My last caption did not fair too well, how about this one.
I’m not joking just trying to be pragmatic. It all changed when the Tories lost their majority in the election after that getting any deal through parliament which voted 75% remain was bound to be near impossible. I know it’s not what we voted for but mp,s always think they know better.
Hi Franglais.We didn’t do too bad in the centuries before the last 40 years or so either.
Franglais:
Gidders:
We are the 5th largest economy in the world for heavens sake.Well, we haven’t done so badly from the past forty years of EU cooperation then have we?
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No the fat cats, big business, financial and commodity speculators, hedge funds etc ahve all done very well out of the Common Market/ EEC/EU, but the man in the street and the labour force / voters have been stabbed in the back by it. Listen to Tony Benn at 2.00 pointing out that the vote is the only thing the otherwise powerless man in the street has to influence things which affect him.
youtube.com/watch?v=_zBFh6bpcMo
More from Peter Shore reninding the Oxford Union that the treaty of Rome stipulated that Freedom of Movement extended to Money and Businesses. And look what followed to our industries and those employed within them.
Start at 11.00 for full relevance to the point but the entire speech is worthy of a listen.
Anyone under the age of 70 posted on this thread yet?
71 Me 
Yes, I was a mere nipper of 62 when I cast my vote of confidence in the UK’s future as an independent nation. With the way it’s dragging on, I feel a ■■■■ sight older (and ever more convinced I was right) today.
Gidders:
Hi Franglais.We didn’t do too bad in the centuries before the last 40 years or so either.
Are you suggesting that Britain should ■■■■, pillage and trade slaves around the world & create another Empire then?
You need to be more specific mate.
Cheers Keith
cav551:
Franglais:
Gidders:
We are the 5th largest economy in the world for heavens sake.Well, we haven’t done so badly from the past forty years of EU cooperation then have we?
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No the fat cats, big business, financial and commodity speculators, hedge funds etc ahve all done very well out of the Common Market/ EEC/EU, but the man in the street and the labour force / voters have been stabbed in the back by it. Listen to Tony Benn at 2.00 pointing out that the vote is the only thing the otherwise powerless man in the street has to influence things which affect him.
youtube.com/watch?v=_zBFh6bpcMo
More from Peter Shore reninding the Oxford Union that the treaty of Rome stipulated that Freedom of Movement extended to Money and Businesses. And look what followed to our industries and those employed within them.
Start at 11.00 for full relevance to the point but the entire speech is worthy of a listen.
But you can’t blame the EU for the way the UK’s wealth is distributed internally can you?
If the wealth gap is increasing here that is the fault of our very own home grown politicians. Our tax system is now a ĺess progressive one than before and that’s because of Westminster not Brussels.
You are correct the UK workers aren’t doing too well at the moment.
Gidders is correct the UK national economy is doing well.
I suggest it’s clear that the distribution of our own national wealth is the responsibility of our own UK government.
And they’ve got it wrong.
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whisperingsmith:
Anyone under the age of 70 posted on this thread yet?71 Me
Yes too young to vote in the 1975 referendum.Strange how we didn’t hear any calls then by the Fderalists to lower the voting age to 16 for that one though for some reason.
Franglais:
cav551:
Franglais:
Gidders:
We are the 5th largest economy in the world for heavens sake.Well, we haven’t done so badly from the past forty years of EU cooperation then have we?
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No the fat cats, big business, financial and commodity speculators, hedge funds etc ahve all done very well out of the Common Market/ EEC/EU, but the man in the street and the labour force / voters have been stabbed in the back by it. Listen to Tony Benn at 2.00 pointing out that the vote is the only thing the otherwise powerless man in the street has to influence things which affect him.
youtube.com/watch?v=_zBFh6bpcMo
More from Peter Shore reninding the Oxford Union that the treaty of Rome stipulated that Freedom of Movement extended to Money and Businesses. And look what followed to our industries and those employed within them.
Start at 11.00 for full relevance to the point but the entire speech is worthy of a listen.
But you can’t blame the EU for the way the UK’s wealth is distributed internally can you?
