ERF 'European' (1975)

Looks like its finally under cover Robert !

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DEANB:
Looks like its finally under cover Robert !

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These pictures are most encouraging! It warms the heart to know that at least one other NGC survives, even if it’s off the road. We’ve heard tell of ‘ridiculous’ prices being quoted for this vehicle but does anyone know the exact sum? One man’s idea of over-pricing is another man’s idea of a bargain in the world of vehicle restoration - not that I’ve got the dosh, mind! Robert

Regular visitors to this thread will well know that my forum philosophy is that the more we all share info & pics on here, the more we all benefit and more we increase the likelihood of saving our transport history for future enthusiasts. To this end I will share with you my ongoing ‘live’ list of publications in which ERF NGCs are featured. Obviously, I am constantly updating this list (as indeed I update the NGC register); so if I decide to include it in Book 3, today’s list should be well out of date! Enjoy. Robert

ERF NGCs IN PUBLICATIONS

TRUCK magazine May 1975 (NGC advert)
TRUCK magazine June 1975 (Euro Test)
TRUCK magazine July 1975 (letter from Peter Foden)
TRUCK magazine January 1976 (looking back over year including the Euro Test)
TRUCK magazine July 1977 (Euro Test mentions NGC)
TRUCK magazine August 1977 (Euro Test mentions NGC)
TRUCK magazine July 1978 (ref to NGC in F12 Euro Test)
TRUCK magazine April 1981 (Vick / Bandag advert)
TRUCK magazine December 1992 (Euro Test comparison – Kennett)
TRUCK magazine July 1996 (piece includes NGCs)
TRUCKING International magazine Issue No1 1984 (ERF piece mentioning NGCs)
TRUCKING International magazine December 1986 (The Dutch Connection: article by Niels Jansen)
TRUCKING International magazine February 1998 (Peter Davies A-series incl. NGCs)
TRUCKING magazine 376 May 2015 (advert Lorries of Arabia)
TRUCKING magazine 378 July 2015 (book review, Lorries of Arabia)
TRUCKING magazine 379 Summer (July) 2015 (book review and article, Lorries of Arabia)
TRUCKING magazine 390 June 2016 (book review, Lorries of Arabia 2)
TRUCK & DRIVER magazine July 1988 (Albert Dale LDD)
TRUCK & DRIVER magazine June 2015 (book review, Lorries of Arabia)
TRUCK & DRIVER magazine June 2016 (book review and advert, Lorries of Arabia 2)
REVS International magazine issue 11 (John Simmons on GEH 523N Middle-East)
REVS magazine issue 16 (Wobbe Reitsma on European NGCs)
REVS magazine issue 32 (sale of GEH 513N)
REVS magazine issue 68 (Flemish ERFs: article by Wobbe Reitsma
REVS magazine issue 78 (Arabian Knights: article by Jerry Cooke)
REVS magazine issue 87 (Hefty European: article by Wobbe Reitsma)
REVS magazine issue 104 (European Flyers: article by Wobbe Reitsma)
(REVS magazine issue 106 (reference to Pountain’s unit)
REVS magazine issue 134 (Jona, HNV 59N)
REVS magazine issue 151 (breakdown wagon)
REVS magazine issue 156 (Richard Read)
REVS magazine issue 160 (Wobbe Reitsma)
REVS magazine issue 162 (ERF, Sand & Stars: Robert Hackford)
REVS magazine issue 164 (King of the Mountains: Robert Hackford; Eric Vick: Wobbe Reitsma)
REVS magazine issue 165 (two new pictures)
Classic Truck magazine November / December 2014 (Reitsma French NGC)
Classic Truck magazine May / June 2015 (advert, Lorries of Arabia)
Classic Truck magazine June 2016 (book review, Lorries of Arabia 1 & 2)
Chassis magazine issue 20, Spring ’74 (NGC feature)
Motor Transport 20th May 1977 (The Euro ERF: article by Phil Reed)
Motor Transport 7th July 1978 (CAMEL Jeddah NGCs: article by Alan Bunting)
Commercial Motor magazine 12th January 1973 (motor show NGC)
Commercial Motor magazine 20th September 1974 (Motor Show)
Commercial Motor magazine September 1974 (Motor Show Catalogue)
Commercial Motor magazine 25th April 1975 (whole page NGC advert)
Commercial Motor magazine 9th May 1975 (table of British tractive units)
Commercial Motor magazine 26th September 1975 (small note about NGC)
Commercial Motor magazine 31st October 1975 (Vijore report and picture)
Commercial Motor magazine 12th January 1980 (small ad, an NGC for sale)
