Colin_scottish:
Maybe if people read the signs and look at the road markings its fine no hassel at all.
Exactly which ‘road signs’ and ‘road markings’ would inform anyone turning right from A 50 to A 521 that traffic is using the left lane of the roundabout to turn right from A 50 to A 50 ? and how are they then supposed to exit the roundabout onto the A 521 safely with conflicting traffic turning right from the left ?.
Carryfast:
Colin_scottish:
Maybe if people read the signs and look at the road markings its fine no hassel at all.Exactly which ‘road signs’ and ‘road markings’ would inform anyone turning right from A 50 to A 521 that traffic is using the left lane of the roundabout to turn right from A 50 to A 50 ? and how are they then supposed to exit the roundabout onto the A 521 safely with conflicting traffic turning right from the left ?.
The white paint on the road is a big give away and the traffic on the roundabout.Also on the approach both lanes are being used to turn left so right away you assume both lanes turn right or im i using to much sense there.
Colin_scottish:
Carryfast:
Exactly which ‘road signs’ and ‘road markings’ would inform anyone turning right from A 50 to A 521 that traffic is using the left lane of the roundabout to turn right from A 50 to A 50 ? and how are they then supposed to exit the roundabout onto the A 521 safely with conflicting traffic turning right from the left ?.The white paint on the road is a big give away and the traffic on the roundabout.Also on the approach both lanes are being used to turn left so right away you assume both lanes turn right or im i using to much sense there.
No you’re making no sense.Both lanes don’t turn right from the A 50 to the A 521 only the right lane turns right.On that note left and right lanes turning left from A 50 to A 50 obviously ain’t the same thing as right lane only turning right from A 50 to A 521 on entry to the roundabout which then becomes left lane turn right from A 50 to A 50 at the A 521 exit.
IE you’re comparing apples with oranges and putting 2 + 2 together and making 5 .In that two lanes left from A 50 to A 50 doesn’t equal left lane turns right from A 50 to A 521.When it’s clearly marked as only the right lane turns right from A 50 to A 521 which obviously conflicts with the left lane turning right from A 50 to A 50 across the A 521 exit and the muppets can’t even get the A 50 to A 521 direction lane marking right on entry either having made it bleedin straight on. 
Carryfast:
Colin_scottish:
Maybe if people read the signs and look at the road markings its fine no hassel at all.Exactly which ‘road signs’ and ‘road markings’ would inform anyone turning right from A 50 to A 521 that traffic is using the left lane of the roundabout to turn right from A 50 to A 50 ? and how are they then supposed to exit the roundabout onto the A 521 safely with conflicting traffic turning right from the left ?.
The sensible option would be to go round the roundabout again and exit that way since they were in wrong lane. Like many I use this road a lot and vast majority of people know how it works. I assume it’s done this way to avoid taking a busy piece of road down to one lane to go round roundabout. The signs and road markings are very very clear
Carryfast:
Colin_scottish:
Exactly which ‘road signs’ and ‘road markings’ would inform anyone turning right from A 50 to A 521 that traffic is using the left lane of the roundabout to turn right from A 50 to A 50 ? and how are they then supposed to exit the roundabout onto the A 521 safely with conflicting traffic turning right from the left ?.
Massive green sign to the left of the carriageway on the approach indicating left lane for straight ahead AND turn right and right lane for turn right only…
Massive white arrows on the tarmac indicating left lane for straight ahead AND turn right and right lane for turn right only.
You exit the roundabout safely onto the A521 without conflicting with traffic by driving in the left lane which is the only lane marked for going straight on onto the A521 and not going in the right lane.
Someone has posted a picture of the approach. If you can’t work out how that roundabout works from that you need to tear up your license and send it back to DVLA because you shouldn’t be on the road in charge of anything larger than a pushbike.
Carryfast:
Colin_scottish:
Maybe if people read the signs and look at the road markings its fine no hassel at all.Exactly which ‘road signs’ and ‘road markings’ would inform anyone turning right from A 50 to A 521 that traffic is using the left lane of the roundabout to turn right from A 50 to A 50 ? and how are they then supposed to exit the roundabout onto the A 521 safely with conflicting traffic turning right from the left ?.
