Carryfast:
So Kent has the only ferry links to Europe in the country.The remainers couldn’t make it up.We’re going back to 1972 deal with it.It was fine.
1972? How many trucks through Dover?
1985 there were 730,000.
2019… … 2,397,000
Tunnel…1,600,000
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That’s the problem.Kent is getting fed up with loads originating from/destined for the North or West of the country using the Kent terminals to cross the Channel.
As opposed to disincentivising the disporoportionate and environmentally damaging unecessary use of Kent for freight journeys which could/should use other more suitable terminals and crossing points closer to the collection or delivery point.
You know like Hull, Harwich, Southampton, Portsmouth, Plymouth, Newhaven just like 1972.
WTF has that got to do with Brexit.
In the real world, where some of us live, companies operate on a JIT basis.
Lorries move faster than ferries, so road is preferable to sea…
Well it looks like the unemployment threatened as a result of Covid and the levels of pollution which disappeared during lockdown worldwide might just bring about a realisation that many things have to change. For one thing, Goods have to be moved around in a more sensible and less polluting manner so Just in Time will have to give way to warehouses with stock and people employed inside them paying taxes.
Twoninety88:
Some of the infrastructure for this system is already in place, and has been for almost a year. For anyone who has been onto North Weald Airfield just off the M11 at J7, there has been one of the first holding areas for many months, manned, lit up like Heathrow airport with 24 hour security, offices, drivers toilets, and pre marked parking area.
It was being put into place just before the then brexit deadline back at the end of 2018, as we used to do a weekly run to Switzerland we were told that in the future our vehicle would have to check in there first before heading into Kent. This was ages ago so none of this is news, it is just that as the real deadline looms ever closer these places, of which there are apparently 6 others around the greater M25 area, will come into force.
That might work for UK purposes, but what about the EU checks…
Franglais:
Anyone calling CarryFast a “little Englander” is clearly selling him short.
I’ve heard of independence for Wales, Scotland, and even Cornwall and the IoW, but an independent Kent? Yes, passports for lorries must be only the start of it.
No that’s the Soviet Socialist Republic of London.
The difference in this case is just use a better route if it’s available.Not cause disproportionate unnecessary aggro in Kent which helps no one.
As opposed to it’s fine to Congest the place so long as you pay the SSRL ‘congestion charge’ to do it.
Darkside:
Lorries move faster than ferries, so road is preferable to sea…
Great so shut down Rotterdam and Antwerp and Bremerhaven and concentrate all of Northen Europe’s port needs in Le Havre and Cherbourg.You know it makes sense.
Also close down all the inland waterway transport system.
Twoninety88:
Some of the infrastructure for this system is already in place, and has been for almost a year. For anyone who has been onto North Weald Airfield just off the M11 at J7, there has been one of the first holding areas for many months, manned, lit up like Heathrow airport with 24 hour security, offices, drivers toilets, and pre marked parking area.
It was being put into place just before the then brexit deadline back at the end of 2018, as we used to do a weekly run to Switzerland we were told that in the future our vehicle would have to check in there first before heading into Kent. This was ages ago so none of this is news, it is just that as the real deadline looms ever closer these places, of which there are apparently 6 others around the greater M25 area, will come into force.
I guess it’ll be just like ‘clearing forward’ for those of us who remember it.
Optimum:
It would be nice to hear, on TNUK, some anonymous expert opinions, other than drivers, on what would be needed to make this proposed system work smoothly. e.g.Police, HMRC, Tunnel employees, IT systems designers etc.
Optimum:
It would be nice to hear, on TNUK, some anonymous expert opinions, other than drivers, on what would be needed to make this proposed system work smoothly. e.g.Police, HMRC, Tunnel employees, IT systems designers etc.
Blimey Harry I hope that’s sarcasm and you haven’t turned into a Remoaner.
The truth is we’ve had operation stacks for ages.Mostly because of the reduction in alternative western Channel and North Sea ferry services resulting in over reliance on the remaining also cut back Kent services.Combined with justified fears of going through a deep hole in the ground under the Channel with only two exit points out of it around 12 miles in either direction at mid point
Darkside:
Hats off to all the Brexit voters who knew exactly what they were voting for, they kept a new border in Kent quiet.
The Goverment have 3 months to build
a 380 mile border in Kent
a mechanism to police it
an internal passport system
a software service
admin and complaints procedure for 2.6 million lorries a year.
It had 6 months to figure out average A level results and look how that worked out…
Are you implying that the Government may not be able to acheive these within the available time?
Optimum:
Are you implying that the Government may not be able to acheive these within the available time?