Commercial Motor magazine 12th May 1984 (ERF exports interview)
Commercial Motor magazine 28th May 2015 (book preview Lorries of Arabia, full article)
Commercial Vehicle Driver magazine April 2016 (book review, Lorries of Arabia 2)
Heritage Commercials magazine 256 April 2011 (Jerry Cooke and Trans Arabia)
Heritage Commercials magazine 311 November 2015 (book review, Lorries of Arabia)
Heritage Commercials magazine July 2016 (NGC article / book reviews, both Lorries of Arabia)
Heritage Commercials magazine December 2016 (NGC letter by DA Oulton)
Heritage Commercials magazine December 2016 (NGC letter by RD Hackford)
Classic & Vintage Commercials magazine June 2015 (advert for Lorries of Arabia)
Classic & Vintage Commercials magazine September 2015 (KCH at Kelsall)
Truckstop News magazine April 2016 (book review, Lorries of Arabia 2)
Klassiska Lastbilar magazine no. 3 2015 (book review, Lorries of Arabia)
ERF – World Trucks No. 1, by Pat Kennett; Patrick Stevens Ltd 1978
ERF, the Inside Story, by Dai Davies; Titan Publications 2009
60 Years On – the story of ERF, a British Commercial Vehicle Manufacturer, by Alan Littlemore & Alan Millar; published by ERF Trucks 1993
The World’s Best Oil Engined Lorry: ERF Sixty Years of Truck Building, by Peter Davies; Roundoak Publishing 1994
Road Transport and the Read Family, by Paul Heaton; Heaton Publishing 2005
Transportnostalgie uit Belgie – Transportboek, by Mario Maes (Steenbergen NGCs) (Belgian)
Lorries of Arabia: ERF NGC, by Robert Hackford; Old Pond Publishing 2015
Lorries of Arabia Part 2: ERF NGC, by Robert Hackford; Old Pond Publishing 2016
The Observer’s Book of Commercial Vehicles, compiled by Nick Baldwin, Warne 1974
Staffordshire Hauliers Two, compiled by Ros Unwin, Churnet Valley Books 2013 (Trans Arabia / Vince Cooke / Jerry Cooke)
Those were the days…British and European Trucks of the 1970s, by Colin Peck, Veloce Publishing 2012
80 Years of ERF, by Mike Forbes, Key Publishing 2013
Truck Recognition, by Alan Millar, Ian Allan 1986
Manuel de conducteur, ERF 1974 (NGC driver’s handbook in French)
The ERF Story, Brian Weatherley, Reed Business Publishing (undated)
Graphite Garage, France Routes (one drawing of NGC) (French, undated)
Tussen de Ritten Door! 1873-1998 – 125 Years history of Van Steenbergen Transport Arendonk, by Albert-Jan Van Kemenade (Belgian)
Beroepsvervoer magazine 20th August 1975 issue (Translation of Truck’s Euro Test with NGC) (Dutch)
Beroepsvervoer magazine 17th September 1975 issue (NGC advert) (Dutch)
Beroepsvervoer magazine 7th April 1976 issue (NGC mentioned in later Euro Test) (Dutch)
Beroepsvervoer magazine December 1978 issue (Dutch)
Auto-en-Transportwereld magazine 18th October 1974 issue (full review of NGC) (Dutch)
Auto-en-Transportwereld magazine 1st November 1974 issue (NGC advert) (Dutch)
Auto-en-Transportwereld magazine 5th March 1976 issue (NGC advert) (Dutch)
Illustrated Parts Catalogue ERF
Two axle tractor and truck range ERF sales brochures in various 1970s editions in English, Dutch, Flemish or French.
Transmobiel magazine No. 118 vol. 5 Dec 2004 / Jan 2005 (Dutch)
Trucks in the 1980s by Nick Ireland, Old Pond Publishing 2005 (book advert only)
Beyond the Bosphorus by David Bowers, Old Pond Publishing 2015
Vintage Roadscene magazine, September 2015 (book review)
Vintage Roadscene magazine, May 2016 (book review, Lorries of Arabia)
Charge Utile magazine, No. 206 Feb 2010 (French)
Transport News magazine, September 2015 (book review, Lorries of Arabia)
Transport News magazine, August 2016 (book review, Lorries of Arabia 2)
Where’s Sharawrah? Gordon Pearce, Old Pond Publishing 2015 (book advert only)
ERF B, C, CP & E-series by Patrick W Dyer, Old Pond Publishing 2015
Road Haulage Archives – Issue 9: The Rare Ones, December 2016 (‘The ERF Story’ chapter), Kelsey Publishing Group
Le Poids Lourd magazine, No. 711 Sept 1974 (French – Paris motor show coverage)
Bedrijfstransport magazine, Dec 1974 (NGC test)
Les Maxis magazine, Feb 1973 (Belgian - NGC at Brussels show)

You dont realise how much there is about the NGC till you see that list. Although some are only small
bits and bobs.

