Agency and trained by our own ORDIT registered trainers to a very high standard. Why not have a look at our testimonials or our newsletters

We provide high quality Instructor Training anywhere in the UK click here for a map of the areas we currently offer car driving lessons

This is the bit that cought my eye

We have over 150 driving instructors all registered with the Driving Standards Agency

So it does not sound like an LGV Driving School it sounds more like Pathway,Qualitas,Clearstone and the like.

You shop around mate and find a bone fide driving school that has their own trucks and their own instructors.
No guaranteed passes just good training and honest prices.

I think when they say 150 instructors, that is beacuse they do cars as well.

However i wish that the Advertising Standards Agency would take a look at some of these site, particularly about wild unsubstantiated claims, but then I guess someone needs to report them first.

I was looking on one of the sites (Pathwaylgv) and they claimed 4 out of 5 passed their test first time - blatant lie - of course they may have had one lucky week! :smiley:

They were also supplying a booklet that told of the many ways DSA examiners use to fail someone on test! I reckon the DSA might take an interest in that.

Surepass are one of many pdi farms, bit like the instructor college. They churn out unqualified instructors on trainee licences many with no hope of passing part 3. The reality is that only something like 7% of those who start training ever make it.

The claims of £30,000 a year are a joke , but with slick sales skills and the promises of gold people fall for it. The training is not the best and lots of stuff is classroom based also the ratio to training can be 3 to 1.

I didn’t no surepass had gone down this lucrative route of lgv training till this post popped up.

I would be very wary of this sort of company and personally would ,like said above seek out a independent small training company with a good track record. and the personal touch

Surpass are in this for the money, once they have yours then?

Thanks for the comments chaps. Does anyone know of a decent LGV training school in the Wigan/Warrington/Manchester that I could approach?

mark85, I trained at Red Rose at Farnworth, Bolton, and was very pleased with the instructtion I had - that was in 1997 though, but they are still going, which is more than be said for a lot of companies.

I did only intended doing a catD licence but after passing that first time I was asked if I had thought about doing catC, they said I would only need a couple of hours in the vehicle to get used to it and then take my test. I did another theory test for trucks, did the 2 hours and passed catC first time. Then they said beacuse I had done C & D first time, I should do CE - which I did and passed that first time.

There was no pressure to do any of the courses, it was my choice, and now i’m glad I did do them all. They did give me a free ADR packages course for doing all three, but I didn’t know that until after I had completed the CE.

Smart Mart:
mark85, I trained at Red Rose at Farnworth, Bolton, and was very pleased with the instructtion I had - that was in 1997 though, but they are still going, which is more than be said for a lot of companies.

I did only intended doing a catD licence but after passing that first time I was asked if I had thought about doing catC, they said I would only need a couple of hours in the vehicle to get used to it and then take my test. I did another theory test for trucks, did the 2 hours and passed catC first time. Then they said beacuse I had done C & D first time, I should do CE - which I did and passed that first time.

There was no pressure to do any of the courses, it was my choice, and now i’m glad I did do them all. They did give me a free ADR packages course for doing all three, but I didn’t know that until after I had completed the CE.

Thanks, I’ll try Red Rose as I can remember seeing their trucks knocking about over the years. I’ve also spoken to Truck Taining UK Ltd in Bolton who also seem pretty good.

Try Lancaster Training Services. Excellent company. Passed my C with them in 2006.

mark85:
Thanks for the comments chaps. Does anyone know of a decent LGV training school in the Wigan/Warrington/Manchester that I could approach?

TRAINING SCHOOLS NORTHWEST :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

mark85:
Hi All,

  1. Do Surepass have a good reputation as I cannot find a negative word about them?

  2. I’m currently 31 years old, presumably I would have no problems getting a job at this age?

  3. I’m based in the Warrington/Manchester area and wondered if others in the area are finding it okay to get locally based jobs?

  4. I currently earn around £25k pa, would it be realistic to achieve this level of wage after the relevant experience?

Cheers,

Mark.

  1. See the other posts

2)Age ok , NO hgv experience so you will find it very hard to find any work.

  1. Warrington was a bit hit and miss and Manchester I don`t know.

  2. £25k pa (BIG CAPITAL LETTERS ALERT) NOT A CHANCE. £6.50 TO £7 P/H IF YOUR LUCKY.

Don`t waste your money mate.

Very good luck

Jim