You don’t turn right onto the A521 it’s straight over using the left lane as indicated by the arrows on the road, you turn right to continue on the A50 using both lanes as also indicated by the arrows on the road.
Conor:
Carryfast:
Exactly which ‘road signs’ and ‘road markings’ would inform anyone turning right from A 50 to A 521 that traffic is using the left lane of the roundabout to turn right from A 50 to A 50 ? and how are they then supposed to exit the roundabout onto the A 521 safely with conflicting traffic turning right from the left ?.Massive green sign to the left of the carriageway on the approach indicating left lane for straight ahead AND turn right and right lane for turn right only…
Massive white arrows on the tarmac indicating left lane for straight ahead AND turn right and right lane for turn right only.
You exit the roundabout safely onto the A521 without conflicting with traffic by driving in the left lane which is the only lane marked for going straight on onto the A521 and not going in the right lane.
Someone has posted a picture of the approach. If you can’t work out how that roundabout works from that you need to tear up your license and send it back to DVLA because you shouldn’t be on the road in charge of anything larger than a pushbike.
Either you’re avin a larf or you ain’t got a clue.I’m referring to the approach in the OPPOSITE direction turning RIGHT FROM the A 50 TO the A 521.In which case the approach is marked left and right lanes turn left and right lane only turn right ( although marked as straight on ).In which case what happens when someone turning RIGHT,in the right lane,from A 50 to A 521 meets someone cutting across the exit for the A 521 using the left lane to turn right from the A 50 to A 50.
It’s obvious that left and right lanes turn left from the A 50 to A 50 doesn’t automatically mean the same thing as left lane turn right from A 50 to A 50 across the exit for the A 521 from the point of view of anyone turning ‘right’ from A 50 to A 521 from the opposite direction and nor should it.Unless you want to see the same type of collision over and over again.When the person turning right to the A 521 correctly thinks that any traffic in the left lane of the roundabout at that point will be taking the A 521 exit not going around the roundabout across it.
switchlogic:
The sensible option would be to go round the roundabout again and exit that way since they were in wrong lane. The signs and road markings are very very clear
How does someone ‘correctly’ using the ‘right’ lane to turn ‘right’ from the A 50 to the A 521 know that anyone in the left lane of the roundabout will be turning right across the A 521 exit.The first they’ll know of it is when someone ploughs into their nearside from the left who they rightly thought was taking the A 521 exit.
What signs and road markings would tell them that.All they know on the approach is left and right lane turn left for A 50,right lane turn right for A 521 which then leads them into conflict with traffic using left lane to turn right from A 50 to A 50 on the approach to the A 521 exit.This roundabout can only work safely by making it right lane only turns right from A50 to A 50.
Rentadent:
You don’t turn right onto the A521 it’s straight over using the left lane as indicated by the arrows on the road, you turn right to continue on the A50 using both lanes as also indicated by the arrows on the road.
Which direction and what lane from here to A 521 ?.What happens when you meet the truck that’s entered the roundabout that’s turning right in the left hand lane when you want to take the A 521 exit and why wouldn’t you think that it’s taking the A 521 exit.
Sorry i cant report on this one…i have been demoted until after the bank holiday…will be back in on Tuesday…pen and note book at the ready…but possibly a clip board as well… 
If thats the right roundabout, its not well designed at all for trucks coming from stoke towards derby. Instead of fixing it they simply stick up some temporary signs warning of rollovers which isnt the biggest issue.
As for accident, pretty sure blue car (Audi?) tried to cut in front going in totally wrong lane, but have a feeling it collided with the black car not the truck or at least the truck was a third party.
Cant see damage on truck but black car appears facing odd direction so suspect they collided with idiot in Audi.
Carryfast:
Rentadent:
You don’t turn right onto the A521 it’s straight over using the left lane as indicated by the arrows on the road, you turn right to continue on the A50 using both lanes as also indicated by the arrows on the road.Which direction and what lane from here to A 521 ?.What happens when you meet the truck that’s entered the roundabout that’s turning right in the left hand lane when you want to take the A 521 exit and why wouldn’t you think that it’s taking the A 521 exit.