If the wealth gap is increasing here that is the fault of our very own home grown politicians. Our tax system is now a ĺess progressive one than before and that’s because of Westminster not Brussels.You are correct the UK workers aren’t doing too well at the moment.
Gidders is correct the UK national economy is doing well.I suggest it’s clear that the distribution of our own national wealth is the responsibility of our own UK government.
And they’ve got it wrong.
Only a blind EU Federalist would call our EU trade deficit and contributions bill and resulting debt and austerity ‘doing well’ let alone deliberately trying to confuse that with national wealth distribution.As for UK workers you’re right for once.But what do you expect with Brit jobs for foreign workers either in the form of importing stuff we can make for ourselves or importing low wage expectation Labour we don’t need adding to the Labour supply.Thereby putting a brake ( anchor ) on wages and tax revenues.Then the unions say we need the single market like turkeys voting for Christmas.When what they really mean is no price is too high to pay for the Soviet Socialist government opportunities provided by the dictatorial EU Federal government system.
kmills:
Are you suggesting that Britain should ■■■■, pillage and trade slaves around the world & create another Empire then?
You need to be more specific mate.
Cheers Keith
As I said bunch of Soviet Socialists with a self loathing of their own country.The situation as it was in the 1960’s early 70’s would do just fine.You know when we had the right to strike and a trading regime which benefitted our own workers not foreign ones.Strange but no surprise how China doesn’t get accused of being a modern day exploitative regime reliant on effectively slave labour and using the competitive edge that gives it to wage economic warfare on the world and stripping the world of the resources needed to sustain that.But that wouldn’t fit the cultural Marxist’s EUSSR,subservient to their Chinese masters’ world ■■■■■■■■■■ script.
Buzzer:
My last caption did not fair too well, how about this one.
So 39 billion quid is a lot of money?
Yep, it is.
If the UK Gov spend is about 800 billion annually it’s about a twentieth part. Or 18 days worth of expenditure.
Comparing a national expenditure with a nurse’s salary isn’t really very enlightening in my opinion.
Government spends and wages are both measured in money, but comparing the two tells us little, but those who use these comparisons may be trying to fool us into believing one could easily be switched into the other. It’s a bit more complicated than that in the real world, as we all know.
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Bewick:
malmic:
it’s very easy to sit at a keyboard firing insults at Theresa May words i’m sure you wouldn’t use to her face I admire her tremendously for doing the best she can in near impossible circumstances some of you won’t be happy until we’ve got Jeremy Corbyn running the countryYou are joking “malmic” aren’t you ? The woman is a dyed in the wool Remainer and has she [zb] like tried to get us a good deal ! Her objective has always been if not to keep us fully in the EU but to keep us in at least in all but name ! And I would repeat to her face what I believe to be the truth ! It will now be a miracle if the UK can stagger toward the 29th of March and we manage to leave with “no deal” which is the only sensible clean break outcome that will deliver what 17 odd million of us voted for in 2016 anything less than this will be an affront to Democracy ! Cheers Bewick.PS and I agree with you that Jeremy Corbyn is the last [zb] I, along with millions of sensible sane folk, want to see in No 10!
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As for Labour v Cons when the stakes are the very survival of the Nation which they are both allied in wanting to hand over to the EU the choice between Labour ( Starmer ) v Cons is moot.When realistically either UKIP manage to pull off a miracle in the next General election ( assuming it’s not rigged ) or it’s game over anyway and the Germans finally win in which case at least Labour will put the place out of its misery in being unable to meet the EU contributions bill a bit quicker.
While the East Euro situation could get tasty when the EU tries to enforce the UN immigration global compact on them.Watch them then suddenly turn back to their slavic Russian brothers for help with ze Germans ordering the Brits to advance as mine clearance and to use up Russian artillery and tank ammunition to save German losses. 
Franglais:
Buzzer:
My last caption did not fair too well, how about this one.So 39 billion quid is a lot of money?
Yep, it is.If the UK Gov spend is about 800 billion annually it’s about a twentieth part. Or 18 days worth of expenditure.
Comparing a national expenditure with a nurse’s salary isn’t really very enlightening in my opinion.