Optimum:
This maybe a resonable approach to tackle the possibility of excessive number of wagons queueing to access ports. Presumably its introduction will coincide with the new IT system due in November when the “pre Christmas” rush will have subsided. It could be a problem in January if there is a hard winter or if services are restricted.
In my line of work the “pre-Christmas rush” isnt over by mid November, although this year who knows how big any rush will be because of C19? But thats an aside.
Re " the new IT system due in November" theloadstar.com/another-blow-fo … or-brexit/
“News that the government’s much anticipated SMART Freight system is unlikely to be ready by the end of the year, with the beta version only anticipated for launch in mid-December, is a crushing disappointment for the logistics sector,”
"dismay at today’s revelation that the system will not be fully tested and stable until April 2021,”
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When the “worst reasonable case” estimate for 7,000 trucks a day was made, was the system expected to be ready?
Is 7,000 still the worst case?
And should we trust that 7,000 in the first place? Since that figure came from the lips of one Michael Gove… facebook.com/CornwallForEur … 073185040/
Optimum:
Are you implying that the Government may not be able to acheive these within the available time?
Optimum:
This maybe a resonable approach to tackle the possibility of excessive number of wagons queueing to access ports. Presumably its introduction will coincide with the new IT system due in November when the “pre Christmas” rush will have subsided. It could be a problem in January if there is a hard winter or if services are restricted.
In my line of work the “pre-Christmas rush” isnt over by mid November, although this year who knows how big any rush will be because of C19? But thats an aside.
Re " the new IT system due in November" theloadstar.com/another-blow-fo … or-brexit/
“News that the government’s much anticipated SMART Freight system is unlikely to be ready by the end of the year, with the beta version only anticipated for launch in mid-December, is a crushing disappointment for the logistics sector,”
"dismay at today’s revelation that the system will not be fully tested and stable until April 2021,”
.
When the “worst reasonable case” estimate for 7,000 trucks a day was made, was the system expected to be ready?
Is 7,000 still the worst case?
And should we trust that 7,000 in the first place? Since that figure came from the lips of one Michael Gove… facebook.com/CornwallForEur … 073185040/
Of those 7,000 trucks what number are empty? unless the rules have changed there is no need to clear an empty trailer. Last time I asked when checking in at P&O Dover the check in fella said roughly 50% are empty hence why they ask you “Empty or loaded?” not “What is your load?”. So you are correct in your statement “Should we trust the figures” .
Optimum:
Are you implying that the Government may not be able to acheive these within the available time?
Optimum:
This maybe a resonable approach to tackle the possibility of excessive number of wagons queueing to access ports. Presumably its introduction will coincide with the new IT system due in November when the “pre Christmas” rush will have subsided. It could be a problem in January if there is a hard winter or if services are restricted.
In my line of work the “pre-Christmas rush” isnt over by mid November, although this year who knows how big any rush will be because of C19? But thats an aside.
Re " the new IT system due in November" theloadstar.com/another-blow-fo … or-brexit/
“News that the government’s much anticipated SMART Freight system is unlikely to be ready by the end of the year, with the beta version only anticipated for launch in mid-December, is a crushing disappointment for the logistics sector,”
"dismay at today’s revelation that the system will not be fully tested and stable until April 2021,”
.
When the “worst reasonable case” estimate for 7,000 trucks a day was made, was the system expected to be ready?
Is 7,000 still the worst case?
And should we trust that 7,000 in the first place? Since that figure came from the lips of one Michael Gove… facebook.com/CornwallForEur … 073185040/
Of those 7,000 trucks what number are empty? unless the rules have changed there is no need to clear an empty trailer. Last time I asked when checking in at P&O Dover the check in fella said roughly 50% are empty hence why they ask you “Empty or loaded?” not “What is your load?”. So you are correct in your statement “Should we trust the figures” .
Ummm. Am I missing summat?
If those empty trucks don’t need papers, they won’t be delayed. So, none of the 7,000?
Optimum:
Are you implying that the Government may not be able to acheive these within the available time?
Optimum:
This maybe a resonable approach to tackle the possibility of excessive number of wagons queueing to access ports. Presumably its introduction will coincide with the new IT system due in November when the “pre Christmas” rush will have subsided. It could be a problem in January if there is a hard winter or if services are restricted.
In my line of work the “pre-Christmas rush” isnt over by mid November, although this year who knows how big any rush will be because of C19? But thats an aside.
Re " the new IT system due in November" theloadstar.com/another-blow-fo … or-brexit/
“News that the government’s much anticipated SMART Freight system is unlikely to be ready by the end of the year, with the beta version only anticipated for launch in mid-December, is a crushing disappointment for the logistics sector,”
"dismay at today’s revelation that the system will not be fully tested and stable until April 2021,”
.
