Reading the posts of the Brexiteers makes me ashamed to be British - do you all really believe in that xenophobic racist dialogue - I find it hard to believe that you are all like that.
I can’t believe my Father fought in WW2 alongside as many of Europe/India/Pakistan etc. who could make it - not just a European Army but a global one.
Brexiteers sound more like the National Socialists than the people who made their sacrifices to Free Europe & bring us all together and bring peace & brotherhood.
I agree with you whispering smith some of the comments on this subject have been pretty horrifying. The people with the most reasonable comments seem to have been Spardo and Franglais they have given reasoned arguments in difficult circumcstances.
whisperingsmith:
Reading the posts of the Brexiteers makes me ashamed to be British - do you all really believe in that xenophobic racist dialogue - I find it hard to believe that you are all like that.I can’t believe my Father fought in WW2 alongside as many of Europe/India/Pakistan etc. who could make it - not just a European Army but a global one.
Brexiteers sound more like the National Socialists than the people who made their sacrifices to Free Europe & bring us all together and bring peace & brotherhood.
No we just believe in the right of self determination of the Nation State not your obvious no borders pan European and Globalist nightmare.While it wasn’t a global army that defeated the Nazis and Japan.It was an alliance of different Nationality and ethnic based units ranging from Polish to Indian,Australian,New Zealand,Canadian,American and Brazilian.None of which ever called for your obvious anti nation state New World Order as part of the post war world.
While didn’t the Indians also go home and argue/fight for their independence and the right to govern themselves within their own borders.Just as Canadians,ANZACS,Americans went home to their own countries within their own borders and wanted to keep them that way.
On that note no it’s the Remainers ( more like a vociferous Federalist Soviet style rabble ) who are the ones trying to destroy Europes nation states in favour of a Soviet/Fascist style Federation which takes down national borders and tramples all over the right of self determination and local democracy and accountability.Bearing in mind that I’m also a Remainer.Of a reformed Confederal Europe to replace the present unfit for purpose anti nation state,Soviet style dictatorship.In which case either way it’s obvious that we have to secede first,from the present Federal mess,to build it.
The only saving grace, Whisperingsmith, is that the majority who post in this thread are not in the majority everywhere. Even amongst ardent Brexiteers they are a small minority who think that they have at last found an excuse to legitimately express their extreme and abhorrent views.
Sadly for all of us, the mess they, and their innocent co-Brexiteers, have created is going to ruin Britain for a long time to come.
Painting all Germans as Nazis and all French as willing co-conspirators while at the same time accusing most of the rest of us of being Socialist traitors will not save Britain from the disaster that I believe awaits it.
Unless something is done very soon to prove me wrong. I hope so.
malmic:
I agree with you whispering smith some of the comments on this subject have been pretty horrifying. The people with the most reasonable comments seem to have been Spardo and Franglais they have given reasoned arguments in difficult circumcstances.
Anything except agreement with the EU project is obviously horrifying to an EU Federalist.As I said very dangerous people who hate democracy and the right of self determination of the Nation State and who won’t tolerate dissent or disagreement with their ideology.Nor is it anything new whether it’s the Roman hordes stamping their authority over Europe or the JNA refusing to accept the right of states like Slovenia to secede from the former failed Yugoslav Federation.
If the clock could be turned back to 1940 the Remainers on this thread would have been classified as 5th Columnists and traitors as they would definitely have wanted to have appeased Hitler a bit like their antics nowadays with their enthusiasm for keeping us the EU ! It’s a good job we had the likes of that Great man Churchill in 1940 who saw right through the Appeasers and stuck to his guns ! We need someone of his calibre now to get us out of the EU “clean” with no strings attached ! Cheers Bewick.
Bewick:
If the clock could be turned back to 1940 the Remainers on this thread would have been classified as 5th Columnists and traitors as they would definitely have wanted to have appeased Hitler a bit like their antics nowadays with their enthusiasm for keeping us the EU ! It’s a good job we had the likes of that Great man Churchill in 1940 who saw right through the Appeasers and stuck to his guns ! We need someone of his calibre now to get us out of the EU “clean” with no strings attached ! Cheers Bewick.
