thank you all and thank you peter for your reply that’s very kind of you. I live in Lowestoft in Suffolk east coast not sure where you are based peter. not sure what all the abbreviations mean so will be looking them up soon. I passed my C and C+E in larkihill/Salisbury area when I was in the army. I though Salisbury was quite I tough places to drive as it was very busy. since then iv never really had to drive and lorry since. 