Scania Vabis LV type

Brilliant (re-)search!!! I meanwhile emailed Scania-Museum (S) for LV-info, so fingers crossed if
something comes out for us. Herewith a certification (plate) that I also somewhere discovered
mounted on LV-cabs, probably known? In Sweden it was for 40.000mil and 400.000km for other
countries driving a SV without an engine overhaul

Scania-Vabis-certification.jpg

British and American readers should note that a Swedish mile is 10km, or 6.2 Imperial miles!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_un … easurement

Having thought about the strange occurrence of different cabs on 6x2 chassis, I have a theory: most of the LVS75s are rigids; very few were tractor units. Looking at entries for PevW and Roset in Conam, it appears that PevW were prolific builders of bodywork for goods chassis, while Roset seemed to concentrate more on passenger vehicles. Operators buying a rigid LV or LVS75 would be attracted to Paul and van Weelde because they could get everything above the chassis done at once. Tractor unit buyers would have no such preference. This is by no means exclusive- there are rigids with the (assumed) Roset cab, plus many other makes of cab. Just a theory- food for thought and, hopefully, more discoveries.

An understandable theory! Somehow the other (gross 13 cab- and body-makers) had to build
the LV-cab from scratch or indeed/perhaps with 3rd party-parts, like you suggested Mercedes-
window etc. Terberg of Benschop did apply various components of both Volvo and Mercedes a
very long time (1960-1980) as also Ginaf did with DAF and REO, but possibly the 15 original
for LV’s had an extra eye for gaining from the competition?

I am curious about the final nomenclature…L and since 1980 T is wellknown, with LS, LT, LA and LK
as axle-varieties and also for LB, LBS and LBT, SB, SBA and SKP…to be continued without doubt!

Some werkspoor LV’s and a LVS…

By the way I did receive response from Scania but they need to do their homework again/better

The bottom one is a Van Eck cab, although you could be forgiven for mistaking it as a Werkspoor, as the two are almost identical. I would bet a pound that the polyester moulds for the Werkspoor cab were taken from a Van Eck cab. Following on from my guess that Beers were responsible for much of the design work on the Van Eck cab, I would go further and speculate that many of the parts of the other cabs originated at Beers. For example, the Rondaan cab seems to use the same rear quarterlights and surrounding panels. This would make sense- Beers would want to make it as easy as possible for a customer’s chosen coachbuilder to base the vehicle around a Vabis chassis! Again this is speculation, but if it inspires someone to make an enquiry or remember a detail…

I hope we gain some quantities over the production-period and that it is representative with
the number of pictures available as till now the majority is ‘restricted’ to only 3-4 makes

Congratulations Anorak!!! I this morning received an answer in which your “voor” or Swedish “vor”
is confirmed by Scania Sweden as is message hereunder shows:

Hi Albert-Jan,

I have checked with some older colleagues. The LV has never been an official Scania designation, we used LB for the early cab-over-engine trucks that we built in the 60-ies (Lastbil Bulldog, yes, things weren’t so complicated back then…). We have a theory that the LV sign was “invented” in Holland, possibly by Beers? Can the V stand for “Vor” for instance, like in front mounted cab?

Regards,

Örjan

ERF-Continental:
Congratulations Anorak!!! I this morning received an answer in which your “voor” or Swedish “vor”
is confirmed by Scania Sweden as is message hereunder shows:

Hi Albert-Jan,

I have checked with some older colleagues. The LV has never been an official Scania designation, we used LB for the early cab-over-engine trucks that we built in the 60-ies (Lastbil Bulldog, yes, things weren’t so complicated back then…). We have a theory that the LV sign was “invented” in Holland, possibly by Beers? Can the V stand for “Vor” for instance, like in front mounted cab?

Regards,

Örjan

Did they come up with anything else, like a list of chassis numbers of cab-less chassis sold by Beers, with the coachbuilder’s and the operator’s name and address? :laughing:

Unfortunately not…stating this was a Beers’ thing. I do know after I frequently enquired at
Scania Benelux (HQ in Antwerp) that there is no archive anymore, as a result of removals and
the fact that apparently few or no people were really interested in history, or more likely that
the best documentation now is in hands of enthousiast keeping it far away from the dust-bins.

The majority of the Dutch Scania-dealers have faced coöperation/mergers with other or don’t
exist anymore or are now a Beers-company. I’ll try, but give it hardly a chance.

You know Wim Lagerwij?

