Brexit , borders and lorries

jamdoms:

Winseer:
I just clicked that link, and got a blank white page.

Don’t be lazy, type the link into your search engine… Job done.

Or take the ‘‘d’’ off of the front of said link.

committees.parliament.uk/oralevidence/629/pdf/

Happy to help.

Nice to see that it’s REAL EVERYDAY people on this committee :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :unamused:

Members present: The Earl of Kinnoull (The Chair); Baroness Brown of
Cambridge; Lord Cavendish of Furness; Baroness Couttie; Baroness Donaghy;
Lord Faulkner of Worcester; Baroness Hamwee; Lord Kerr of Kinlochard; Lord
Lamont of Lerwick; Baroness Neville-Rolfe; Lord Oates; Baroness Primarolo;
Lord Ricketts; Lord Sharkey; Lord Teverson; Lord Thomas of Cwmgiedd;
Baroness Verma; Lord Wood of Anfield

House of Lords must’ve been empty that day :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

What a list! Working class heroes and men of the people all.

Imagine how much our economy would take off - if those in charge got deducted for their mistakes that cost the firm money, rather than win bonuses for picking their underling’s pockets all the time instead…

Winseer:
Imagine how much our economy would take off - if those in charge got deducted for their mistakes that cost the firm money, rather than win bonuses for picking their underling’s pockets all the time instead…

Never gonna happen is it ■■

The rich look after each other and the minnions, the like of us , suffer and pay $$$$$$$$$$$

pierrot 14:

Winseer:
Imagine how much our economy would take off - if those in charge got deducted for their mistakes that cost the firm money, rather than win bonuses for picking their underling’s pockets all the time instead…

Never gonna happen is it ■■

The rich look after each other and the minnions, the like of us , suffer and pay $$$$$$$$$$$

Beats me how “Them and Us” have succeeded in getting what used to be shop floor workers to do the bidding of the masters without that permanent advancement in rank, pension rights, holidays etc. that we used to associate with “selling out, and moving up to join the enemy”…

What a coup - to turn the senior, but less effective drivers one day into “Poachers-■■■-gamekeepers”…
They can be relied upon to act in preserve their own positions, with higher management able to now go back to their ivory towers, “hands clean” of any unpleasentness being meted out as “Company Policy” such as “Breaking laws with impunity” of course…

In Truth, the unacccountable Centerists - are as much in control of the big machine as ever, breaking their own “rights” laws with impunity whenever it suits them, and getting some “acting manager” to dish the dirt so they remain distanced from it all.

It would have made sense if the ordinary shop-floor worker got some kind of financial inducement to bust their fellow workers out of their jobs out of nothing more than “spite” - but that didn’t appear to have proved necessary…

On topic:
kentonline.co.uk/ashford/ne … ed-230216/
Gov (may) have bought a site at Ashford for truck-park/customs-clearance.
theguardian.com/politics/20 … lt-in-kent
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1.3 million sq feet? = 30acres.
Looking at this
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=45358
50 trucks per acre?
So, 1,500 truck spaces? Does that sound a lot?
Dover is currently moving about 2,500,000 freight units per year.
doverport.co.uk/about/performance/
With peaks and troughs, does about 8,000 a day seem OK?

Maybe the land is for a staff car park, for extra customs officers, and traffic marshals, rather than truck parking then?

Franglais:
On topic:
kentonline.co.uk/ashford/ne … ed-230216/
Gov (may) have bought a site at Ashford for truck-park/customs-clearance.
theguardian.com/politics/20 … lt-in-kent
.
1.3 million sq feet? = 30acres.
Looking at this
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=45358
50 trucks per acre?
So, 1,500 truck spaces? Does that sound a lot?
Dover is currently moving about 2,500,000 freight units per year.
doverport.co.uk/about/performance/
With peaks and troughs, does about 8,000 a day seem OK?

Maybe the land is for a staff car park, for extra customs officers, and traffic marshals, rather than truck parking then?

Why put a customs post in Ashford at all?