When the “worst reasonable case” estimate for 7,000 trucks a day was made, was the system expected to be ready?
Is 7,000 still the worst case?
And should we trust that 7,000 in the first place? Since that figure came from the lips of one Michael Gove… facebook.com/CornwallForEur … 073185040/
Of those 7,000 trucks what number are empty? unless the rules have changed there is no need to clear an empty trailer. Last time I asked when checking in at P&O Dover the check in fella said roughly 50% are empty hence why they ask you “Empty or loaded?” not “What is your load?”. So you are correct in your statement “Should we trust the figures” .
Ummm. Am I missing summat?
If those empty trucks don’t need papers, they won’t be delayed. So, none of the 7,000?
But no one ever mentions empty trucks they just talk about the total number departing through Dover, if the figure is 7,000 per day then roughly 50% will be empty if they are talking about 7,000 loaded vehicles leaving Dover then the figure is wrong, current figures from the Guardian are just over 7,000 trucks a day using Dover (that is both ways) so departing 3,600, 50% empty leaves 1,800 to be cleared so a system set up to deal with 7,000 trucks a day even including the Tunnel traffic is not going to be overloaded. All of a sudden including empty trucks make a big difference to the figures
Optimum:
Are you implying that the Government may not be able to acheive these within the available time?
Optimum:
This maybe a resonable approach to tackle the possibility of excessive number of wagons queueing to access ports. Presumably its introduction will coincide with the new IT system due in November when the “pre Christmas” rush will have subsided. It could be a problem in January if there is a hard winter or if services are restricted.
In my line of work the “pre-Christmas rush” isnt over by mid November, although this year who knows how big any rush will be because of C19? But thats an aside.
Re " the new IT system due in November" theloadstar.com/another-blow-fo … or-brexit/
“News that the government’s much anticipated SMART Freight system is unlikely to be ready by the end of the year, with the beta version only anticipated for launch in mid-December, is a crushing disappointment for the logistics sector,”
"dismay at today’s revelation that the system will not be fully tested and stable until April 2021,”
.
When the “worst reasonable case” estimate for 7,000 trucks a day was made, was the system expected to be ready?
Is 7,000 still the worst case?
And should we trust that 7,000 in the first place? Since that figure came from the lips of one Michael Gove… facebook.com/CornwallForEur … 073185040/
Of those 7,000 trucks what number are empty? unless the rules have changed there is no need to clear an empty trailer. Last time I asked when checking in at P&O Dover the check in fella said roughly 50% are empty hence why they ask you “Empty or loaded?” not “What is your load?”. So you are correct in your statement “Should we trust the figures” .
Ummm. Am I missing summat?
If those empty trucks don’t need papers, they won’t be delayed. So, none of the 7,000?
But no one ever mentions empty trucks they just talk about the total number departing through Dover, if the figure is 7,000 per day then roughly 50% will be empty if they are talking about 7,000 loaded vehicles leaving Dover then the figure is wrong, current figures from the Guardian are just over 7,000 trucks a day using Dover (that is both ways) so departing 3,600, 50% empty leaves 1,800 to be cleared so a system set up to deal with 7,000 trucks a day even including the Tunnel traffic is not going to be overloaded. All of a sudden including empty trucks make a big difference to the figures
It is Gove who suggested queues of 7,000 trucks. That’s the “minister for Brexit” saying that.
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If you wish to suggest he hasn’t the foggiest idea what he is talking about, I just might agree.
All I’m suggesting is that until it happens no one knows the true figures I took the Dover figures from the Guardian on purpose so you wouldn’t dispute them, I don’t know how accurate Gove’s figures are either, but one thing is certain the Guardian will be using worse case scenario and saying that it is the norm.
Mazzer2:
All I’m suggesting is that until it happens no one knows the true figures I took the Dover figures from the Guardian on purpose so you wouldn’t dispute them, I don’t know how accurate Gove’s figures are either, but one thing is certain the Guardian will be using worse case scenario and saying that it is the norm.
Thanks for the consideration! [emoji3]
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Just under two and a half million trucks a year was true in 2018 and 2019. Dovers own figures. So that averages to about 7,000 a day.
Maybe Gove just took a punt at a day’s worth of trucks? Doubtless he has loads of experts around him, but, well…who needs them?
Read the news to day that they have started work on building a huge truck park in kent for 7000 vehicles, and customs buildings, so its happening folks.
truckyboy:
Read the news to day that they have started work on building a huge truck park in kent for 7000 vehicles, and customs buildings, so its happening folks.
I’m sure that will be up and running by January 1st given our government (throughout the years) and their track record of completing projects on time.
Its may be happening folks, but its been happening for some time…