Nice team-work and collaboration ZbAnorak & A-J! This is proving to be an interesting thread with lots of scope for detective work. Robert :smiley:

ERF-Continental:
Unfortunately not…stating this was a Beers’ thing. I do know after I frequently enquired at
Scania Benelux (HQ in Antwerp) that there is no archive anymore, as a result of removals and
the fact that apparently few or no people were really interested in history, or more likely that
the best documentation now is in hands of enthousiast keeping it far away from the dust-bins.

The majority of the Dutch Scania-dealers have faced coöperation/mergers with other or don’t
exist anymore or are now a Beers-company. I’ll try, but give it hardly a chance.

You know Wim Lagerwij?

I don’t know anyone! :laughing: I just post my internet findings and thoughts here.

Well done for your attempts to approach people who may have details of the history of S-V in the Benelux countries. In my opinion, it is one of the more interesting threads of European automotive history. Is there anyone in Zwolle who might have any documents? How about the Zandbergen museum- they have a Swiss Van Eck-cabbed LV75 there?

robert1952:
Nice team-work and collaboration ZbAnorak & A-J! This is proving to be an interesting thread with lots of scope for detective work. Robert :smiley:

There must be other LV enthusiasts all over Europe. Hopefully, they will notice this thread, and make a contribution.

It’s time you socialise in the Scania-crowd…we Dutch are strange as you know…not many
are very public with their gems or hard to find nowadays…moreover I assume that the big
part of the Beers-import (hence LV) remained in The Netherlands, possibly some in Belgium,
but at that time Denonville (being French from origin) might not allow LV’s…though not sure.

I restrict myself at the moment to De Graaff and Van Eck but agree that others will read this
mature thread with several new data. I answered Scania Sweden to have a look via google with
stating “Scania-Vabis LV75” and I guess they are astonished to see the many pictures over there!

robert1952:
Nice team-work and collaboration ZbAnorak & A-J! This is proving to be an interesting thread with lots of scope for detective work. Robert :smiley:

What is the next project on the shelf? Involving FBI to search Harry? :slight_smile:

What I remember of the Belgian SV creations was this Scania Vabis bus chassis with Van Hool van body. The front was of the Cityliner bus range, based on the US Twin Coach design. This SV was in service at the Lilan speculoos bakery in Eeklo (north of Ghent). They had also a Volvo bus chassis van in service with similar Jonckheere body.

mandator:
What I remember of the Belgian SV creations was this Scania Vabis bus chassis with Van Hool van body. The front was of the Cityliner bus range, based on the US Twin Coach design. This SV was in service at the Lilan speculoos bakery in Eeklo (north of Ghent). They had also a Volvo bus chassis van in service with similar Jonckheere body.

Hey Fernand, this one is in hand of someone who want to make a mobilehome of it, but it is already
years he says that so today ■■?
Yes if you stayed under the 16 tonnes limit, you could built on bus chassis especially for box lorries, or light trucks.
Never known as there were Scania vabis avancée’s built here, but Volvo’s sure even for gross weight tractor’s.
we stayed here longer with the bonnet, even the LB 76 wasn’t much sold, some animalfeed companies had the
LBS76. it changed with the coming of the 110.
Bye Eric,

As I can not judge the production-year of this vehicle (the DAF behind tells something) but
could it be manufactured on basis of a B55 with D7 diesel of 1959-1960? See attachment.

Actually it is a sort of BV in stead of a LV? Notice there are BF75 and so on

ERF-Continental:
As I can not judge the production-year of this vehicle (the DAF behind tells something) but
could it be manufactured on basis of a B55 with D7 diesel of 1959-1960? See attachment.

Actually it is a sort of BV in stead of a LV? Notice there are BF75 and so on

Hey ERF, we don’t know from witch year the Lilan is, it can be from '59 till’68 ■■?
if it is after ‘62 it can be an 56,66,76 chassis■■? or before an 55’ or '75■■?
Very difficult to say. In my opinion it’s the lighter chassis of the 55,56 or 66.
And could it be that the front is Swedish the roof looks alike for me ■■?

Bye Eric,

@Anorak…not everybody was/is sleeping…I just got information, actually a picture out
of the Paul&Van Weelde leaflet…whereas I stated (out of info/pictures on the internet)
that this type of cab was Roset. My sincere apologies I did ruin your research. A-J

The jig-saw is again ordened?

Guess this BEMO-description caused my misunderstanding Roset in stead of P&vW

BEMO.jpg