We have been asked to build a vehicle that while it is running on the road runs on white diesel. But when the vehicle is “on site” a switch can be flicked to change it over to run on red diesel to power the jetting and vacuum pumps?
Of course there are two seperate fuel tanks, linked with a series of change over valves etc.
I am being told that there is a French company that makes exactly what we are looking for. Can anyone throw some more light on the subject please?
perfectly legal so long as the tank with the cherry in it is clearly marked “rebated fuel not for road use” although i would check with hmce as the rules on use of cherry will change next year.
I would guess that it would also require 2 seperate engines. 1 for the prime mover running on “white”, the 2nd for the ancillery equipment running on “red”
same as youd run a refridgerated artic otherwise how could you justify or prove to VOSA that you hadnt been running the prime mover on the highway fuelled by “red” diesel, as the system would be contaminated and checks would show the prime mover HAD been run at somepoint on red
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I would guess that it would also require 2 seperate engines. 1 for the prime mover running on “white”, the 2nd for the ancillery equipment running on “red”
same as youd run a refridgerated artic otherwise how could you justify or prove to VOSA that you hadnt been running the prime mover on the highway fuelled by “red” diesel, as the system would be contaminated and checks would show the prime mover HAD been run at somepoint on red
We do normally do this, the last vehicle that we built had its own Volvo FL engine mounted behind the cab just to drive all the aux equipment
But we have been asked by the customer for this very specific system, hence my question.
Dual fuel supply systems 6.9 A number of respondents proposed that vehicles with permanently attached machinery, driven by power take off from the engine used for propelling the vehicle, should be allowed to operate dual fuel supply systems. The proposal was that such vehicles should use white diesel on road, but that the engine should be supplied with a red diesel from a separate tank whilst stationary. Comment 6.10 There are obvious attractions to a solution that would permit vehicles to use white diesel for travelling between jobs and red diesel for performing work whilst stationary. However, the benefits of such an approach are outweighed by the practical considerations. Permitting the engine of a road vehicle to be connected to a red diesel tank would be a temptation to fraud. Ultimately no system is tamper proof, and we believe that the cost to industry and to Customs of ensuring compliance would be disproportional to the benefits. There are also concerns as to the implications for road safety, in the event that tampering does occur. It would be inappropriate at a time when HMRC is achieving success in bringing road fuel fraud under control, to introduce a concession that could undermine these efforts.
It would appear that they are not to keen on the idea then
Dual fuel supply systems 6.9 A number of respondents proposed that vehicles with permanently attached machinery, driven by power take off from the engine used for propelling the vehicle, should be allowed to operate dual fuel supply systems. The proposal was that such vehicles should use white diesel on road, but that the engine should be supplied with a red diesel from a separate tank whilst stationary. Comment 6.10 There are obvious attractions to a solution that would permit vehicles to use white diesel for travelling between jobs and red diesel for performing work whilst stationary. However, the benefits of such an approach are outweighed by the practical considerations. Permitting the engine of a road vehicle to be connected to a red diesel tank would be a temptation to fraud. Ultimately no system is tamper proof, and we believe that the cost to industry and to Customs of ensuring compliance would be disproportional to the benefits. There are also concerns as to the implications for road safety, in the event that tampering does occur. It would be inappropriate at a time when HMRC is achieving success in bringing road fuel fraud under control, to introduce a concession that could undermine these efforts.
It would appear that they are not to keen on the idea then
Well yes and no - they’ve said that they don’t intend doing anything about it so if you get away with running on cherry by having dual tanks, well done.
they still dontlike it. i remember a while ago they objected to menzies aviation having this device fited to their airside trucks. took it to court menzies won
I had a generator on my chassis and was not allowed to fill it with red in Germany or Holland and was dipped regular. I saw somewhere that even fridge trailers will need to run on derv next year.
The French seem to have stopped using pick axes to dip your belly tank now Harry
