msgyorkie:
GasGas:
My apologies…goes to show you shouldn’t believe everything the French customs man at Kings Cross says!Ok I call your bluff! There is no French customs man at Kings Cross. The french immigration is at St Pancras for the Eurostar.
Edit Just saw Muckles post saying what I said lolol
To be fair to Gas Gas, Kings Cross and St Pancras are next door to each other, so can feel like one station if you get off at Kings Cross to get the Eurostar at St Pancras.
muckles:
msgyorkie:
GasGas:
My apologies…goes to show you shouldn’t believe everything the French customs man at Kings Cross says!Ok I call your bluff! There is no French customs man at Kings Cross. The french immigration is at St Pancras for the Eurostar.
Edit Just saw Muckles post saying what I said lololTo be fair to Gas Gas, Kings Cross and St Pancras are next door to each other, so can feel like one station if you get off at Kings Cross to get the Eurostar at St Pancras.
I’d also give it the benefit of the doubt.As it stands the EU muppets have issued numerous other threats varying from banning Brit trucks from EU roads and Brit planes from EU skies to imposition of trade sanctions on Brit exports.All based on the delusional idea that we can’t/won’t retaliate especially against German imports ( given a government with the bottle and patriotism to do it ).In this case France can obviously kick out UK border staff from Calais and then wave through the ‘asylum seekers’ that the EU has invited into Europe.All based on the same one sided delusion that we can’t/won’t kick out French border staff from the UK and then wave the ‘asylum seekers’ back again to where they came in from. In this case France.Again given a government with the balls and the patriotism to do it.Obviously not May’s administration.
GasGas:
Carryfast:
bald:
Immigrants have to ask for immigration, once they are in the EU, but none of them in Calais, Dunkerque, Zeebrugge are interested in asking for asylum in the EU, they only want to get into the UK.
Migrants in a Brussels park were offered shelter during the winter if they asked for asylum, but they declined and only wanted to go to the UK.
Why ?For the same reason that the Navy is helping to bring in people like Salman Albedi and Europe has signed up to the Marrakesh declaration.It’s all part of a Kalergi type plan in which the UK is seen as being the most likely to resist it and therefore most important country to bring down and to fall first to make it work.
As for asylum most North African countries and the Gulf Sates are considered as being safe enough for western travellers to go to so why do ‘asylum seekers’ from Asia/Middle East and Africa have to travel to let alone across Europe for their so called ‘safety’.
Economic migration. UK welfare is still generous and you don’t need an ID card…so it is even more generous if you are 2 or 3 people and can make 2 or 3 claims.
Other counties complain as well that their welfare is generous and foreigners are getting better treatment then home folks
so the question stays: Why the UK and not the EU ?
muckles:
msgyorkie:
GasGas:
My apologies…goes to show you shouldn’t believe everything the French customs man at Kings Cross says!Ok I call your bluff! There is no French customs man at Kings Cross. The french immigration is at St Pancras for the Eurostar.
Edit Just saw Muckles post saying what I said lololTo be fair to Gas Gas, Kings Cross and St Pancras are next door to each other, so can feel like one station if you get off at Kings Cross to get the Eurostar at St Pancras.
Nah mate. Although next door to each other they are quite distinct. You would know you was in St Pancras and not King’s Cross. I call bullshine!
Biggest problem is Eu open door project once your in the EU then you can go anywhere.
Open borders are great for convenience and for movement of goods and services but would a quick passport check when entering another EU country be a bad thing?
I’m a remainer but the EU is a flawed project. E.g. Germany invites boat loads of asylum seekers to its country but once they are in Germany they can go anywhere in the EU and what might be fine with the Germans may not be great for the French.
Tbh I don’t see calais ever being sorted as neither the French nor English are the ones causing the influx.
Edit this is just my 2c as I know very little about the subject matter.
adam277:
I’m a remainer but the EU is a flawed project. E.g. Germany invites boat loads of asylum seekers to its country but once they are in Germany they can go anywhere in the EU and what might be fine with the Germans may not be great for the French.Tbh I don’t see calais ever being sorted as neither the French nor English are the ones causing the influx.
How can you possibly support being a part of something which you admit to being ‘a flawed project’.
As for the French.Make no mistake,like May’s lot,too many of those lying zb’s are part of the problem in Europe in wanting to invite Africa to Europe not the solution.Common ground yeah right the zb waste of space means let em all in and anyone who says no,like the AfD and Hungary,is supposedly a ■■■■.As for the Italians they’ve supposedly voted in an anti immigration leadership.Yeah right. 
