lancpudn:
Motorhomes & motorised horse boxes are included in the Manchester CAZ and I know of two people that have these vehicles within the CAZ boundary I bet they know nowt about the daily charges they will incur moving these vehicles when the CAZ starts next May. Doesnāt say much for the future used market in these vehicles as most of them I see around here are older vehicles.
A lot will depend on the legal definition of a āmotorhomeā. Is the current āmotor caravanā category, or the amateur-converted campervan still registered as Private Light Goods included?
Yeah good point, Itās a bit of a grey area. I came across a youtube video by chance & this guy had done a camper conversion on a Toyota Proace diesel and as he lived within the London ULEZ he said heāll have to get rid of it as he used it every weekend.
A mate of mine lives in Dukinfield, and has just spent most of lockdown (and a fair few quid) converting his VW Crafter to a camper. Heās a bit worried, since itās his daily driver and heās in central Manchester several times a week with it.
Your m8 be in it at Dukinfield never mind going in to Manchester.
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Your m8 be in it at Dukinfield never mind going in to Manchester.
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Yeah the Manchester CAZ will also include the A628 Woodhead pass & the A57 to stop traffic that doesnāt comply with the emission standards from going over the tops.
Your m8 be in it at Dukinfield never mind going in to Manchester.
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Yeah the Manchester CAZ will also include the A628 Woodhead pass & the A57 to stop traffic that doesnāt comply with the emission standards from going over the tops.
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Thatās me stuffed then, 25-year old Dodge dayvan, 5.2 litre V8. Although itās LPG-converted, and very clean running, I still have to pay Ā£270 a year for the privilege of winding up the eco-warriors.
lancpudn:
Listening to BBC radio Manchester this morning thereās a facebook petition of over 30,000 against the CAZ charge for HGVās which starts this May.
Been looking on Facebook at the groups against it ,I can see something happening about it yet ,not sure he will get elected again now that joe bloggs has realised it effects his family direction in the pocket irregardless of breathing clean air ,I hope thereās a turning point being put in at Hazel Grove or Disley for the days I forget
lancpudn:
Listening to BBC radio Manchester this morning thereās a facebook petition of over 30,000 against the CAZ charge for HGVās which starts this May.
Been looking on Facebook at the groups against it ,I can see something happening about it yet ,not sure he will get elected again now that joe bloggs has realised it effects his family direction in the pocket irregardless of breathing clean air ,I hope thereās a turning point being put in at Hazel Grove or Disley for the days I forget
lancpudn:
Listening to BBC radio Manchester this morning thereās a facebook petition of over 30,000 against the CAZ charge for HGVās which starts this May.
Been looking on Facebook at the groups against it ,I can see something happening about it yet ,not sure he will get elected again now that joe bloggs has realised it effects his family direction in the pocket irregardless of breathing clean air ,I hope thereās a turning point being put in at Hazel Grove or Disley for the days I forget
bigstraight6:
Yes, criticism will soon change to a reaction, and a big change in misguided idealism.
Especially if a European nuclear power station decides to go rogue in a big way.It would only take 1 out of how many possible let alone when theyāve doubled or trebled capacity.
The backlash against this scam would be epic and quick with numerous anti fossil fuel politicians hounded out of office over night if not whole governments brought down.
Leeds CAZ plans have apparently been scrapped because prior to implementation, so many people upgraded their vehicles(I assume with the grants offered?), that emission levels dropped enough to satisfy current legal limits.
Is there a lesson to be learned here? More carrot and less stick perhaps?
Surprise surprise Manchesterās CAZ has been paused because not many can afford to upgrade their vehicles for cleaner vehicles in time because of high prices on the used market. I think every man & his dog could have seen this coming. fleetnews.co.uk/news/enviro ā¦ s-and-cost
lancpudn:
Surprise surprise Manchesterās CAZ has been paused because not many can afford to upgrade their vehicles for cleaner vehicles in time because of high prices on the used market. I think every man & his dog could have seen this coming. fleetnews.co.uk/news/enviro ā¦ s-and-cost
Iām guessing itās no more punitive than the ULEZ and a 10 year old petrol motor is compliant with that.I they canāt afford a 10 year old motor they certainly wonāt be able to afford domestic energy bills when gas is equalised with electric with ācarbonā taxes.
lancpudn:
Surprise surprise Manchesterās CAZ has been paused because not many can afford to upgrade their vehicles for cleaner vehicles in time because of high prices on the used market. I think every man & his dog could have seen this coming. fleetnews.co.uk/news/enviro ā¦ s-and-cost
Itās just the start of the wheels coming off the green utopia agenda, why are used vehicles suddenly so in demand with rising prices? Because the majority of people are not in a financial position to buy into new EVās, let alone the thought of where is all the electricity going come from to power these vehicles IF there is a big uptake in these things outside of London as we already have an energy crisis racking up, you aināt seen nothing yet!
Like making us dependent on anything but green nuclear and biomass at 26p per kWh so they can export our oil and gas.
Itās all about the Ā£Ā£Ā£ so that Al Gore can add to his retirement funds.
The laughable inference being that those car users dont have the choice to take their trade elsewhere and have limitless incomes to pay for this punitive road use extortion.
Since GMTE won their recent court case for bus franchising all adult single journey prices will now be capped at Ā£2 & children Ā£1 no matter how many times you change buses to get to your destination. transport-network.co.uk/2-c ā¦ neys/17645
lancpudn:
Since GMTE won their recent court case for bus franchising all adult single journey prices will now be capped at Ā£2 & children Ā£1 no matter how many times you change buses to get to your destination. transport-network.co.uk/2-c ā¦ neys/17645
TfL are effectively bankrupt even without that type of sweetener.How long will that scheme work before they realise that the running costs of two buses are double those of one.
lancpudn:
Surprise surprise Manchesterās CAZ has been paused because not many can afford to upgrade their vehicles for cleaner vehicles in time because of high prices on the used market. I think every man & his dog could have seen this coming. fleetnews.co.uk/news/enviro ā¦ s-and-cost
Specifically high prices in the used market for petrol cars and worthless diesel trade in values because no one wants diesels ā¦or EVs.
Bearing in mind petrol for us also provides better energy security.
Net zero is toast hopefully.
I bet they know nowt about the daily charges they will incur moving these vehicles when the CAZ starts next May. Doesnāt say much for the future used market in these vehicles as most of them I see around here are older vehicles.
