Optimum:
The Government pays for services like the NHS, Police and defence from tax revenues. Leisure canal boating is an optional, recreational activity. Diesel engines are bad for the environment. Convergence with European environmental and fiscal policies makes life easier and benefits us all.
Diesel is dirty.Fine.So you’ll obviously have no problem with bringing European commercial boat and rail diesel use into line with private boat use and commercial and private road transport use.While removing all taxation on LPG fuelled engines.
Bearing in mind that this stupid illegal rule is easily circumvented by electric propulsion conversion and using red diesel to charge the batteries or just don’t bother with a boat at all.How does that pay for the NHS etc.As opposed to charging a decent rate of income tax on high earners and employing more people in a thriving transport and pleasure boat industry.
albion:
Franglais, now I’m retired I’m supplementing my income by renting out pieces of wall for you to bang your head on.
Its turning out to be quite lucrative with people who engage with Carryfast…
I haven’t said anything which Harry hasn’t also said regarding this illegal tax and I also explained how you can still use red diesel as a propulsion fuel for river/canal pleasure boats by way of conversion to electric and using portable diesel generator charging.What’s not to like.
They are not all just pleasure boaters.A lot of people live on British water ways and in sea marinas etc,iirc 35k people hold crt licences and all pay the rip off taxes one way or another along those waterways.
It is hardly going to affect any of the services mentioned
If we do actually leave the EU in a couple of months, HMRC will kick the whole business into the long grass.
That will leave narrowboaters with the rules unchanged, but may well have implications for anyone wanting to pop over to Calais for a day’s shopping - they could get pounced on by DGFiP and get their tanks dipped.
Beetlejuice:
They are not all just pleasure boaters.A lot of people live on British water ways and in sea marinas etc,iirc 35k people hold crt licences and all pay the rip off taxes one way or another along those waterways.
It is hardly going to affect any of the services mentioned
“Won’t make much difference” can be argued for any group. But if applied equally to all small groups DOES make a difference.
Santa:
If we do actually leave the EU in a couple of months, HMRC will kick the whole business into the long grass.
That will leave narrowboaters with the rules unchanged, but may well have implications for anyone wanting to pop over to Calais for a day’s shopping - they could get pounced on by DGFiP and get their tanks dipped.
If/when we leave the EU we are still signed up to Paris. The Gov still has CO2 and other polllution targets to meet. If they don’t tax it today it’ll be tomorrow.
Santa:
If we do actually leave the EU in a couple of months, HMRC will kick the whole business into the long grass.
That will leave narrowboaters with the rules unchanged, but may well have implications for anyone wanting to pop over to Calais for a day’s shopping - they could get pounced on by DGFiP and get their tanks dipped.
Santa:
If we do actually leave the EU in a couple of months, HMRC will kick the whole business into the long grass.
That will leave narrowboaters with the rules unchanged, but may well have implications for anyone wanting to pop over to Calais for a day’s shopping - they could get pounced on by DGFiP and get their tanks dipped.
Brexit secretary Stephen Barclay is expected to sign an order in the next few days which will repeal the European Communities Act 1972 after October 31 in a move which would trigger the end of European law’s supremacy in Britain.
Franglais:
And your use of the word DERV smells of red-herrings to me.
Feel free to explain exactly why.Which part of ‘road fuel duty and VAT’ don’t you understand.A bit like the failure to understand the definition of ‘domestic’ when applied to hours regs.
See the little winking smiley?
RED herring…
But all they need to do is re-name DERV as, maybe, TAF? TAxed Fuel. Job done at stroke of a… keyboard.
Edit. Yes even red is already taxed so maybe, TAFF? for TAxes Fuel (Fully)
Typical Euro idea on the law.You’re effectively saying that you’ve been thieving money from people on a false premise so let’s just now change the title of the tax which supposedly makes it all legal in retrospect.
The fact is white diesel doesn’t denote ‘taxed fuel’ it denotes fuel subject to ROAD fuel duty and VAT and that’s what people are being charged for and you know it.While if you want to change the law in that regard then it needs to be done by parliament according to government manifesto so we all get to vote on it.Bearing in mind that you’ve previously said that the EU isn’t a Federal state and that the Brit government makes the rules which apply here.In which case,until/unless the taxation regime and fuel taxation titling is changed by elected government it’s DERV or its red and boats therefore by definition use red.