Well without trying sound like Mystic Meg and pretending I could predict the future.
The major parties were ones trying to get everyone to stay in the EU only UKIP and a few tory rebels were pushing the leave option.
There was no plan to leave which is why Cameron jumped boat.
I’m all for leaving but I want a viable alternative. Whats going on right now is just a circus with May just repeating strong and stable every chance she gets.
The Tory party is a joke and so is Labour and we have no viable alternative.
Even is Corbyn goes there is no one to replace him… Tom Watson is even worse.
As for Thersa May she seems set on staying no matter what. If Boris was PM then maybe we would of got somewhere with Brexit right or wrong but they are trying to make him out to be a racist so I don’t see that happening now.
IDK country is going to ■■■■■■ We was probably just better off staying in the EU until we had a government who could actually run the country so we didn’t need Brussels.
Edit:
Also I think this Jeremy Corbyn anti semite stuff is a joke.
Anyone who has any sympathy with Palestine and their cause is an anti-semite. Heck anyone who disagrees with Israel is a anti semite.
bald:
I have a question concerning those people in Calais and others trying to get in to the UK.Immigrants have to ask for immigration, once they are in the EU, but none of them in Calais, Dunkerque, Zeebrugge are interested in asking for asylum in the EU, they only want to get into the UK.
Migrants in a Brussels park were offered shelter during the winter if they asked for asylum, but they declined and only wanted to go to the UK.
Why ?
^^^^^^^^^^^^
4 reasons.
1…giro.
2 …social security payments
3…the big money is made by people traffickers shipping them over here who have told the imbeciles that the uk is the land of milk and honey…
4… because nowadays most of their relatives are already here!!!ireland has a benefit system second to none and puts the uk to shame for what they pay out,but fortunately sofar the tide of sponging vermin is at a low ebb compared to the uk.
single man uk is i think £72 quid.
single man eire is 185 euro approx per week which s more than double with no big difference in living expenses
We’ve more chance of platting fog the french and the rest of europe do very bare minimum
for them knowing they will come here.
Just because they have paperwork for these people dont mean they are in there country.they give them the the bare minimum or no help knowing they will move on. and our drivers are put at risk of this turning a blind eye to a problem that raises it ugly head every august (peak tourism)at calais.
This has been goin on 20+ years and all you see from the french is woefull with the full backing of the eu . We have paid for most or all of the security in the port But it is a smokescreen To the issues of a problem that puts our drivers and companies still doing the job at a big risk of Life,liberty,livelyhood,bankrupcy,ect how godforbid none of our drivers have not lost life or ended up in jail is a miricle in itself and hope it dosent happen befor the eu applies duty of care and deals with it as a collective…
adam277:
Well without trying sound like Mystic Meg and pretending I could predict the future.The major parties were ones trying to get everyone to stay in the EU only UKIP and a few tory (and Labour) rebels were pushing the leave option.
There was no plan to leave which is why Cameron jumped boat.
I’m all for leaving but I want a viable alternative. Whats going on right now is just a circus with May just repeating strong and stable every chance she gets.The Tory party is a joke and so is Labour and we have no viable alternative.
Even is Corbyn goes there is no one to replace him… Tom Watson is even worse.
As for Thersa May she seems set on staying no matter what. If Boris was PM then maybe we would of got somewhere with Brexit right or wrong but they are trying to make him out to be a racist so I don’t see that happening now.IDK country is going to [zb]. We was probably just better off staying in the EU until we had a government who could actually run the country so we didn’t need Brussels.
Edit:
Also I think this Jeremy Corbyn anti semite stuff is a joke.
Anyone who has any sympathy with Palestine and their cause is an anti-semite. Heck anyone who disagrees with Israel is a anti semite.
Fixed that for you, both the Conservative party and Labour have had their critics over EU membership for decades, although probably for different reasons, in fact leaving the EEC was part of the Labour party manifesto during the 1980’s.
adam277:
Well without trying sound like Mystic Meg and pretending I could predict the future.The major parties were ones trying to get everyone to stay in the EU only UKIP and a few tory rebels were pushing the leave option.
There was no plan to leave which is why Cameron jumped boat.
I’m all for leaving but I want a viable alternative. Whats going on right now is just a circus with May just repeating strong and stable every chance she gets.The Tory party is a joke and so is Labour and we have no viable alternative.
Even is Corbyn goes there is no one to replace him… Tom Watson is even worse.
