Mickey mouse:
harrawaffa:
If you don’t want to work for £9 don’t. Leave it for the others who do.
Usual on here drivers trying to dictate to others what they should be doing/ earning.Yes but it’s the clowns that will work for £9 per hour that ruin it for everyone else.
As opposed to being clowns who sit on the dole expecting others to feed their families?
Aren’t you getting angry with the wrong people?
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Harry Monk:
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xichrisxi:
Rowley010:
I get Just over 9 quid an hour basic. I did leave for short time and was on £11 per hour. But in that job the contract hours were 40, current job it’s 50, current job get paid for every hour straight through, other one deducted breaks, current one does average holiday pay, that one was doing basic holiday pay, current one pays for your cpc and you get paid for the day while you do it. Other one you had to pay for each cpc course and you didn’t get paid for the day when you did it meaning you had to do it on a day off!I’ve obly just started there but it didn’t take long to work out that overall I actually was as well off on £9 per hour than £11 when you looked into the whole deal.
Swings and roundabouts eh
Just a quick note,everyone has to do average holiday pay now…think it’s an average of your last 12 weeks iirc.
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We’res that written down in employment law then.
It’s in the Working Time Directive.
The WTD doesn’t help workers AT ALL then, if you think about it. TO get the best value out of this “average holiday” system, you’d need to take your holidays exactly for one week and exactly 13 weeks apart. If you took a holiday at the end of a quiet quarter - then you’d get a lower average as a consequence, and the average would be lower still if you’d taken another holiday (even odd days!) during the past 13 weeks - right?
WTD has allowed firms to have 48 hour weeks with no overtime as standard. In another thread I’ve called “The Quest for Overtime” - I have expanded upon this argument that connects the dearth of overtime and the non-opting out of the WTD.
Where’s the bits of the WTD that makes us ordinary workers better off then?
The total PORKER that was the Left’s “The Tories want to do away with the worker’s right to paid holidays” - is FAR worse a lie than the so-called “Lie” that was the £350m on the side of the bus.
There are NO plans to “Scrap paid holidays” in this country.
The £350m was an mean average of a 9-figure actual amount before rebate. Even after any such rebate, it’s still a sum at least in the low 9 figures we pay to the EU each week - NET.
If we’re still paying that to Brussels some 19 months later now - then that’s money our own infrastructure doesn’t get, be it planned entirely for the NHS, or spread about a bit. 
Juddian: It looks increasingly like Theresa May is only in it for the money like Cameron. Once she’s done her full five years as PM, she will qualify for the full ex-PM’s pension. Look how quick Cameron whistled and hummed away from Number 10, despite being only a year into a five year pure majority win for the Conservatives…
My expectation is that Theresa May will stand down as PM and MP in the Autumn of 2021, leaving the Conservatives a year to get a new leader in place, and achieving either the very hardest of cliff-edged brexits (because nowt will have STILL been done by that point… You’ll see…!) OR they foolishly elect another Remainer as their leader, and hey presto - Labour win outright in 2022, consigning the Conservatives to the dustbin of History the same as the Whigs over a century ago. At present, Conservatives having all their people “out of position” - is making them look weaker IN government than Corbyn seems OUT of it with his Clown-9 Front Bench. He’s been careful not to be drawn on “Hard Brexit” or “Cliff-edge Brexit” at all. I reckon upon him winning - the EU will FINALLY “reform” overnight in that they’ll offer the new fellow socialist government “all the borrowing they need” to get their spending plans done - on condition that Brexit is outlawed by emergency commons vote, which with 75%+ of parliament Remainers - they will positively JUMP at the chance to do, thus indenturing ourselves to the EU forever. We might even be forced to join the Euro into the bargain. 
Winseer:
The WTD doesn’t help workers AT ALL then, if you think about it.
Agreed too many opt outs, means very little has changed, still a long hours, low wage economy for many.
Winseer:
TO get the best value out of this “average holiday” system, you’d need to take your holidays exactly for one week and exactly 13 weeks apart. If you took a holiday at the end of a quiet quarter - then you’d get a lower average as a consequence, and the average would be lower still if you’d taken another holiday (even odd days!) during the past 13 weeks - right?
But better than the previous system where there was no right to a paid holiday, let alone a right to have your average overtime hours included in the pay.
Winseer:
WTD has allowed firms to have 48 hour weeks with no overtime as standard.
I don’t believe that before the WTD companies had to offer as much overtime as the workforce want.
Winseer:
In another thread I’ve called “The Quest for Overtime” - I have expanded upon this argument that connects the dearth of overtime and the non-opting out of the WTD.
So you want a quest for longer hours to make a living wage, instead of a decent basic wage and time to enjoy it?