At last we have the name of the company that operated vehicle number 66 on the register reg 785AHD75.

The company was called Meffre & Patalacci and the truck was used mainly on Italian work.
Hopefully will be receiving more information,but unfortunately the driver does not have any photos.

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DEANB:
You dont realise how much there is about the NGC till you see that list. Although some are only small
bits and bobs.

At last we have the name of the company that operated vehicle number 66 on the register reg 785AHD75.

The company was called Meffre & Patalacci and the truck was used mainly on Italian work.
Hopefully will be receiving more information,but unfortunately the driver does not have any photos.

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It’s a relief to have an operator’s name for this vehicle at last. Bravo! It looks as if Meffre might have been French and Patalacci from an Italian background, hence the Italian connection - just a guess of course. Good research again Dean :sunglasses: . Let’s hope they bought more than one NGC.

Cheers, Robert

DEANB:
You dont realise how much there is about the NGC till you see that list. Although some are only small
bits and bobs.

At last we have the name of the company that operated vehicle number 66 on the register reg 785AHD75.

The company was called Meffre & Patalacci and the truck was used mainly on Italian work.
Hopefully will be receiving more information,but unfortunately the driver does not have any photos.

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With a side/front quarter image of a B series ERF ridged on the RHS !!

David

5thwheel:

DEANB:
You dont realise how much there is about the NGC till you see that list. Although some are only small
bits and bobs.

At last we have the name of the company that operated vehicle number 66 on the register reg 785AHD75.

The company was called Meffre & Patalacci and the truck was used mainly on Italian work.
Hopefully will be receiving more information,but unfortunately the driver does not have any photos.

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With a side/front quarter image of a B series ERF ridged on the RHS !!

David

I’d say it was a two-axle ERF rigid with an LV cab (ie not a B-series) :wink: . R

A new advert for MABO in Paris.

DEANB:
A new advert for MABO in Paris.

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I’ve not seen that one Dean! Nice clear scan too. It’s interesting that MABO features in some of the adverts for NGCs but I don’t think we’re entirely sure that they ever actually handled ERFs before the big B-series came out in '77. Someone might be able to confirm or deny that. Robert

ERF-NGC-European:

DEANB:
A new advert for MABO in Paris.

I’ve not seen that one Dean! Nice clear scan too. It’s interesting that MABO features in some of the adverts for NGCs but I don’t think we’re entirely sure that they ever actually handled ERFs before the big B-series came out in '77. Someone might be able to confirm or deny that. Robert

It makes you think that MABO would have definately sold the NGC’s when you think that at least 9 NGC’s were sold in the IIe-de-France region of France which covers all the immediate areas
around Paris.

Department codes, 75,77,78,91,92,93,94 and 95.

Mabo postal code is 92.

ERF-NGC-European:

5thwheel:

DEANB:
You dont realise how much there is about the NGC till you see that list. Although some are only small
bits and bobs.

At last we have the name of the company that operated vehicle number 66 on the register reg 785AHD75.

The company was called Meffre & Patalacci and the truck was used mainly on Italian work.
Hopefully will be receiving more information,but unfortunately the driver does not have any photos.

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With a side/front quarter image of a B series ERF ridged on the RHS !!

David

I’d say it was a two-axle ERF rigid with an LV cab (ie not a B-series) :wink: . R

Right again Robert,further scrutiny confirms!

David

Just returned from another cracking Gaydon weekend. Excellent turnout of trucks, models and people. Paul Mellor put together a trio of Vick / Read / Vijore NGCs using 1:76 scale Frank Waller kits so I took a handful of pics to share with this thread. Robert

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Continuing my findings from the previous page: as always at these shows, I ran to earth various little gems at Gaydon this weekend; one of which was the French-language version of the NGC brochure bearing the stamp of MABO on the front. Each variant of this brochure has a separate code and you’ll see at the bottom of page 7 that this one is coded E/01F 1 Avril 74 (April 1974). Between several of us on here we have various English, Dutch and Flemish versions but I haven’t yet seen a French one. As they all differ slightly in detail I have scanned my new French one for you to scrutinise. Also, Dean might find the scans useful in his dealings with some of our French contributors :wink: . Enjoy! Robert








Among the many people with NGC connections I met at Gaydon this weekend, was Wobbe Reitsma with whom I had lunch in celebration of his excellent new book about export Fodens. By sheer coincidence the following morning I picked up a back number of REVS International magazine (No. 114 Feb '08) in which I found one of his articles which I have scanned for you as it contains an NGC reference and picture. Robert