If you’re turning right from the westbound A50 then you would use the right lane at the roundabout (Left lane is left (A50), right lane is left (A50) and right (A521)) then once you’ve passed the A50 exit you would look to filter across behind the truck and exit onto the A521, it’s what most people do there every day except those self important bell ends that are in such a rush that they can’t lift off for half a second.
Just by looking at the evidence I deduce the geezer in the car tried to pass the truck on the inside and cut in front of it but didn’t make it. Car driver guilty as [zb].
Rentadent:
Carryfast:
Which direction and what lane from here to A 521 ?.What happens when you meet the truck that’s entered the roundabout that’s turning right in the left hand lane when you want to take the A 521 exit and why wouldn’t you think that it’s taking the A 521 exit.If you’re turning right from the westbound A50 then you would use the right lane at the roundabout (Left lane is left (A50), right lane is left (A50) and right (A521)) then once you’ve passed the A50 exit you would look to filter across behind the truck and exit onto the A521, it’s what most people do there every day except those self important bell ends that are in such a rush that they can’t lift off for half a second.
Firstly what would make anyone think that the vehicle in the left lane of the roundabout is actually turning right as opposed to what they should do in taking the left lane of the A 521 exit according to the highway code if the council had any sense.While you’ve got a weird approach to roundabouts if you think that it’s automatically the fault of the driver exiting the roundabout from the right lane of the roundabout and not the driver turning right into them from the left lane.
Also ideally you do know that if something is approaching from the right on the roundabout from A 50 to A 521 in that situation then you shouldn’t even enter the roundabout anyway because the vehicle on the roundabout has the priority to go round it to the exit at that point.
In which case it would be interesting in this case to find out if the car was actually turning right from A 50 to A 521 and got collected by a right turning vehicle from the left lane.Which is a good bet.In which case the insurers should both send the claim to the council for a predictable collision caused by an incompetent dangerous road layout.Bearing in mind that it could be a motorcyclist in which case good luck with defending a charge of death by dangerous for turning into him and running him over when turning across the exit of the roundabout using the left lane to turn right.
Pat Hasler:
Just by looking at the evidence I deduce the geezer in the car tried to pass the truck on the inside and cut in front of it but didn’t make it. Car driver guilty as F***.
How did the car get hit on it’s nearside if it was hit cutting in front of the truck from the truck’s nearside.
While that type of collision is exactly what the road layout creates and is being called here the fault of the driver on the ‘outside’ ( right ) not the driver on the ‘inside’ ( left ) when it inevitably happens.
Classic Carryfast, telling people who clearly use the road a lot exactly how to use it when he clearly barely knows where it is let alone actually having been there.
Carryfast:
In which case it would be interesting in this case to find out if the car was actually turning right from A 50 to A 521 and got collected by a right turning vehicle from the left lane.Which is a good bet.
There is no right from A50 to A521. It’s straight ahead. Why are you finding this simple Road layout so perplexing?
Rentadent is correct ,also I see the lane markings have changed down at uttoxeter ,if you come out of uch now you can no longer use the left lane to turn right by the new services .
switchlogic:
Classic Carryfast, telling people who clearly use the road a lot exactly how to use it when he clearly barely knows where it is let alone actually having been there.
Ironically it’s people who aren’t familiar with the road,who are most likely to be run into by those who are,by applying the normal rules according to the highway code which apply at roundabouts and which apply just the same in the case of this one when turning right from the A 50 to the A 521.As for your expertise of the road network,like others,you obviously couldn’t even get your head around the idea of making a right turn from the A 50 to the A 521.
So tell us exactly which rule gives priority to anyone using the left lane to turn right across an exit,over anyone on it approaching from the right and then exiting it according to the rules of the road.
Punchy Dan:
Rentadent is correct ,also I see the lane markings have changed down at uttoxeter ,if you come out of uch now you can no longer use the left lane to turn right by the new services .
Which road markings show that you can’t use the right hand lane at the A 521 exit when turning right from the A 50 and which rule gives priority to traffic in the left lane turning right from A 50 to A 50 over traffic taking the A 521 exit when turning right from the A 50 regardless.The main relevant rule in that situation being give way to traffic on the roundabout from the right before entering it.