And of course there is no legal requirement to pay overtime at an enhanced rate, so you could end up working overtime at a basic rate.
Winseer:
Where’s the bits of the WTD that makes us ordinary workers better off then?
Considering the opt outs on the WTD and the POA in the RTD, meaning people aren’t working less hours, despite research showing long hours are bad for your health and long hours reduce productivity, so counter productive for employers as well, very little has been achieved.
Winseer:
The total PORKER that was the Left’s “The Tories want to do away with the worker’s right to paid holidays” - is FAR worse a lie than the so-called “Lie” that was the £350m on the side of the bus.
There are NO plans to “Scrap paid holidays” in this country.
Seem to be plenty in the Conservative party including senior members and those tipped as possible leaders, who want to scrap the WTD and it was the WTD that gave a right to 20 days paid holiday, later changed to 28 days by the UK government and therefore can be removed by a UK government if we don’t fight for it.
Despite what many think, we didn’t actually have a legal right to 4 weeks paid holiday before that, there were some laws on paid holidays, but only covered certain workers, even though many of us did get 4 weeks plus the 8 bank holidays, this was gained through individual company pay deals and became a standard.
Winseer:
Imagine what effect a so-called “Cliff-edge Brexit” will have when local employers cannot get hold of immigrant drivers anymore to fill these £9ph jobs for love nor money…
That’s if the industry doesn’t plead they’re a special case and should therefore be allowed to get workers from abroad to fill the “skills gap” a few sizable donations to party funds should sweeten the deal.
Winseer:
The WTD doesn’t help workers AT ALL then, if you think about it. TO get the best value out of this “average holiday” system, you’d need to take your holidays exactly for one week and exactly 13 weeks apart. If you took a holiday at the end of a quiet quarter - then you’d get a lower average as a consequence, and the average would be lower still if you’d taken another holiday (even odd days!) during the past 13 weeks - right?
Spot on mate. Its a crock of crap.
WTD has allowed firms to have 48 hour weeks with no overtime as standard.
It didn’t have anything to do with that but if anything it is the RHA/FTA negotiated PoA that screwed us over.
Where’s the bits of the WTD that makes us ordinary workers better off then?
For us thanks to the PoA there isn’t any other than not being able to work for more than 6hrs without a break. The rest is covered by the tacho rules. Had the PoA not happened it would have been another story entirely. Maximum 48hr working week, no opt out. I was at Geopost as a Linehaul driver at the time it was due to come in. The wage rise we were being offered was over 20% so we were going to be getting the same pay for doing a 4 day week as we did for 5 and they were offering that because they knew the driver shortage a 48hr week would cause. And then the PoA was announced and that pay offer went down to 3%.
There are NO plans to “Scrap paid holidays” in this country.
Exactly. The EU mandatory paid annual leave is 20 days, every country has to offer at least that. If there was any plans to screw us on holidays by the Tories then we wouldn’t still be having 28 days in the UK, they’d have cut it to 20.
" I’m retiring soon anyway, so I’m not bothered "
" Mortgage paid, so I don’t need much to live on "
" Already retired, I’m just keeping my hand in "
" It’s right on my doorstep "
" It’s clean, easy work "
" It’s my first job, so I need the experience "
" Cracking kit, and they pay for my CPC "
" It’s greatski, wage pay me much coin for new flip flop’s "
^^^^ Just a small sample of why we are ■■■■■■■ in the wind with regards to crap wages
You forgot
“It’s the going rate”
commonrail:
You forgot
“It’s the going rate”
Good point, well made 
Along with…
" Get’s me out of the house "
" I’m left alone to do the job "
" Loads of uniform, and they provide cleaning kit " 
Shove £9 right in your arse .
Lmfao @
you must be experienced at this level 
robroy:
As said, it all depends on which area you live, and it usually determines your hour pay rate.
I live in an area that aint exactly famous for paying brilliant wages, which is why I went down the outbased at home working for firms from other areas route, and it worked for me very well for about 13 or so years after the business went ■■■■ north.Nowadays I work for a firm which is maybe let’s say…the best of a bunch in the area.
The pay aint brilliant, and nowhere near to what I was used to, but it’s more than what some others are on around here, the kids are all grown up now, so I am ok with the money, …plus I’ve sorted myself a handy little stress free number in the firm,.and best of all I’m home for every (long) weekend with my trophy wife.
I have been offered a better paying job in the time I’ve been with them, but it was back to a ‘never home’ situation, done it, got the t.shirt AND the hoodie on that score…, so I’m staying put.
arnt you on a thousand pound a week robbo
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Let’s face it though, Shipley Transport has always has a reputation for being right at the bottom of the barrel.