It has been confirmed by one of our French contacts that the unit pictured below was registered 683ZV75 (not 583ZY75 as we thought from the indistinct photo). Robert

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ERF-NGC-European:
It has been confirmed by one of our French contacts that the unit pictured below was registered 683ZV75 (not 583ZY75 as we thought from the indistinct photo). Robert

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The french brochure is handy chap ! :smiley: Re the reg 583/683 we will discuss that tomorrow ! :unamused:

ERF-NGC-European:
It has been confirmed by one of our French contacts that the unit pictured below was registered 683ZV75 (not 583ZY75 as we thought from the indistinct photo). Robert

Here we go again !! :smiley: I informed Robert that number 73 on the register that we had down
as reg 583ZY75 which we debated a while back was infact 683ZV75.

The reason for this was a new advert i received from a french driver. Looking at the pic in the advert,and the pic of 583ZY75 i assumed that they were the same vehicle. Not sure if its a Y
or a V but that digit looks the same on both trucks. The french driver called it a V we called
it a Y.

However i have been looking at them over the week end and i am not so sure ■■ Its possible we
have a new one and that they are seperate vehicles ?

Sisters no doubt supplied by Mabo,Paris. Now i am not stating it is a new one,but i am not ruling
it out either. The main reason it could be a new one is that i queried the reg number with the
french driver and asked him to confirm it. He said its 683ZV75 !

Now i have played about with the pics of 583ZY75 and i think its a 5 but i would appreciate the
thoughts,input here from others. Can anyone make the pics clearer to try and read the number
plates ■■

So starting with the original one (colour pic) which we think is 583ZY75 and then the new black
and white advert of 683ZV75.

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New advert that the french drivers says the reg is 683ZV75.

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DEANB:

ERF-NGC-European:
It has been confirmed by one of our French contacts that the unit pictured below was registered 683ZV75 (not 583ZY75 as we thought from the indistinct photo). Robert

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Here we go again !! :smiley: I informed Robert that number 73 on the register that we had down
as reg 583ZY75 which we debated a while back was infact 683ZV75.

The reason for this was a new advert i received from a french driver. Looking at the pic in the advert,and the pic of 583ZY75 i assumed that they were the same vehicle. Not sure if its a Y
or a V but that digit looks the same on both trucks. The french driver called it a V we called
it a Y.

However i have been looking at them over the week end and i am not so sure ■■ Its possible we
have a new one and that they are seperate vehicles ?

Sisters no doubt supplied by Mabo,Paris. Now i am not stating it is a new one,but i am not ruling
it out either. The main reason it could be a new one is that i queried the reg number with the
french driver and asked him to confirm it. He said its 683ZV75 !

Now i have played about with the pics of 583ZY75 and i think its a 5 but i would appreciate the
thoughts,input here from others. Can anyone make the pics clearer to try and read the number
plates ■■

So starting with the original one (colour pic) which we think is 583ZY75 and then the new black
and white advert of 683ZV75.

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New advert that the french drivers says the reg is 683ZV75.

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That’s very interesting indeed, Dean. :smiley: I am inclined to agree with you that we have two separate NGCs here: 583ZY75 and 683ZV75, in which case we have an exciting new find! I also agree with you that MABO must have supplied some if not all of these French NGCs, especially as most of them were clustered around the same area as MABO. I will provisionally leave No.73 on the register as 583ZY75 and enter a new one at No.85 as 683ZV75. Robert

DEANB:
The french brochure is handy chap ! :smiley: Re the reg 583/683 we will discuss that tomorrow ! :unamused:

I’m wondering if the 5 and 6 are easy to confuse because of the French/Continental number shapes.IE in general use 1 can usually be easily confused with 7 which is why they cross the 7 and 6 looking like the top of the 5 would also fit in with the continental 9.

On that note while their version of the 9 is easily recognisable in that,I’ve never noticed it regarding the 6 but logically it would just look like the continental 9 turned upside down as usual in either case.Which might explain the flat top of the figure 6 causing confusion with 5 to Brit eyes just like we often look twice at their silly version of 9 ?.

It’ obviously a recabbed AEC Mercury :smiley: .


In the first pics, the bumper has a ■■■■■■■ badge and another detail on the bumper. It also has a diesel stain on the tank, and looks as it is an operator’s vehicle, parked up next to the Merc. The second pics look like advertising, IE the vehicle has not yet done any work.

Same livery, same trailer. The pics don’t show any conclusive difference in the number plates. I reckon it’s the same lorry. The dealer had it photographed (second pic), then the ■■■■■■■ badge was stuck on, then it went into service, acquiring that other mark on the bumper along the way.