part of letter given to us
detailed below are the groups drivers break infringements for oct 06 only
daily rest infringements-22
break infringements-1289 
driver/duty excess-21
i thought the 1,289 was a misprint but its not
with this in mind it is critical that all managers who are responsible for monitoring drivers hours are fully aware of there responsibilities as a serious reduction in infringement numbers must be achieved[ understatement of the decade]
What time scale is this over? How many drivers?
If you have 44 minutes, by rights it is an infringement and will tally up as such.
I get lots of very minor infringements all the time for driving 4 hours 31 minutes. Or rolling up to 101kph. The ministry wouldnât really be interested in odd minutes or kph here and there, yet technically they would still show up as breaches of the law.
Unless of course the breaches youâre talking about come from any Irish haulier. Then, I understand your point.
ezydriver:
The ministry wouldnât really be interested in odd minutes or kph here and there, yet technically they would still show up as breaches of the law.
Whilst that may partly be true, the company would be in trouble big style for not attempting to correct the misdemeanours. Especially if they are recurring.
On the wall in our place is a chart showing tacho /infringement performance. One guy out of 128 charts has 108 infringements !!
ezydriver:
What time scale is this over?
ady1:
detailed below are the groups drivers break infringements for oct 06 only
Looks like it was just for one month. Discounting Sundays during last October, that leaves 25 days which averages to just over 51 break infringements per day, if Sundays are included it is still over 41 per day. While it is true VOSA might not go overboard for the odd 44 minute break I think they would have a different view on that many.
As a matter of interest, how many drivers are in the group?
Where do they get the figures from ?
One place I worked had a specialist firm they sent the tachos to for checking. We were getting lots of infringement warnings coming back for stupid things so we checked back against the photocopies of the tachos and found they were just making stuff up. One thing they accused me of was not putting the date on or in some cases my bloody name ! After my firm called them on it, the warnings dropped to zero.
smoker:
Where do they get the figures from ?
One place I worked had a specialist firm they sent the tachos to for checking. We were getting lots of infringement warnings coming back for stupid things so we checked back against the photocopies of the tachos and found they were just making stuff up. One thing they accused me of was not putting the date on or in some cases my bloody name ! After my firm called them on it, the warnings dropped to zero.
Trutac â â 
WE get infringements if we put sdr or edr more than 15 minutes before or after our tacho starts/finishes EVEN if you put in on the back or draw cross hammers in between they still infringe it.
Last month I had about 40 infringements but VERY FEW of them were illegal ones just stupid ones invented by the FTA, and the odd forogt to put finish date on here and there 
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DAFMAD:
Trutac â â
Could be, I donât remember now. Itâs whoever does the tachos for SiG anyway.
ezydriver:
What time scale is this over? How many drivers?If you have 44 minutes, by rights it is an infringement and will tally up as such.
I get lots of very minor infringements all the time for driving 4 hours 31 minutes. Or rolling up to 101kph. The ministry wouldnât really be interested in odd minutes or kph here and there, yet technically they would still show up as breaches of the law.Unless of course the breaches youâre talking about come from any Irish haulier. Then, I understand your point.
so im now told weve got 1,500 trucks within the group, didnt no there was that many, so looking at it now it doesnt look as bad i.m.o.h.o , there now saying there making a issue of it because of vosa giving out on the spot fines and they dont want us paying fines out of our pockets, i
ady1:
there making a issue of it because of vosa giving out on the spot fines and they dont want us paying fines out of our pockets, i
Vosa will only be issuing âon the spot finesâ (not a technically correct definition, itâs actually a deposit) to drivers that do not have a current UK address on their driving licence. So unless your firm is usuing drivers still registered abroad then no-one will have to pay âfinesâ on the roadside!
Ski:
Vosa will only be issuing âon the spot finesâ (not a technically correct definition, itâs actually a deposit) to drivers that do not have a current UK address on their driving licence. So unless your firm is usuing drivers still registered abroad then no-one will have to pay âfinesâ on the roadside!
Youâre letting the facts get in the way of a new urban myth. 
Didnât you know that is why digital tachos have a paper roll? So when the VOSA man inserts his control card into the unit it will automatically print out all the on the spot fines for the offences you have committed, and you have to pay them there and then or they wonât let you move. Itâs true I tell you, my mate told me.
Neil said;
Youâre letting the facts get in the way of a new urban myth. Didnât you know that is why digital tachos have a paper roll? So when the VOSA man inserts his control card into the unit it will automatically print out all the on the spot fines for the offences you have committed, and you have to pay them there and then or they wonât let you move. Itâs true I tell you, my mate told me.
Brilliant Neil, you couldnât make something like that up 
The Road Safety Bill which became law last year allows for VOSA and the Police to issue fixed penalty tickets for a number of different things, including drivers hours, records and C&U offences.
If you have a UK address you get 28 days to pay the ticket.
If no UK address then you have to pay a âdepositâ before being allowed to continue on journey. Both Ministry and Plod will have powers to âimmobiliseâ vehicles until deposit paid.
It is up to the driver to pay, although the operator may pay on your behalf. However, if the ticket remains unpaid after 28 days (for UK drivers) expect a trip to Court. Although no-body has published any figures yet, donât expect tickets to be particularly cheap and the C&U ones will probably carry points in some cases.
Now for the next myth; An examiner can only give you a ticket if heâs got a digital tacho control card 'cos he needs the digitach to print the ticket. And thatâs why itâs an offence not to have a paper roll in the tacho, otherwise he cannot print the ticket off and you cannot be fined. Nobody explained yet what happens if youâve got an analogue tacho fitted.