I could imagine trucks systematically bailing out all the illegals on back halfway through Roundhill Tunnel on the way, or anywhere else along that stretch of road before the M20 starts proper, come to that…
A customs post in Ashford SHOULD mean “every truck entering the country gets escorted there by customs vehicle”.
That’s not practical though - is it?

Another way it could be done is a trade embargo with the EU of course…
No one gets smuggled through in a truck - if there are no more trucks coming to blighty, except our own brit boys and girls returning from overseas runs…
Far fewer to check, enough staff already to check them ALL, I reckon.

Winseer:

Franglais:
On topic:
kentonline.co.uk/ashford/ne … ed-230216/
Gov (may) have bought a site at Ashford for truck-park/customs-clearance.
theguardian.com/politics/20 … lt-in-kent
.
1.3 million sq feet? = 30acres.
Looking at this
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=45358
50 trucks per acre?
So, 1,500 truck spaces? Does that sound a lot?
Dover is currently moving about 2,500,000 freight units per year.
doverport.co.uk/about/performance/
With peaks and troughs, does about 8,000 a day seem OK?

Maybe the land is for a staff car park, for extra customs officers, and traffic marshals, rather than truck parking then?

Why put a customs post in Ashford at all?

I could imagine trucks systematically bailing out all the illegals on back halfway through Roundhill Tunnel on the way, or anywhere else along that stretch of road before the M20 starts proper, come to that…
A customs post in Ashford SHOULD mean “every truck entering the country gets escorted there by customs vehicle”.
That’s not practical though - is it?

Another way it could be done is a trade embargo with the EU of course…
No one gets smuggled through in a truck - if there are no more trucks coming to blighty, except our own brit boys and girls returning from overseas runs…
Far fewer to check, enough staff already to check them ALL, I reckon.

youtube.com/watch?v=7_KIzbktgJk

Elizabeth Mary Truss, a conservative , serving as Secretary of State for International Trade and President of the Board of Trade issues a letter warning that the UK isn’t ready for Brexit.
What’s going on ? It’s not what we were promised.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=wNJbBg8NMr4

bbc.com/news/uk-politics-53375713

Phew! That was close!
The “imminent driver shortage” might have meant employers upping wages, but fortunately Priti Patel has said: “We will scrap the bureaucratic Resident Labour Market Test, lower the skills and salary threshold and remove the cap on skilled workers.”
Good to see that our Gov is keeping our “competitive business edge”!

Is this the massive country, a superpower, of over 1.4 billion people, that this country of about 70 million people want sign a good trade deal with on our own?
We are independent, which means, on our own now.

Ministers fear China will blitz UK with a devastating online attack – dubbed ‘cyber 9/11’ - amid perfect storm of diplomatic fallouts

dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … l#comments

Anything with…

The words ‘Daily Mail’ on it when I was a nipper were either chip wrappings or bog paper.

hkloss1:
Is this the massive country, a superpower, of over 1.4 billion people, that this country of about 70 million people want sign a good trade deal with on our own?
We are independent, which means, on our own now.

Ministers fear China will blitz UK with a devastating online attack – dubbed ‘cyber 9/11’ - amid perfect storm of diplomatic fallouts

dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … l#comments

Somewhat similar point of view here:
theguardian.com/commentisfr … -relations
Of course Ian Duncan-Smith isnt actually thinking about his, and the ERGs, part in it all, (quelle surprize) but even he may be having a clearer view with hindsight?
Leaving (or left) the EU, no deals yet with the US, or China, and Shock! Horror! these two major financial giants might actually want some quid pro quo in return for trading with us, and investing here! Who could have foreseen that?

msn.com/en-gb/news/brexit/7 … -ntp-feeds

£ 705 million - and the Kent Councillor says the 27 acre site is not for a lorry park . Like there’s parking anywhere in Kent. The Brexit dividend just keeps on giving - Hope the magic money tree doesn’t die.

hkloss1:
Elizabeth Mary Truss, a conservative , serving as Secretary of State for International Trade and President of the Board of Trade issues a letter warning that the UK isn’t ready for Brexit.
What’s going on ? It’s not what we were promised.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=wNJbBg8NMr4

There was me starting to half-believe such an outrageous claim, until I clicked and saw the famillar face of James O Bloody Brien, which downgrades all credence to about the level of “Random Bulls hit” which is all the Leftie Broadcast Cynics formerlly known as “LBC” seems to have these days…

yourhavingalarf:
Anything with…

The words ‘Daily Mail’ on it when I was a nipper were either chip wrappings or bog paper.