As for Thersa May she seems set on staying no matter what. If Boris was PM then maybe we would of got somewhere with Brexit right or wrong but they are trying to make him out to be a racist so I don’t see that happening now.IDK country is going to [zb]. We was probably just better off staying in the EU until we had a government who could actually run the country so we didn’t need Brussels.
Edit:
Also I think this Jeremy Corbyn anti semite stuff is a joke.
Anyone who has any sympathy with Palestine and their cause is an anti-semite. Heck anyone who disagrees with Israel is a anti semite.
Let’s get this right.You are supposedly ‘all for leaving’.You also know that remainer May along with her majority remain Party would predictably sabotage Brexit helped by her cross party remain alliance.
But you also don’t think that UKIP is a viable alternative and you’d actually rather remain within the EU.Which together with the French government is the reason for the problem of Europe’s open door Kalergi plan type immigration policy and also why we don’t have the power to stop it even if we had a decent anti immigration Party in government.So exactly what do you want ?. 
As for Corbyn he’s just a Soviet Socialist who along with his Momentum rabble have infiltrated/hijacked the Labour Party because they know that no one with any sense will vote for the SLP.On that note I’d guess that your supposed ‘all for leaving’ is about as believable as Corbyn’s which is why Corbyn put Starmer in as shadow Brexit minister not Hoey.As for Socialism being anti semitic and pro Arab that goes with the territory which is why the Soviet Union and their East German Stasi cronies like Merkel,tried to help the Arabs to destroy Israel in 1967 and '73.
muckles:
in fact leaving the EEC was part of the Labour party manifesto during the 1980’s.
Just as it was in 1975.But that obviously didn’t stop pro EU Jenkins and Callaghan winning out and joining Thatcher in campaigning for a yes to the EEC vote.The rest is history.Just like the question as to why did Corbyn obviously prefer Europhile Starmer over Hoey as shadow Brexit minister.
GasGas:
It will all be sorted out by Brexit.Because, post-Brexit, the French will be able to send UK border control back to the English shore, so the illegals can hop onto vehicles knowing they will be taken to Dover where they will be entitled to claim asylum in Britain. I’m sure the French will be delighted.
This is what Boris, Nigel, Jacob and all the other geniuses meant when they said we would ‘take back control of our borders’.
How will they be “entitled to asylym” once in Britain?
bit of a a chicken and egg situation there…
Brexit will likely not happen in full until we have UKIP involved in government.
That in mind, - the borders are likely to be jumped upon first thing by that incoming government.
During this transition period we are currently over two years into (during which time - what excactly has been done on the ground exactly?) we need to set up the new infrastructure to control our borders - IF May is to be believed about Brexit.
I don’t think she IS to be believed though, sadly.
Build large new business parks near to ports in the UK.
Incoming foreign wagons go into these places, escorted there from the port of entry by customs officials newly deployed to perform this task. If Fuel Tankers always get ■■■■■■ to go through the busy Dartford Tunnel, then why can’t we have a whole lot more ■■■■■■ vehicles going with incoming trucks to the new Customs Depots that May doesn’t seem to be even starting to build at this point?
There’s plenty of depots being built in the MIDLANDS I notice - but what good are they there if Foreign Trucks still have to drive from our ports to get to them, not paying full UK road duties, and taking their stowaways deep inland before being caught? - Much HARDER to deport them from there eh?
Meanwhile, in Italy, with it’s new Anti-EU government that says it will try and stay in the EU…
They’ve asked for funding - to police the mediterranean border themselves…
Are they getting that funding?
I don’t think so. If they were, then there would be high publicity over it, so that other med nations like Greece and Spain would leap to grab a slice of that funding pie - by offering to put up it’s new “Border policing force” in their own countries respectively…
Thus, Italy has to “go it alone”, and within budget. OK, what say Italy decides to start machine gunning the blighters in the water? - Who’s going to stop THAT then?
If the EU don’t want any skin in the game with regards to defending what amounts to the wider EU border (i.e. the mediterreanean) - then are they just hoping that these increasing number of nations will suddenly go “Oh well, never mind. I don’t care about more cuts everlasting, and a higher chance day by day of being murdered by a letterbox-bourne bank robber”?
Criminals
Fake Refugees
Nearly All Males
No Qualifications (If you’ve got no papers, you’ve got no qualifications either - right?)
Can’t speak good enough English to prevent nasty ■■■■-ups happening, should they get a job on public transport or the NHS…
None of the above are EU citizens, so the EU themselves are in contempt. They should be preventing them from even entering the continent - NOT fanning them through to Calais in the FIRST place.
