Form an orderly queue....£8.50 per hour.!

[harry_monk]

Mickey mouse:

The Sarge:
Just looked back at Mr Mouse’s posts over the last few years. He does like a moan and a whinge doesn’t he?

I’m Just trying to improve pay and conditions in this dreadful industry but as long as there’s people like you that think £8.50 per hour is ok then nothing will ever change…

Well, the bottom line is that we live in a free market economy and if £8.50 an hour is sufficient to attract job applicants then I suppose it is ok. If it wasn’t then they would have to pay more.

[mbax81]

kcrussell25:

Mickey mouse:

The Sarge:
Just looked back at Mr Mouse’s posts over the last few years. He does like a moan and a whinge doesn’t he?

I’m Just trying to improve pay and conditions in this dreadful industry but as long as there’s people like you that think £8.50 per hour is ok then nothing will ever change…

You will never get 1 size fits all. £8.50 would be terrible in London but is probably a decent wage in Bradford.

Also as Captain Caveman said the “bonuses” may make a difference, as well as Conor’s point about breaks

When I started out on Class 2 in 2006 I got a job on multi drop based in Cleckheaton, just outside of Bradford. Back then I was on £8.20 for first 40hrs, then £11 after that. It certainly isn’t a decent wage!

[uktramp]

Every ones circumstances are different, if some one is happy with the rate that they work for then nothing more to be said. Driving is not a lucrative job anyway to begin with. Well known for low rates and long hours,I bet they fill that vacancy quickly & easily. You don’t see many drivers earning £500 per week by doing 40 hrs.

[the_whirlwind]

In all honesty. Driving from Asda to asda, RDC to RDC then you still should be on at least 11 in the north and whatever the inflated cost of living is on top of that down south. The reason is the risk that we are taking. My mates laugh when I tell them that I can get heavy fines for things like going over my driving time and stuff. I email a local place advertising for Heavy haulage and the reply was 110 a day for anything between 10-13 hours. 13 hours would see you on about £8.40 an hour. Madness!

[kcrussell25]

mbax81:

kcrussell25:

Mickey mouse:

The Sarge:
Just looked back at Mr Mouse’s posts over the last few years. He does like a moan and a whinge doesn’t he?

I’m Just trying to improve pay and conditions in this dreadful industry but as long as there’s people like you that think £8.50 per hour is ok then nothing will ever change…

You will never get 1 size fits all. £8.50 would be terrible in London but is probably a decent wage in Bradford.

Also as Captain Caveman said the “bonuses” may make a difference, as well as Conor’s point about breaks

When I started out on Class 2 in 2006 I got a job on multi drop based in Cleckheaton, just outside of Bradford. Back then I was on £8.20 for first 40hrs, then £11 after that. It certainly isn’t a decent wage!

I don’t know if you realize but it is 2018 not 2006. What you earned then is irrelevant unless you still have the same job now.

Using Conors example 573 is a decent weeks wage these days I’m afraid, unless you go into specialised work. Someone told me the other day that we are not paid for the driving but for what we do when the taco goes on other work. For general driving job thats far from the worst I have seen. There are not many jobs left these days paying that in any industry. I didn’t earn much more than that as a night manger in a supermarket (including £4500 a year extra for nights)

Still don’t know what the “bonuses” are. If its like the £15 meal allowance for Stobarts its effectively another quid an hour on the rate.

[mike68]

Depends once again on the location as you go further from the major hubs then the pay gradually decreases.

The hourly rate seems poor we don’t know what the bonus is or how its calculated the O/T rate is £12.75 10 hours O/T a week plus whatever the bonus is would make it a reasonable wage in an area away from the hubs.

If you’re not competing for drivers in you’re area then why would you pay more, anyone who’s run a truck or two will tell you the profit margins are tiny, don’t expect big money it’s transport run for a profit its not a charity.

[ezydriver]

Aside from new starters looking to get a foothold, that wage will only attract drivers who do not value themselves, and if they do not value themselves, they won’t value much else. As the old saying goes: if you pay peanuts, you’ll get monkeys. These companies must pay out more on repairing damage than if they increased wages to attract better quality drivers.

[muckles]

Harry Monk:

Mickey mouse:

The Sarge:
Just looked back at Mr Mouse’s posts over the last few years. He does like a moan and a whinge doesn’t he?

I’m Just trying to improve pay and conditions in this dreadful industry but as long as there’s people like you that think £8.50 per hour is ok then nothing will ever change…

Well, the bottom line is that we live in a free market economy and if £8.50 an hour is sufficient to attract job applicants then I suppose it is ok. If it wasn’t then they would have to pay more.

That sadly is the long and short of it, if they get somebody then they’re justified in paying that much, if they don’t then they’ll have to put the money up.
As drivers the best you can do is keep looking out for the better money and better conditions, but don’t be surprised if somebody paying good money expects a bit more from their drivers than turning up at a delivery point and opening the curtains.

[the_nodding_donkey]

AndrewG:

Mickey mouse:

The Sarge:
Just looked back at Mr Mouse’s posts over the last few years. He does like a moan and a whinge doesn’t he?

I’m Just trying to improve pay and conditions in this dreadful industry but as long as there’s people like you that think £8.50 per hour is ok then nothing will ever change…

Nah…8.50£ is not ok, not even anywhere near what a class 1 driver is worth.
The problem is, theres many who will gladly work for that kind of pay and employers know it.
No, it will never happen but there should be a minimum HGV rate…12£p/h would be a reasonable starting point. In the UK though with tax credits given to those that have children its not always feasable to chase a decent wage as the govt tops up any shortfall anyway…

Like the CAO in the Netherlands?