These days, I think the next person to brown-nose me getting a whiff of vinegar is preferable to the average under-researched daily fail ■■■■■… :unamused:

Franglais:

hkloss1:
Is this the massive country, a superpower, of over 1.4 billion people, that this country of about 70 million people want sign a good trade deal with on our own?
We are independent, which means, on our own now.

Ministers fear China will blitz UK with a devastating online attack – dubbed ‘cyber 9/11’ - amid perfect storm of diplomatic fallouts

dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … l#comments

Somewhat similar point of view here:
theguardian.com/commentisfr … -relations
Of course Ian Duncan-Smith isnt actually thinking about his, and the ERGs, part in it all, (quelle surprize) but even he may be having a clearer view with hindsight?
Leaving (or left) the EU, no deals yet with the US, or China, and Shock! Horror! these two major financial giants might actually want some quid pro quo in return for trading with us, and investing here! Who could have foreseen that?

Beats me why China are up in arms about the UK about to take on 3m or so Hong Kongers… There was me thinking they’d be holding the proverbial door open for them to get the hell out of dodge?!

The best way for the UK and the entire West to “punish China” - is to default all their national debts to China, and reset the Western Hemisphere’s credit card to “Live within your means from now on”…

The annual interest saved alone would be enough to buy back all the gold Gordon Brown flogged off on the cheap a couple of decades back…

In any case, such a Chinese “Cyber Attack” would almost definitely involve some kind of electronic market manipulation that allows the Chinese Banking System to get heavily short of Sterling (if they’re not in league with the EU, and there already!) since they cannot short that other asset likely to plummet in value - the Long Gilt. This is because the Chinese actually own outright a rather large number of these so-called Gilt-edged securities purchased over the past 40 years or so. Labour Governments have coveted the Chinese Credit line so much over the years, but now there really IS “No more money”, just the actual non-debt assets we have in our vaults, like Precious Metals.

Paper Currency and Bond Debt - are NOT “Assets”. You can’t even wipe your arse with bond paper, as it’ll cut your sphincter up like Izal Toilet paper at best, and give your hard cash a funny smell at worst…

Franglais:
Brexit: Gove defends £705m plan for border posts and staff

Phew! That was close!
The “imminent driver shortage” might have meant employers upping wages, but fortunately Priti Patel has said: “We will scrap the bureaucratic Resident Labour Market Test, lower the skills and salary threshold and remove the cap on skilled workers.”
Good to see that our Gov is keeping our “competitive business edge”!

How do you know the main reason for this entire Covid thing - is a last-minute excuse to drop Brexit, combined with an ongoing excuse to cut everyone’s pay and income to immigrant’s level in this country?

Labour’s rule from 1997 started going wrong shortly after 9/11 - by Unions accepting thin-end-of-the-wedge stitch-up deals in exchange for some one-off inflation busting pay rise.
Oh how our unions sold us all out for a handful of beans!!

They could have tightened up the screws by making future actual vocational training available for those staff that have already worked there for five years, and required the same of agencies supplying staff as well, of course… Hey Presto - 2 years experience to work on an agency goes up to five overnight, and each agency that had 500 staff on their books, about 150 of them getting work at any point, suddenly find only 100 staff on their books, with the 50 shortfall pushing wages up 50% to compensate… ACTUAL market forces, ACTUAL supply-and-demand Captalism being allowed to effect “Price Discovery” as it bloody well should at all times, but never does - thicko Union leaders who’ve never made a market in their lives to blame…

I was correct then.
You aren’t serious.