It is about time we started treating the above “Trojans” as the “Unlawful Enemy Combatants” they are, and cracking down severly on those that would assist them as well.
Carryfast:
But you also don’t think that UKIP is a viable alternative and you’d actually rather remain within the EU.Which together with the French government is the reason for the problem of Europe’s open door Kalergi plan type immigration policy and also why we don’t have the power to stop it even if we had a decent anti immigration Party in government.So exactly what do you want ?.
Honestly no idea.
UKIP is not a viable alternative and will never will win a election. At best it would be a protest vote like before.
Yep I think I would rather remain with the EU then leave under terms set out by Mrs May.
There was talk of another election when May lost her majority but that has yet to materialise… She lost her chief negotiator and foreign sec and still shows no sign of leaving.
The Tory party is in a sorry state and is not fit to do the job and I have no idea of who could do a better job.
Maybe Boris in terms of a Brexit vision could do a better job but I don’t see it happening. Another alternative is Jacob-R-Mog but I think that just as unlikely as the powers that be in tory HQ would just sabotage it.
Its a difficult situation. I’ve only voted Lab/Libdems in the past and have more in common with Jeremy Corbyn then the tories but I want someone in power who can deliver a strong brexit and that is 100% not Mrs May or Corbyn.
She is just a joke… Makes up principles that she will not budge on and when the EU say they don’t like them she just makes up new ones and then wonders why her own party mocks her.
“Those are my principles, and if you don’t like them…well I have others.”
So simplify my views as of right now. I want to stay in the EU until we have a government capable of leading the country.
^^^^ That is exactly what the EU want all Brexiteers to think right now, of course…
“Oh well never mind…”
“We asked nicely if we could leave, got told ‘no’, and now we don’t have any electable let alone strong leadership parties to even vote for, let alone capable of winning the next election with a thumping majority.”
A “Strong” government would put Bombing Conspirators in jail, instead of people like Tommy Robinson. They would act against up-and-coming bombers before they act, rather than collecting them in a plastic bag after they’ve taken out several innocent members of the public… FFS You’ve got more chance of being deported as an empty plastic bag, come to think of it!
A “Strong” government would be locking people up for being involved in people trafficing. Prosectute all the time. We don’t need “New” laws, - just a rigid enforement of current ones, - and to hell with the poltiical correctness angle of “looking the other way, if the criminals are all ethnics…”
Only a few token cases are being prosecuted at present though.
Public tip-offs to the police - do not get actioned upon nearly enough… Once again, I blame ongoing political correctness for this.
adam277:
Carryfast:
But you also don’t think that UKIP is a viable alternative and you’d actually rather remain within the EU.Which together with the French government is the reason for the problem of Europe’s open door Kalergi plan type immigration policy and also why we don’t have the power to stop it even if we had a decent anti immigration Party in government.So exactly what do you want ?.Honestly no idea.
UKIP is not a viable alternative and will never will win a election. At best it would be a protest vote like before.Yep I think I would rather remain with the EU then leave under terms set out by Mrs May.
There was talk of another election when May lost her majority but that has yet to materialise… She lost her chief negotiator and foreign sec and still shows no sign of leaving.
The Tory party is in a sorry state and is not fit to do the job and I have no idea of who could do a better job.
Maybe Boris in terms of a Brexit vision could do a better job but I don’t see it happening. Another alternative is Jacob-R-Mog but I think that just as unlikely as the powers that be in tory HQ would just sabotage it.Its a difficult situation. I’ve only voted Lab/Libdems in the past and have more in common with Jeremy Corbyn then the tories but I want someone in power who can deliver a strong brexit and that is 100% not Mrs May or Corbyn.
She is just a joke… Makes up principles that she will not budge on and when the EU say they don’t like them she just makes up new ones and then wonders why her own party mocks her.“Those are my principles, and if you don’t like them…well I have others.”
- Groucho Marx
So simplify my views as of right now. I want to stay in the EU until we have a government capable of leading the country.
You want to stay in the EU until we have a government capable of leading the country.But no government can possibly ‘lead the country’ at all until we’ve first got the sovereignty back from the EU for them to do be able to do it.Then you say that you want a government which can deliver a strong Brexit but you don’t think that is UKIP.So I’ll ask again if UKIP isn’t the right Party for the job then who do you think is ?.Oh wait you say that you’ve only been a LibDem and Labour voter and you think that Corbyn is better than May ( and Batten ? ).On that note how can UKIP possibly only be a so called protest vote in your view when your historic choice of parties are clearly pro EU.In the case of Labour since Callaghan took the leadership followed by Blair and the LibDems from their inception and UKIP being the only real anti EU Party.