Funny, I’ve been researching Dutch work lately, and am about to start contacting firms in Holland about work.

It’s good to have a foot on both sides of the Chunnel…

[the_nodding_donkey]

AndrewG:

Mickey mouse:

The Sarge:
Just looked back at Mr Mouse’s posts over the last few years. He does like a moan and a whinge doesn’t he?

I’m Just trying to improve pay and conditions in this dreadful industry but as long as there’s people like you that think £8.50 per hour is ok then nothing will ever change…

Nah…8.50£ is not ok, not even anywhere near what a class 1 driver is worth.
The problem is, theres many who will gladly work for that kind of pay and employers know it.
No, it will never happen but there should be a minimum HGV rate…12£p/h would be a reasonable starting point. In the UK though with tax credits given to those that have children its not always feasable to chase a decent wage as the govt tops up any shortfall anyway…

Got your pm Andrew, but as I’m on pre-mod, I can’t reply to it. I know… say hello to Rob for me.

[chester1]

The whirlwind:
In all honesty. Driving from Asda to asda, RDC to RDC then you still should be on at least 11 in the north and whatever the inflated cost of living is on top of that down south. The reason is the risk that we are taking. My mates laugh when I tell them that I can get heavy fines for things like going over my driving time and stuff. I email a local place advertising for Heavy haulage and the reply was 110 a day for anything between 10-13 hours. 13 hours would see you on about £8.40 an hour. Madness!

What risks? don’t go over your hours = no risk of fines .(and they ain’t heavy ). There are risks in all walks of life. we don’t get paid for the risks we take but on the worth of the job we do . Yes the rate of the job is poor and prob aimed at new starters and the unemployable but someone will be glad of it

[steve66]

Reading some of the comments on here I am realising that my job isn’t so bad!
£12.50 for the first 40.
Time and a third thereafter.
£4 dark between midnight and 4am.
All hours paid.

I’ve saved this thread.
Whenever I’m having a crap day I’ll realise it could be a lot worse.

[albion]

Might have to change your siggy as well Steve

[punchy_dan]

I often find the drivers that make the most noise about wages are the ones worth avoiding .

[the-snowman]

Mickey mouse:
I’m Just trying to improve pay and conditions in this dreadful industry

By doing what?

[beetlejuice]

Punchy Dan:
I often find the drivers that make the most noise about wages are the ones worth avoiding .

Subserviant brain deads ?

[winseer]

Don’t forget everyone - that the real hourly rate you work for is the actual hours you spend away from your home divided into the NET takehome pay.

Eg. Leave home @ 6.15am, clock on @ 07:00, take an hour off 13:00-14:00 for lunch, book off @ 17:00 home in the evening traffic @ 18:15.

SO monday-friday you’re really putting in 60 hours per week - 60 hours where you are not at home with your wife, kids, private life etc. available to do stuff you want.

Now if your job gives you a takehome pay of £600pw - then that job I’ve just described effectively pays £10ph - got it?

If you can’t push up the headline hourly rate in your workplace - then concentrate on doing the job more efficiently instead, and “Make time” to effectively increase it.

The same job I described above, but this time with the figures massaged as follows - looks like this:-

Leave home for work @ 06:45 Clock on 07:00, Take same breaks as before, but this time you’ve got away 45 minutes earlier, and not only missed evening traffic - but you are setting off home @ 16:15, and are home by 16:30.

That’s a total of 10 hours round turn per day instead of 12.

You’ve just reduced your Door-to-Door working week from 60 to 50 hours, and pushed your effective hourly rate up 20% to £12.00ph - without even getting a pay rise!

All you’ve done is make 45 minutes on your duty. I do NOT recommend doing this by “taking your break on the derv pumps” btw. Just become efficient at doing your regular job, so you can do it standing on your head so to speak.

Anything that cuts down your commute time - helps a LOT as well of course!

[steve66]

albion:
Might have to change your siggy as well Steve

It’s not such a nightmare after all

[chrisdalott]

the nodding donkey:

AndrewG:

Mickey mouse:

The Sarge:
Just looked back at Mr Mouse’s posts over the last few years. He does like a moan and a whinge doesn’t he?

I’m Just trying to improve pay and conditions in this dreadful industry but as long as there’s people like you that think £8.50 per hour is ok then nothing will ever change…

Nah…8.50£ is not ok, not even anywhere near what a class 1 driver is worth.
The problem is, theres many who will gladly work for that kind of pay and employers know it.
No, it will never happen but there should be a minimum HGV rate…12£p/h would be a reasonable starting point. In the UK though with tax credits given to those that have children its not always feasable to chase a decent wage as the govt tops up any shortfall anyway…

Like the CAO in the Netherlands?

Funny, I’ve been researching Dutch work lately, and am about to start contacting firms in Holland about work.

It’s good to have a foot on both sides of the Chunnel…

good luck with applying for your work permit and visa

[mrginge]

Winseer:
Don’t forget everyone - that the real hourly rate you work for is the actual hours you spend away from your home divided into the NET takehome pay.

Im screwed then, left the house 3pm Saturday, booked in hotel in Leeds 7pm and im not checking out till Saturday morning this week, yesterday and today were counted as my 2 days off as I started work last Thursday.

Enjoyed myself in the centre going to some museams and the o2 academy last night, once I finish dinner in the hotel this evening Im going to walk accross the road and watch Leeds v Wolves for a laugh.

Im definitely not in a job where you divide hours from home into take home pay