Government spends and wages are both measured in money, but comparing the two tells us little, but those who use these comparisons may be trying to fool us into believing one could easily be switched into the other. It’s a bit more complicated than that in the real world, as we all know.
Really so add the 39 billion to the 60 billion + trade deficit figure and tell us how we make up the shortfall in the balance of payments accounts while also increasing expenditure on the NHS.As opposed to inflicting cuts to help meet the resulting debt.Look on the bright side at least the trade surplus with America helps in that regard.To which the EU’s answer is let’s ■■■■■■■ that trade relationship with tariffs to help the Germans flog even more stuff here adding to the deficit figure even more.
Bewick:
malmic:
Bewick:
I’ve just watched the duplicitous ■■■■■ on the news shaking hands with that [zb] Junker and grinning at him like a Cheshire cat ! What’s the betting that behind closed doors she is saying privately " Well Jean Claude, you drunken [zb], I’ve managed to achieve the result we have both wanted to see, in that I’ve [zb] the job up solid and got everybody at each others throat so just bear with me and fingers crossed we will not be leaving the EU and those silly, misguided, [zb] that voted Leave will have to get back in line and do as we [zb] well tell them. Furthermore I have done what I said I would do as I have always been a Remainer and never intended to deliver the Democratic will of the People and in the next few days I will “jack it” and leave the whole job in chaos and stand back and watch my “colleagues” fight like rats in a sack to take over from me , and yes Jean Paul I will have a Great Christmas although I assume that you will be ■■■■■■ as a pudding throughout the Festive Season no longer having to worry about the ultimate outcome !" Merry Christmas Your Loyal Subject Teresa M. !it’s very easy to sit at a keyboard firing insults at Theresa May words i’m sure you wouldn’t use to her face I admire her tremendously for doing the best she can in near impossible circumstances some of you won’t be happy until we’ve got Jeremy Corbyn running the country
You are joking “malmic” aren’t you ? The woman is a dyed in the wool Remainer and has she [zb] like tried to get us a good deal ! Her objective has always been if not to keep us fully in the EU but to keep us in at least in all but name ! And I would repeat to her face what I believe to be the truth ! It will now be a miracle if the UK can stagger toward the 29th of March and we manage to leave with “no deal” which is the only sensible clean break outcome that will deliver what 17 odd million of us voted for in 2016 anything less than this will be an affront to Democracy ! Cheers Bewick.PS and I agree with you that Jeremy Corbyn is the last [zb] I, along with millions of sensible sane folk, want to see in No 10!
I thought that Theresa May would be a safe pair of hands when she became PM, and I posted as such on here. How wrong I was. Whatever motives she has, either open, hidden, secret, or plain treacherous, she has no concept of the notion of democracy either. As I watched the news on Monday night I reached the conclusion that politics and politicians in this country has sunk to the level of politics in a Banana Republic. As for Corbyn running the country, well it would only be for 5 years under the fixed terms act.
if my MP is anything to go by (mr peter bone) i wouldn’t trust any brexiteer mp’s as far as i could throw a grand piano to be honest.
Well apparently there are 48 letters of no confidence in the prime minister and now she faces a vote and if she loses that we will have a new PM, if she wins we are stuck with her for at least another year. Who do you all think would be the best successor should she lose to sort this whole bloody mess out, Buzzer.
whisperingsmith:
Anyone under the age of 70 posted on this thread yet?71 Me
Me I’m 49
By definition we are talking about the most devious bunch - politicians. I certainly don’t put it past May’s supporters to have submitted last minute letters in order to trigger a leadership election, with the intention of making her invulnerable for another 12 months.
Buzzer:
Well apparently there are 48 letters of no confidence in the prime minister and now she faces a vote and if she loses that we will have a new PM, if she wins we are stuck with her for at least another year. Who do you all think would be the best successor should she lose to sort this whole bloody mess out, Buzzer.
Such is our system, it doesn’t matter a ■■■■ what any of us think now.
The parliamentary Tory party are about to decide if she gets the sack. And given what a selfish shower of **** they are, the country will be secondary to their own ambitions.
If I did have a say, I would go with Larry. At least he does his job at number ten without getting too fat.
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