I think it’s clear enough exactly where you stand and it certainly ain’t for Brexit.More like the same old closet remainer bs,using the excuse of the sabotage which remainer May has created,to call for the overturning of the referendum vote.IE oh look May is predictably wrecking the process it’s so much better now if we remain,than for UKIP to sort it out and give us what we voted for.The catch 22 regarding the question,how can any government supposedly lead us,when the EU ultimately controls everything,including our immigration policy as in this case,unless and until we Leave it first,being the clue.
Winseer:
^^^^ That is exactly what the EU want all Brexiteers to think right now, of course…“Oh well never mind…”
“We asked nicely if we could leave, got told ‘no’, and now we don’t have any electable let alone strong leadership parties to even vote for, let alone capable of winning the next election with a thumping majority.”
I think the clue is any real Brexiteer would have stopped voting for Labour let alone the LibDems or for that matter the Cons at least in the previous two or three general elections. 
As for only voting like sheep for whoever looks like getting the most votes isn’t that why we’re in this situation.Of letting people like Macron and Merkel decide our immigration policy and the forces allowing,let alone helping to bring,people like Salman Abedi into the country among others and our social security system chucking cash at them when they are here and the uk ‘government’ telling them to call for more of their mates to join them and they’ll be made welcome too.
I don’t want the referendum overturned for better or worse we are coming out.
I personally think we should stay until we get our crap together but that is not an option.
I also don’t want another referendum.
Your accusing me of sabotage when all I really want is the people that believe in brexit and campaigned for it to be in charge of brexit.
It’s in everyone’s interest that this goes well…
I haven’t followed anything UKIP since the Henry Bolton crap was in the papers daily. Maybe Batton will change things I don’t know much about him tbh. I stopped having any interest in UKIP when Bolton was refusing to leave and the party was considering splitting.
I’m only 26 but I voted Lib dems for no tution fees.
I voted labour for I believe was something similar I was still in college at the time.
most recent election I didn’t vote.
Corbyn is 10x better then May. Granted he takes a lot of crap for it and I don’t agree with everything he says but at-least you know what he believes, he is a EU sceptic and has never denied it problem is labour doesn’t want him to be.
Carryfast what is it you want? UKIP to form a majority and take the country out of EU? I really don’t see that happening unless it goes to crap.
adam277:
I don’t want the referendum overturned for better or worse we are coming out.
I personally think we should stay until we get our crap together but that is not an option.
I also don’t want another referendum.Your accusing me of sabotage when all I really want is the people that believe in brexit and campaigned for it to be in charge of brexit.
It’s in everyone’s interest that this goes well…I haven’t followed anything UKIP since the Henry Bolton crap was in the papers daily. Maybe Batton will change things I don’t know much about him tbh. I stopped having any interest in UKIP when Bolton was refusing to leave and the party was considering splitting.
I’m only 26 but I voted Lib dems for no tution fees.
I voted labour for I believe was something similar I was still in college at the time.
most recent election I didn’t vote.
Corbyn is 10x better then May. Granted he takes a lot of crap for it and I don’t agree with everything he says but at-least you know what he believes, he is a EU sceptic and has never denied it problem is labour doesn’t want him to be.Carryfast what is it you want? UKIP to form a majority and take the country out of EU? I really don’t see that happening unless it goes to crap.
I’d guess that many of those who died fighting in Europe for the freedom of its nation states to stay free nation states,with the right to govern themselves, rather than be ruled by Berlin,would have preferred to stay at home and get whatever handouts they could to go to college for the privilege,instead.
As for Corbyn if he was an EU sceptic he wouldn’t be calling for us to stay in the so called single market and all that implies and he would have automatically put Hoey in the job of shadow Brexit minister not Starmer.
As for UKIP if we keep telling ourselves they’ll never get a majority so don’t vote for them then it will obviously be a self fulfilling prophecy.While as shown in the case of the present Con minority government it is possible that a minority government can’t function without the support of another Party ( DUP ) in the case of May for example.
On that note I’d consider a majority UKIP government as a massive bonus while if we don’t get enough let alone no UKIP MP’s the country’s fate will be sealed and you’ll get your wish of remain in whatever form.In which case expect to see Macron and Merkel get what they want in flooding Europe,especially UK,with third world immigrants and many more Salman Abedis as part of that.