On that note commercial boats can use red but private boats have to use white but it’s ok to hit both commercial and private road transport with the same discriminatory fuel taxation.The EU tossers couldn’t make it up.
Having said that as I said going electric and legally using red diesel to charge the batteries with a stand alone generator and LPG fuelled spark ignition engines for larger faster boats is the best solution to put two fingers up to your Euro bs.
Santa:
If we do actually leave the EU in a couple of months, HMRC will kick the whole business into the long grass.
That will leave narrowboaters with the rules unchanged, but may well have implications for anyone wanting to pop over to Calais for a day’s shopping - they could get pounced on by DGFiP and get their tanks dipped.
Brexit secretary Stephen Barclay is expected to sign an order in the next few days which will repeal the European Communities Act 1972 after October 31 in a move which would trigger the end of European law’s supremacy in Britain.
Which is fine.
But if someone nipped over to Calais as suggested in the post you quoted they’d still have to abide by European Law because they’d be in Europe.
Oh noes, the sky is falling. You know not that long ago people used sails and the power of wind to get to places like America and Australia. You’ll be fine in your little canals.
Franglais:
That will leave narrowboaters with the rules unchanged, but may well have implications for anyone wanting to pop over to Calais for a day’s shopping - they could get pounced on by DGFiP and get their tanks dipped.
If/when we leave the EU we are still signed up to Paris. The Gov still has CO2 and other polllution targets to meet. If they don’t tax it today it’ll be tomorrow.
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The great Sagan CO2 myth could be blown out any time.While if they’re really that worried about CO2 they’d obviously be going for an outright ban on fossil fuel use including aircraft and rail use.Not seeing how much of the taxation burden they can shift onto retired pleasure boaters who’ve already paid more than enough tax on their earnings and smashing that industry in the process…
As for the ‘rules’ they are unchanged in that road fuel taxation is being illegally applied to non road use.
As for the raid on cross channel supermarket shoppers that sounds bleedin bizarre to me.Are you suggesting that Brit river/canal pleasure boaters regularly take their vessels out to sea risking their lives in the hope of saving a couple of bob on a supermarket shopping bill. More hysterical Europhile bs.
malcolmgbell:
Brexit secretary Stephen Barclay is expected to sign an order in the next few days which will repeal the European Communities Act 1972 after October 31 in a move which would trigger the end of European law’s supremacy in Britain.
If the Cons could be trusted they could obviously get us out here and now by withdrawing the government’s defence to the Tilbrook case.We supposedly left in March why wait until October 31.Bearing in mind we can’t make or sign any trade deals anywhere in the world while we are a member of the EU.
ETS:
Oh noes, the sky is falling. You know not that long ago people used sails and the power of wind to get to places like America and Australia. You’ll be fine in your little canals.
Trickydick:
LPG powered boats, thats going to end well
Do you own or use a boat?
No worse than petrol and MTB’s and rescue launches loaded to within an inch of their lives with the stuff to run multiple aero engines weren’t exactly blowing themselves out of the water.Nor any less safe than Diesel fuelled E Boats in that regard.
ETS:
Oh noes, the sky is falling. You know not that long ago people used sails and the power of wind to get to places like America and Australia. You’ll be fine in your little canals.
Picture the scene Napoleon or was it the King of Spain says that he is going to tax the wind used for all sailing ships and the Brits will also have to obey his orders and send all tax revenues raised back to France or Spain whichever.That ended well.
Trickydick:
LPG powered boats, thats going to end well
Do you own or use a boat?
No worse than petrol and MTB’s and rescue launches loaded to within an inch of their lives with the stuff to run multiple aero engines weren’t exactly blowing themselves out of the water.Nor any less safe than Diesel fuelled E Boats in that regard.
The only fuel generally available canalside is diesel. On rivers it is sometimes possible to buy petrol, I don’t know anywhere on the waterways which sells LPG. I’d say 99.9% of narrowboats have diesel engines.