Churchill was no Powell just like all the rest of the Con rabble.The basis of his ideas being that only by replacing the 3rd Reich with a 4th and abolishing Europe’s Nation States in favour of a Federal Europe can we have peace.Conveniently forgetting that his two sworn enemies the 3rd Reich and Soviet Union were based on types of Federal government and the US Federation was actually built on the bloodshed of the US war of Federal aggression having corrupted the original Confederal constitution as written by its founders.As for Churchill’s bs Commonwealth India went for independence and self determination one year later and try telling Australian,NZ,Canadian immigration that they are members of the Commonwealth and as such we have free movement and they have to contribute to the UK budget.
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So tell us when did the Cons as a Party and which Conservative PM,ever supported Leaving the EU ?.
We’ll know soon enough what the score is, at the moment there is too much scare mongering and false/misleading information bandied about by an increasingly subversive MSM.
If the deal is as bad as predicted, then we must rely on our elected representatives to do the right thing and reject it, but unless they get any deal ready to be voted on by the end of March we leave without a deal and there is nothing any of them can do to stop that, and that my friends is exactly what i hope does happen.
If the tories, as expected for have form in betrayal, perform the ultimate betrayal of this country then they are history and about time too.
See the people who are worried about Corbyn are the rich, the very rich who actually keep the tory party going with their contributions.
The rest of us are just regular working or retired people, and when you look back at your life and the various govts that have come and gone there is a recurring theme, that theme being i and every other decent working person has had to work to feed clothe and house our families, in general whichever team happens to have been in residence in numbers 10 and 11 haven’t made a great deal of difference, we’ve been betrayed by them all, tories (ably assisted by the libs last time) and labour alike.
So Tories if you welch on Brexit i and millions of other Brexiteers will do everything we can to destroy your party and if the quickest way to do that is by electing Corbyn and his marxists so be it.
Because, if we are going down you are coming with us, and you me old lovelies have a hell of a lot more to lose than us, we’re used to being crapped on from a great height so business as usual.
Us Brexiteers never expected regaining our national independence to be cheap or easy, we never thought the roads would suddenly be paved in free gold, we know our country with its ruined manufacturing will need to be rebuilt with blood seat and tears once again.
Juddian:
We’ll know soon enough what the score is, at the moment there is too much scare mongering and false/misleading information bandied about by an increasingly subversive MSM.If the deal is as bad as predicted, then we must rely on our elected representatives to do the right thing and reject it, but unless they get any deal ready to be voted on by the end of March we leave without a deal and there is nothing any of them can do to stop that, and that my friends is exactly what i hope does happen.
If the tories, as expected for have form in betrayal, perform the ultimate betrayal of this country then they are history and about time too.
See the people who are worried about Corbyn are the rich, the very rich who actually keep the tory party going with their contributions.
The rest of us are just regular working or retired people, and when you look back at your life and the various govts that have come and gone there is a recurring theme, that theme being i and every other decent working person has had to work to feed clothe and house our families, in general whichever team happens to have been in residence in numbers 10 and 11 haven’t made a great deal of difference, we’ve been betrayed by them all, tories (ably assisted by the libs last time) and labour alike.
So Tories if you welch on Brexit i and millions of other Brexiteers will do everything we can to destroy your party and if the quickest way to do that is by electing Corbyn and his marxists so be it.
Because, if we are going down you are coming with us, and you me old lovelies have a hell of a lot more to lose than us, we’re used to being crapped on from a great height so business as usual.Us Brexiteers never expected regaining our national independence to be cheap or easy, we never thought the roads would suddenly be paved in free gold, we know our country with its ruined manufacturing will need to be rebuilt with blood seat and tears once again.
Firstly the whole Remainer case is built on he idea that we aren’t good enough or bright enough to rebuild the country and those clever Germans will embargo us into submission.
