I just cant get my head roundit

UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUMS THE UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUM (INTERACTIVE)
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hi folks,i need some colective brain power, iv started a new job, with a shift patern iv never came across before, two trucks, 3 drivers ,runing 7 days ,a week 365 days a year, (milk), 7,30 till 4, all 3 drivers are in on a monday,one maintanence ,2 drive then,it gets mad,3days on two off,3 day s on 2 off,9days on 2 off,then start again, each driver must cover for the other two,if ther off ie holladay,sick,? whot is the scam,ijust cant see it, and is ther an easer way,to cover all the runs, i know its alot to ask,but its driving me mad, :bulb:

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weemack

I know that you must not drive more than 6 driving periods without having a weekly rest period and just looking at the 9 on 2 off bit that sounds bent. If you are in the yard but not driving that should count as “other duty” which then counts towards your 6 duty periods per week.
I would look at this work pattern very carefully because just looking at it it does not look totally legal.
They basically need more drivers to cover the hours especially when the holidays/sick time comes around - I know the old milk board had a system but they did not do more than 6 shifts in a row - they have more drivers than wagons.

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Sorry i should have said it is tacho exempt ,picking up from farms,

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forgive my ignorence but why is it tacho exempt its still a truck so if your tired and you crash its still gonna do as much damage as anything else. :question:

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Are you 100% sure it is tacho exempt coz I thought I read in one to the trade mags that one of the milk collection hauliers got their fingers rapped on milk collection work .
Even if it is tacho exempt and you are on domestic hours rules there are restrictions on how much work you can do.

I cribed this off another web page about domestic hours rules

British domestic rules are contained in the 1968 Transport Act (as amended) and came into effect on 29 September 1986. They apply to all goods vehicle drivers whose activity falls outside the EU rules. In summary, the rules specify the following limits:

British Domestic Rules on Drivers’ Hours

Maximum daily driving 10 hours

Maximum daily duty 11 hours

Continuous duty no specified limit

Daily spreadover no specified limit

Weekly duty no specified limit

Breaks during day no specified requirement

Daily rest no specified requirement

Weekly rest no specified requirement

ALSO

the following is from the Driving’ Hours and Tachograph Rules for Goods
Vehicles in the UK and Europe
(GV262):

20 WHEN ARE DRIVERS EXEMPT FROM THE EC RULES?

Drivers are exempt from the EC drivers’ hours rules and from the tachograph rules (see following questions) when engaged in the following transport operations anywhere in the European Community. For the drivers’ hours and record-keeping requirements for these operations turn to part C.

  • Vehicles used for the carriage of goods where the maximum permissible weight of the vehicle, including any trailer or semi-trailer, does not exceed 3.5 tonnes.
  • Vehicles with a maximum authorised speed not exceeding 30 kilometres per hour.
  • Vehicles used by or under the control of the armed services, civil defence, fire services, and forces responsible for maintaining public order.
  • Vehicles used in connection with the sewerage, flood protection, water, gas and electricity services, highway maintenance and control, refuse collection and disposal, telegraph and telephone services, carriage of postal articles, radio and television broadcasting and the detection of radio or television transmitters or receivers.
  • Vehicles used in emergencies or rescue operations.
  • Specialised vehicles used for medical purposes.
  • Vehicles transporting circus and fun-fair equipment.
  • Specialised breakdown vehicles.
  • Vehicles undergoing road tests for technical development, repair or maintenance purposes, and new or rebuilt vehicles which have not yet been put into service.
  • Vehicles used for non-commercial carriage of goods for personal use.
  • Vehicles used for milk collection from farms and the return to farms of milk containers or milk products intended for animal feed.