Asda pay their on line delivery drivers £9.50p per hour delivering shopping to their customers, I would personally do that than drive class 1 for £9 per hour any day of the week. Working for £9 per hour puts you in the same class as a refugee in my opinion. It is laughable to do it and if you do actually do it, then you are only been paid what you deserve. Crack on and stop moaning.
I’d just like to know where all these so called “pays megabucks an hour” jobs are exactly, me n my missus both work full time, kids grown up n flown the nest an we have a nice house and put money away.
I earn over £10 ph, and I like the type of work I do, but i keep looking for that golden goose job every week to no avail, I’m hourly paid and max my hours every week (that’s my choice).
Some people have no options, due to circumstances, to take the £9 ph job.
If you think their mugs then show them the megabucks job and get them it, til you can do this then I don’t think you should knock those that do the peanuts pay job.
Easy to mock a man til you’ve walked in his shoes an born his woes…
Old Scuffer:
I’d just like to know where all these so called “pays megabucks an hour” jobs are exactly, me n my missus both work full time, kids grown up n flown the nest an we have a nice house and put money away.
I earn over £10 ph, and I like the type of work I do, but i keep looking for that golden goose job every week to no avail, I’m hourly paid and max my hours every week (that’s my choice).
Some people have no options, due to circumstances, to take the £9 ph job.
If you think their mugs then show them the megabucks job and get them it, til you can do this then I don’t think you should knock those that do the peanuts pay job.Easy to mock a man til you’ve walked in his shoes an born his woes…
Why would anyone " show the megabucks job and get them it " ?
If people haven’t got the intelligence or determination to get one of these jobs themselves, then they do not deserve one.
Seek and ye shall find, sayeth the Beaver 
eagerbeaver:
Old Scuffer:
I’d just like to know where all these so called “pays megabucks an hour” jobs are exactly, me n my missus both work full time, kids grown up n flown the nest an we have a nice house and put money away.
I earn over £10 ph, and I like the type of work I do, but i keep looking for that golden goose job every week to no avail, I’m hourly paid and max my hours every week (that’s my choice).
Some people have no options, due to circumstances, to take the £9 ph job.
If you think their mugs then show them the megabucks job and get them it, til you can do this then I don’t think you should knock those that do the peanuts pay job.Easy to mock a man til you’ve walked in his shoes an born his woes…
Why would anyone " show the megabucks job and get them it " ?
If people haven’t got the intelligence or determination to get one of these jobs themselves, then they do not deserve one.
Seek and ye shall find, sayeth the Beaver
Surely the more people on the “megabuck jobs” the fewer available for those who don’t pay a decent rate?
Old Scuffer:
Easy to mock a man til you’ve walked in his shoes an born his woes…
Agreed, there are a few on here who could do with walking in the shoes of those who are trying to defend their good jobs, instead of assuming they’re merely money grabbing gits.
Lend us yer rose tinted glasses then Beav.
Like I said, sometimes circumstances dictate when/where/how you can/will or are able to work… hence why some people will take that job at £9 ph.
That’s life and sometimes it ■■■■■, but your entitled to your opinion good sir.
Old Scuffer:
Lend us yer rose tinted glasses then Beav.Like I said, sometimes circumstances dictate when/where/how you can/will or are able to work… hence why some people will take that job at £9 ph.
That’s life and sometimes it ■■■■■, but your entitled to your opinion good sir.
If you fall over, get up. If your job is ■■■■, leave it for another one. If jobs in your area are crap, move. I’ve had more jobs (mostly rubbish paid) than even I can remember over the last 30+ years
You get out what you put in my old mate. I could tell you my life story fella and you simply wouldn’t believe it
Health aside, you have choices. You can be a worm or be the bird. I have absolutely no sympathy with folk who don’t try, ■■■■■■■■ to them.
The good paying jobs never have been and never will be advertised.
The only way you get them is by using your noddle and finding a way in, it might be as simple as knocking on the door presenting yourself to the man and asking for a job, that’s how i got my present job, anyone could do it, other jobs you might have to find other ways in.
The thing is with the better work is not to take the ■■■■ out of it once you land it and to do your job to the best of your ability, things too many driver’s seem unable to fathom.
Juddian:
The good paying jobs never have been and never will be advertised.The only way you get them is by using your noddle and finding a way in, it might be as simple as knocking on the door presenting yourself to the man and asking for a job, that’s how i got my present job, anyone could do it, other jobs you might have to find other ways in.
The thing is with the better work is not to take the ■■■■ out of it once you land it and to do your job to the best of your ability, things too many driver’s seem unable to fathom.
The clown knows the score