As for Corbyn the reality is more likely to be vote Corbyn get Starmer ( Blair in all but name ) and the ‘Labour’ Party knows it which is a major flaw in the above theory.IE the establishment wins either way with a vote for Con or Labour being as good as each other from their point of view just as the election of the Blair administration was.To the point where even if the Cons lose they have more in common with Blair than they do with any of the so called Populist/Nationalist ( Patriot ) parties including UKIP and even if they lose their majority will obviously form an alliance with the LabLibDem rabble on that basis regarding Brexit at least.
> Carryfast:
> Firstly the whole Remainer case is built on he idea that we aren’t good enough or bright enough to rebuild the country and those clever Germans will embargo us into submission.
No way CF - Brexiteers have always come across as the really clever ones who have thought everything through (Read Back Through This Thread) & in spite of all the odds will see the UK rise up & once again be proud that during the post Brexit famin we can drop back to dripping on toast, and the most heavenly dish of all: Tripe & Onion
No more of that dastardly Euro muck with Garlic/Olive Oil & Red Wine - OOOH YUK 
At least we can rely on Bewick and his strategic reserve of Atkis & 8LWs to keep the UK moving 
whisperingsmith:
> Carryfast:
> Firstly the whole Remainer case is built on he idea that we aren’t good enough or bright enough to rebuild the country and those clever Germans will embargo us into submission.At least we can rely on Bewick and his strategic reserve of Atkis & 8LWs to keep the UK moving
Euro heap residual value v Australian. 
Buzzer:
Just read and absorb, Buzzer.
That may or may not be true Buzzer - but you didn’t mind making a few quid out of it when it suited you eh? Wasn’t it during the 90’s - once we didn’t have to stop at borders, once we were allowed to fill up on cheap foreign fuel - etc… that your fleet was at it’s peak?
Same for you Dennis - you didn’t mind making a quid, running over the water during the 90’s either.
All joking & jesting aside - there has been some talk regarding fishing rights within Uk waters post Brexit- so a question to you brexiteers - (I don’t have an answer to this question - there’s no right or wrong - )- I’m assuming though that the most ardent brexiteers among us would have considered questions like this before they voted;
So what should happen re fishing rights? - after all, my understanding was at the time, that many UK fishermen sold their quotas - their fishing rights- to European (mainly Spanish) fishermen. Now, if I was a Spanish fisherman who had agreed a deal, and paid hard earned cash for the right to fish in certain area, I think I wouldn’t be too happy to have that right taken away. After all - if you - as a transport company had bought a used truck, you would be a bit miffed if at some point in the future, it was taken off you - you would want some compensation.
So how should the UK compensate said Spanish fishermen now?
And, this also brings me to my previous question of a few weeks ago - regarding the future of the ‘border’ in Ireland. I asked the question, of how the Irish border situation should be addressed. While there were comments on how the border between North & South used to be, and there were comments on what the border is like now - there weren’t any constructive suggestions on the solution to the future border.
So, what do you all suggest are acceptable solutions to the above questions? Hey, I’m not trying to catch anyone out here - like I said, I don’t know what the answers are, but if I was a Spanish fisherman - or if I lived in Ireland - as some members of my family do - I would be very keen to know the answer.
Cheers all, Keith
kmills:
Buzzer:
Just read and absorb, Buzzer.That may or may not be true Buzzer - but you didn’t mind making a few quid out of it when it suited you eh? Wasn’t it during the 90’s - once we didn’t have to stop at borders, once we were allowed to fill up on cheap foreign fuel - etc… that your fleet was at it’s peak?
Same for you Dennis - you didn’t mind making a quid, running over the water during the 90’s either.All joking & jesting aside - there has been some talk regarding fishing rights within Uk waters post Brexit- so a question to you brexiteers - (I don’t have an answer to this question - there’s no right or wrong - )- I’m assuming though that the most ardent brexiteers among us would have considered questions like this before they voted;
So what should happen re fishing rights? - after all, my understanding was at the time, that many UK fishermen sold their quotas - their fishing rights- to European (mainly Spanish) fishermen. Now, if I was a Spanish fisherman who had agreed a deal, and paid hard earned cash for the right to fish in certain area, I think I wouldn’t be too happy to have that right taken away. After all - if you - as a transport company had bought a used truck, you would be a bit miffed if at some point in the future, it was taken off you - you would want some compensation.
So how should the UK compensate said Spanish fishermen now?
And, this also brings me to my previous question of a few weeks ago - regarding the future of the ‘border’ in Ireland. I asked the question, of how the Irish border situation should be addressed. While there were comments on how the border between North & South used to be, and there were comments on what the border is like now - there weren’t any constructive suggestions on the solution to the future border.
So, what do you all suggest are acceptable solutions to the above questions? Hey, I’m not trying to catch anyone out here - like I said, I don’t know what the answers are, but if I was a Spanish fisherman - or if I lived in Ireland - as some members of my family do - I would be very keen to know the answer.
Cheers all, Keith
If your questions are directed at all of us, Keith, not just the 2 you mentioned, then I apologise for not making my own feelings clear about the border before. To me, as I of course believe in open borders across the European Union, and the Union itself, (imo the best thing that has happened to Europe in a thousand years, all other attempts, beloved by Carryfast, at union, have been by force, not concensus) the solution is to at the very least remain in the customs union, but that is not what most who post here want to hear.
For the rest of your post, I applaud it wholeheartedly. Back in the day when the roads of Europe and Asia between here and Tehran were flooded with British lorries, many actively seeking ways around the rules (me included, despite Buzzer’s jibe, I do have experience in driving and management), we all thought it was a jolly good thing. How easily some forget, now that the boot is on the other foot and it is the entrepreneurs from the east who are ‘working the system’ to the disadvantage of those who can’t compete and cry foul. Foul, yes, but the fault is with all those western countries affected, it is those governments, including many successive British ones, who refuse to enforce the rules. This is not the lawmaker’s, in Brussels, fault, the rules are there, but ignored. Leaving the Union will not improve that without tough action. Britain, out of the Union, will find it much harder to take that action without a large degree of self harm.
Fishing? What good does it do to leave the club? In an already impoverished industry, the foreigners will take legal action if their contracted rights are reneged on, or, they will simply buy British registered boats and operate from there (anyone know how Christian Salveson started?). If anyone wants to stop them and catch all the fish for themselves, who are they going to sell to? And what kind of a price will they get after all that aggro?
Finally, I am quite sure in my own mind that a large number of Brexiteers did not have a clue about all the possible consequences when they voted. This is not to belittle them, I didn’t either, neither did anyone else, but there is no doubt that many of those who equally didn’t know lied through their teeth in making out that they did.
kmills:
Buzzer:
Just read and absorb, Buzzer.
That may or may not be true Buzzer - but you didn’t mind making a few quid out of it when it suited you eh? Wasn’t it during the 90’s - once we didn’t have to stop at borders, once we were allowed to fill up on cheap foreign fuel - etc… that your fleet was at it’s peak?
Same for you Dennis - you didn’t mind making a quid, running over the water during the 90’s either.
All joking & jesting aside - there has been some talk regarding fishing rights within Uk waters post Brexit- so a question to you brexiteers - (I don’t have an answer to this question - there’s no right or wrong - )- I’m assuming though that the most ardent brexiteers among us would have considered questions like this before they voted;
So what should happen re fishing rights? - after all, my understanding was at the time, that many UK fishermen sold their quotas - their fishing rights- to European (mainly Spanish) fishermen. Now, if I was a Spanish fisherman who had agreed a deal, and paid hard earned cash for the right to fish in certain area, I think I wouldn’t be too happy to have that right taken away. After all - if you - as a transport company had bought a used truck, you would be a bit miffed if at some point in the future, it was taken off you - you would want some compensation.
So how should the UK compensate said Spanish fishermen now?
And, this also brings me to my previous question of a few weeks ago - regarding the future of the ‘border’ in Ireland. I asked the question, of how the Irish border situation should be addressed. While there were comments on how the border between North & South used to be, and there were comments on what the border is like now - there weren’t any constructive suggestions on the solution to the future border.
Well there’s a thing Keith we did fill our trucks in Europe as every man and his dog did, no special measures for my company sometimes we diverted through Lux as did many companies as it was worth a few extra miles when you were buying say 600 liters we also used to fill up in Italy on our way home, remember top tanks leaking a bit as they were full to the brim and chucking 40 ■■■■ out the window to the Italian Dogana man as you went through the border back into France over Cenis late at night.
As for our fishermen who sold there quota’s to foriegners well while i was making my way in the International transport world and a pretty penny as you put it my memory floods back to that time of permit regulated traffic and in my time to enable us to do this work we had to puchase extra authorisations to be able to expand, my first EC permit cost me £10.000 pounds and as time went on they did get a bit cheaper on the open market plus we bought numerous allocations from operators who never ever went over the channel and had no intentions of doing so but aquired them as they were able too back then, all they needed was an International “O” licence, i never did work out what we actually spent on permits of one kind and another but it was a hell of alot. In the end we had about fifteen EC permit books and one ECMT pink book plus all the other single journey permits, then in one fowl swoop they all became useless over night when border formalities came to an end, no compensation just a total loss and to ad insult to injury then any Tom, ■■■■ or Harry was doing the job and slashing the rates at the same time.
Now i would not change any of what i did in the past and enjoyed every day of the action but it was not a good a money making machine as you think, always reinvesting in new eqipment building up the company. Now all said and done i am pleased not to be involved in the day to day any more and happy to let my two sons carry on with the buisness that i started, different world today as far more rules and regs to be adhered too and while we are on that subject the UK must be the worst at enforcing the law out of all the EU countries, we just dont do enough enforcement and what a money making machine that could be.
As for the border in Ireland i dont know what the answer is and the trouble with that is neither does Theresa May or any of the EU bods, the only goog thing to my mind is that it may give us a no deal Brexit which would IMHO be far better than what our remainer leader Mrs May wants to do and I feel a big mutiny coming about with her cabinet, the sun is shining here hope it is where you are, Cheers Buzzer
kmills:
Buzzer:
Just read and absorb, Buzzer.That may or may not be true Buzzer - but you didn’t mind making a few quid out of it when it suited you eh? Wasn’t it during the 90’s - once we didn’t have to stop at borders, once we were allowed to fill up on cheap foreign fuel - etc… that your fleet was at it’s peak?
Same for you Dennis - you didn’t mind making a quid, running over the water during the 90’s either.All joking & jesting aside - there has been some talk regarding fishing rights within Uk waters post Brexit- so a question to you brexiteers - (I don’t have an answer to this question - there’s no right or wrong - )- I’m assuming though that the most ardent brexiteers among us would have considered questions like this before they voted;
So what should happen re fishing rights? - after all, my understanding was at the time, that many UK fishermen sold their quotas - their fishing rights- to European (mainly Spanish) fishermen. Now, if I was a Spanish fisherman who had agreed a deal, and paid hard earned cash for the right to fish in certain area, I think I wouldn’t be too happy to have that right taken away. After all - if you - as a transport company had bought a used truck, you would be a bit miffed if at some point in the future, it was taken off you - you would want some compensation.
So how should the UK compensate said Spanish fishermen now?
And, this also brings me to my previous question of a few weeks ago - regarding the future of the ‘border’ in Ireland. I asked the question, of how the Irish border situation should be addressed. While there were comments on how the border between North & South used to be, and there were comments on what the border is like now - there weren’t any constructive suggestions on the solution to the future border.
So, what do you all suggest are acceptable solutions to the above questions? Hey, I’m not trying to catch anyone out here - like I said, I don’t know what the answers are, but if I was a Spanish fisherman - or if I lived in Ireland - as some members of my family do - I would be very keen to know the answer.
Cheers all, Keith
Firstly the fishing issue would be something along the lines of the US interest in the casino and night club business in Cuba after Castro came to power.IE that was then this is now we’re no longer part of the EU and any deals in place as an EU member state are no longer in place from the date we secede.While surely anyone buying into such an EU member state dependent deal would know that secession means that all bets are off on the basis that the rights were never sold or bought on the basis of being guaranteed to remain in place if we are no longer an EU member state.Why would anyone expect different.
As for the Irish border no surprise that Remainers are trying to deliberately confuse the security measures required during the troubles with the bs idea that there was always a 100 foot high wall with machine gun guarded border posts built across Ireland from 1920 and that there was always a need for such a border from that date.All as part of their project sabotage to derail Brexit.
Carryfast:
kmills:
Buzzer:
Just read and absorb, Buzzer.That may or may not be true Buzzer - but you didn’t mind making a few quid out of it when it suited you eh? Wasn’t it during the 90’s - once we didn’t have to stop at borders, once we were allowed to fill up on cheap foreign fuel - etc… that your fleet was at it’s peak?
Same for you Dennis - you didn’t mind making a quid, running over the water during the 90’s either.All joking & jesting aside - there has been some talk regarding fishing rights within Uk waters post Brexit- so a question to you brexiteers - (I don’t have an answer to this question - there’s no right or wrong - )- I’m assuming though that the most ardent brexiteers among us would have considered questions like this before they voted;
So what should happen re fishing rights? - after all, my understanding was at the time, that many UK fishermen sold their quotas - their fishing rights- to European (mainly Spanish) fishermen. Now, if I was a Spanish fisherman who had agreed a deal, and paid hard earned cash for the right to fish in certain area, I think I wouldn’t be too happy to have that right taken away. After all - if you - as a transport company had bought a used truck, you would be a bit miffed if at some point in the future, it was taken off you - you would want some compensation.
So how should the UK compensate said Spanish fishermen now?
And, this also brings me to my previous question of a few weeks ago - regarding the future of the ‘border’ in Ireland. I asked the question, of how the Irish border situation should be addressed. While there were comments on how the border between North & South used to be, and there were comments on what the border is like now - there weren’t any constructive suggestions on the solution to the future border.
So, what do you all suggest are acceptable solutions to the above questions? Hey, I’m not trying to catch anyone out here - like I said, I don’t know what the answers are, but if I was a Spanish fisherman - or if I lived in Ireland - as some members of my family do - I would be very keen to know the answer.
Cheers all, Keith
Firstly the fishing issue would be something along the lines of the US interest in the casino and night club business in Cuba after Castro came to power.IE that was then this is now we’re no longer part of the EU and any deals in place as an EU member state are no longer in place from the date we secede.While surely anyone buying into such an EU member state dependent deal would know that secession means that all bets are off on the basis that the rights were never sold or bought on the basis of being guaranteed to remain in place if we are no longer an EU member state.Why would anyone expect different.
As for the Irish border no surprise that Remainers are trying to deliberately confuse the security measures required during the troubles with the bs idea that there was always a 100 foot high wall with machine gun guarded border posts built across Ireland from 1920 and that there was always a need for such a border from that date.All as part of their project sabotage to derail Brexit.
“Deliberately confuse”?
After Eire became independent of the UK it entered into a special trading agreement with it. Eire and the UK joined the Common Market and the EU at the same time. Since way before 1920 there has been no customs need for a physical border. Brexit may well mean there is a need for such a border as we may be in separate customs zones.
This border will possibly be necessary for CUSTOMS reasons.
Now, it seems true there may be security implications to having a border there. Hence concern over how a minority may seek to use this as an excuse to rekindle old arguments. I certainly don’t know enough to say how real that risk is.
We can all see however that any obstructions to trade will cost time and money.
And borders always provide business opportunities for legitimate customs agents to charge us for papers and illegitimate trade: smugglers.
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Franglais:
“Deliberately confuse”?
After Eire became independent of the UK it entered into a special trading agreement with it. Eire and the UK joined the Common Market and the EU at the same time. Since way before 1920 there has been no customs need for a physical border. Brexit may well mean there is a need for such a border as we may be in separate customs zones.
This border will possibly be necessary for CUSTOMS reasons.
Now, it seems true there may be security implications to having a border there. Hence concern over how a minority may seek to use this as an excuse to rekindle old arguments. I certainly don’t know enough to say how real that risk is.
We can all see however that any obstructions to trade will cost time and money.
And borders always provide business opportunities for legitimate customs agents to charge us for papers and illegitimate trade: smugglers.
The ‘special agreement’ between Eire and us still exists just the same as it did in 1921 with obviously no border before 1920 because Eire didn’t exist being part of the UK.So what’s the problem ?.Oh wait the EU doesn’t do secession so wants to use the non existent Irish border issue as a Trojan Horse to stop us.A wall with border posts is no more necessary now than it was then in that regard because as you know duty is paid at the point of purchase/sale not at the uk border.While immigration control obviously applies whether we’re in the EU or not.While by your logic Heathrow would be jammed with aircraft parked on the runway waiting for customs clearance to offload their passengers and freight.While the South Western approaches and the Channel would be blocked with anchored ships waiting for same.Not to mention all those stuck ferries that couldn’t dock because of the supposed back log of traffic waiting to clear customs at Dover before 1973 and the Single European Act.
Having said that if Ireland really wants to cause havoc to Anglo Irish trade and travel by tearing up the CTA agreement etc bring it on and see who blinks first.While it seems obvious that any sensible country and responsible government would have sussed the hostile intent of the EU in all this and acted accordingly in calling it what it is an issue of national security to us and aggression on the part of the EU in applying sanctions in the case of secession and trying to interfere in the internal affairs of any secessionist state as part of doing whatever it takes to stop it.Nothing new there in the control freak Federalist mindset.
As for smuggling as I said what stops anyone bringing in a tanker load of Luxembourg bought diesel or a truck load of cigs via Eire now or for that matter a new Luxembourg bought car driven across the border into Denmark thereby avoiding almost 100 % Danish car purchase tax.Single market and the need for a 100 foot high wall and machine gun armed border posts across Ireland and on the Danish/German/Lux border yeah right.
What worries me most about Brexit & the potential re-adjustment of our position subject to any final deal is that the Brexit camp is home to some extremely nasty people that make CF & his mates look like (Nelson Mandela/ Ma Teresa) the fairy on top of the tree.
If that lot: (BNP – Inglish National Party etc.) get going, god help us, even escaping to Cornwall, Wales, Ireland or Scotland won’t be far enough !!
Morning all,
Sorry, I can not get my head arround this huge issue about the N/Irlend boarder, “will some one tell me please” ■■?
In 1967 I used to travel in my Austin 1100 from Belfast to Dublin every friday morning and back again in the evening, I did this for over a year.
Durex, coffee and girly mags under the seat heading south.
Warrenpoint was two controle posts with a few hundren yards in between, great bunch of blokes each end and no problems.
Trucks handed over paperwork with the engine running and may or may not be told to pull over for inspection, ok not so many trucks on the road but never a problem.
I drive part time for Mc Burney transport who are in Ballamena although i am in Stranraer, they say, no problem with clearing boarders with new technology as long as it is cleared before you set off, they see no problem. P&O and Stenna say we may need a few more staff, have to see type of thing so why all this big problem over the boarder.
We are leaving the club, it is surly up to the EU countries to sort out how they want to handle any boarder issues.
I like everone on this site have a little fear for what is arround the corner but we can do this, have faith. “I put that bit in for CF & Spardo” Harvey