Drivers are also exempt from the EC drivers’ hours and tachograph rules when engaged in the following transport operations in the UK. For the drivers’ hours and record-keeping requirements for these operations turn to Part C,

  • Vehicles used by agricultural, horticultural, forestry or fishery undertakings for carrying goods within a 50 kilometre radius of the place where the vehicle is normally based, including local administrative areas, the centres of which are situated within that radius. (In the case of fishery undertakings the exemption applies only to the movement of fish from landing to first processing on land and of live fish between fish farms.)
  • Vehicles used for carrying animal waste or carcasses which are not intended for human consumption.
  • Vehicles used for carrying live animals from farms to local markets and vice versa or from markets to local slaughterhouses.
  • Vehicles used as shops at local markets or for door-to-door selling or used for mobile banking, exchange or saving transactions, for worship, for the lending of books, records or cassettes, for cultural events or exhibitions, and specially fitted for such uses.
  • Vehicles with a maximum permissible weight of not more than 7.5 tonncs carrying material or equipment for the driver’s use in the course of his work within a 50 kilometre radius of the place where the vehicle is normally based, provided that driving the vehicle does not constitute the driver’s main activity.
  • Vehicles operating exclusively on islands not exceeding 2,300 square kilometres in area, which are not linked to the rest of Great Britain by a bridge, ford or tunnel open for use by motor vehicles.
  • Vehicles with a gross vehicle weight (including batteries) of not more than 7.5 tonnes used for the carriage of goods and propelled by means of gas or electricity.
  • Vehicles used for driving instruction with a view to obtaining a driving licence, but excluding instruction on a journey connected with carrying a commercial load.
  • Vehicles operated by The Royal National Lifeboat Institution.
  • Vehicles manufactured before 1 January 1947 .
  • Vehicles propelled by steam.
  • Vehicles used by health authorities and NHS Trusts as ambulances or to carry staff, patients, medical supplies or equipment.
  • Vehicles used by Local Authority social service departments to provide services for the elderly or physically or mentally handicapped.
  • Vehicles used by HM coastguard and lighthouse services.
  • Vehicles used by harbour or airport authorities if the vehicles remain wholly within the confines of ports or airports.
  • Vehicles used by British Rail or any holder of a network licence which is a company wholly owned by the Crown under the Railways Act 1993, and other transport authorities when engaged in maintaining railways.
  • Vehicles used by British Waterways Board when engaged in maintaining navigable waterways.
  • Tractors used exclusively for agricultural and forestry work.

Just make sure that this job fits in with these rules

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thanks biker but im thinking more of a differant shift pattern,thers no need for 3 drivers on a monday as were not machanics, i think im beeing coned out of rest days and im payed the same wage each week■■?

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  • Vehicles used for milk collection from farms and the return to farms of milk containers or milk products intended for animal feed.

that covers it

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weemack:
thanks biker but im thinking more of a differant shift pattern,thers no need for 3 drivers on a monday as were not machanics, i think im beeing coned out of rest days and im payed the same wage each week■■?

he’s milkin it mate , and yous are the mugs that are getting milked here.the longer you’s do this the more he will keep doing it to yous.either tell him you’s want you time off which you’s are entitled too, or tell him to stick the job where the sun ain’t going to shine. :angry: and if he say’s there’s plenty of people out there that would take this job then tell him ok then go find them.put the ball in his court,because if he ain’t got the manpower then he ain’t getting paid.and that will hurt him in the pocket. :sunglasses:

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WEEK 1
Mon Work
Tues Work
Wed Work
Thurs Off
Fri Off
Sat Work
Sun Work

WEEK 2
Mon Work
Tues Off
Wed Off
Thurs Work
Fri Work
Sat Work
Sun Work

WEEK 3
Mon Work
Tues Work
Wed Work
Thurs Work
Fri Work
Sat Off
Sun Off

21 Days
Working 5 days a week.
Resting 2 days a week.
If the 6 shifts rule doesn’t apply the only thing I would query is the hourly rate for Sat and Sun… I hope you’re getting a good lump for all those weekends :confused: 35 a year :open_mouth: :open_mouth:

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thanks for your help, i still feel I’m being conned, there must be a easier way, things must be different in the highlands, so till the next time, be safe, be cool , and keep kicking,thanks wee mack

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260ppw

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Wincanton and I think Ryders, got hammered a few years back for breaking regulations, while operating milk contracts.

I believe as already stated, that milk collections from farms are covered, by domestic regulations, rather than EU regulations(tacho etc). Wincantons got done because they used bits from both which can’t be done. It’s one or the other.

As for being conned, well most of us feel like that. The information your not told at the interview ,are usually the bits you don’t like and there’s nearly always something :exclamation: :exclamation: :exclamation: