Brexit and the driver shortage

Winseer:

Juddian:

Well, at the next election - I’m not afraid of Corbyn any more. As it stands, in any “early election” - I’ll be voting UKIP if Brexit isn’t completed by that point.
If it IS completed, I’ll vote for the party that did that.

That means having voted Libdem more often than for any other party - I can safely say that there is a 0% chance I’ll be voting Libdem then! :stuck_out_tongue:

Exactly this, we aint afraid of Corby because May and her EU supporting accolytes aren’t really much different.

Personally i haven’t voted for any of the main three parties for decades, long ago i realised none of them represented me nor any of the working class.

I’d intended to not vote in national elections any more because its become increasingly pointless, an act where we no longer vote FOR something, but increasingly its about voting for the least worse of the useless on offer, or increasingly for many voters, the scraps from the table they might receive from whichever crew of bought and paid traitors end up at the winner’s banquet.
Not sure about voting next time, like you if the tories get rid of May and put a conservative in number 10 who fulfills the pledge they made, i might even be tempted to give them my vote, but that seems increasingly unlikely, as does UKIP allowing in ex BNP/EDL members, so chances are i’ll sit the next GE out like i did the last.

No one worth a vote? well i can’t be arsed wasting even two minutes drawing a hampton and two plums on the ballot, they weren’t worth the effort.

Juddian:

As Peter Hitchens oft quotes, it’s only the obituary of the country that is now being written.

Brexit or no Brexit, this country will never revert to the once free Jerusalem i was fortunate enough to grow up in, that has gone, politicians both here and elsewhere have destroyed it (and without a shot being fired in defence) the future for our children will not be about petty things like wages due to peaceful genuine working people being imported, it will be about our children’s children survival in a country still worthy of the name.

What did you used to have the freedom to do that you’re not allowed to do today?

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chrisdalott:

Juddian:

As Peter Hitchens oft quotes, it’s only the obituary of the country that is now being written.

Brexit or no Brexit, this country will never revert to the once free Jerusalem i was fortunate enough to grow up in, that has gone, politicians both here and elsewhere have destroyed it (and without a shot being fired in defence) the future for our children will not be about petty things like wages due to peaceful genuine working people being imported, it will be about our children’s children survival in a country still worthy of the name.

What did you used to have the freedom to do that you’re not allowed to do today?

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My Answer: “Vote for a government that isn’t a puppet state of another far more malignant foreign power.”
The closest we’ve come to that in the past, was

Choosing a Constitutional Monarchy against as preferable to a Commonwealth Dictatorship masqeurading as “Republic”,

Choosing a Protestant Dutchman to be our king instead of a Catholic Scot who even took the trouble to be born in London.

Choosing to enforce the Act of Settlement, and have a No Speke English (Protestant) Kraut rule us, rather than a Catholic, bearing in mind ever since the Act of Supremecy 1534 - England - “didn’t want to be ruled by foreign Catholics”. They ended up being ruled by “just foreigners” instead then. :unamused: :unamused:

Wo is Hans?
Im Bett.
Woher ins Bett?
Mit Liselotte.
Woher mit Liselotte?
Zwischen ihre beine.
:blush:

Wo is Lumpi?
Fragt dass nicht. :stuck_out_tongue:

chrisdalott:

Juddian:

What did you used to have the freedom to do that you’re not allowed to do today?

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My childhood was spent roaming at free will, literally from a very young age around 5 i’d be out with the dog all day, sometimes i’d be alone, sometimes i’d meet up with friends, footy etc.
Had me bike and used to travel miles, either on my own or with me best mate when we’d go for long bike rides just for the hell of it, age from 7 upwards.
School holidays were one long idylic summer or enjoying the real winters we got every year…particularly 1963 when were snowed in for a week, 3ft deep up the lane to the village.
When i got older, say 9 or so i became a train spotter, yeah i know :laughing: , i’d get a child day return ticket cheap as chips and go all over the place visiting engine sheds, hundreds of miles covered days on end.
I spent endless weeks in the local signal box, learning the ropes, swapping packed lunches with the signalman.
Used to leave me bike in all sorts of places, not chained up, never got pinched nor bits taken from it.

School was a place of learning, not indoctrination, i was lucky enough to get a place in a very old grammar, where the boys (boys only hence partly the reason i was useless with girls, still am if it comes to it) where not only were we taught how not what to think, but we had our own quite extensive armoury complete with range and a school army and air force cadet corps, so lots of really exciting stuff to do.

We communicated person to person, the phones were still on 4d for a call, push button A to connect or B to refund if no answer, children didn’t cower in their bedroom having online discussions monitored by big brother and a million others to ensure they are quoting the hymnsheet of the day.

Yes it was real freedom, you never gave a thought to being taken or groomed (i do wish they stop calling the vile practice of child ■■■■/molestation mainly by the untouchables by such a cosy word), though there obviously were the rare cases of the vile moor murders scum, but they were so rare that our parents allowed us the freedom to judge for ourselves and learn what was safe and what wasn’t.
No adult or other child ever made any suggestion of anything untoward to me nor any other kid i know, and the old folk were safe to walk down the post office and collect their cash pension too, any bugger tried to rob 'em they’d be bloody lynched if the real bobbies of those times didn’t manage to nab 'em first…or a bloody sight worse if the Krays or other gangs from the era found them first.
There was a general respect of the older people, the brat generation hadn’t yet been encouraged.

We didn’t grow up any faster we grew up differently, it sported a generation not dissimilar to the ones before (though thankully we didn’t get sent to soak up bullets for idiots), where a mans word was something important and was stood by.
The girls were something else, feminine, before the word was stolen, like the word gay has been stolen.
We’ll never return to those times of course, and i’m not suggesting we should because that was then and now is now, i’m just thankful to have been born then, those born later won’t ever know what it was like and i’m sorry for them.

Juddian:

Winseer:

Juddian:

Well, at the next election - I’m not afraid of Corbyn any more. As it stands, in any “early election” - I’ll be voting UKIP if Brexit isn’t completed by that point.
If it IS completed, I’ll vote for the party that did that.

That means having voted Libdem more often than for any other party - I can safely say that there is a 0% chance I’ll be voting Libdem then! :stuck_out_tongue:

Exactly this, we aint afraid of Corby because May and her EU supporting accolytes aren’t really much different.

Personally i haven’t voted for any of the main three parties for decades, long ago i realised none of them represented me nor any of the working class.

I’d intended to not vote in national elections any more because its become increasingly pointless, an act where we no longer vote FOR something, but increasingly its about voting for the least worse of the useless on offer, or increasingly for many voters, the scraps from the table they might receive from whichever crew of bought and paid traitors end up at the winner’s banquet.
Not sure about voting next time, like you if the tories get rid of May and put a conservative in number 10 who fulfills the pledge they made, i might even be tempted to give them my vote, but that seems increasingly unlikely, as does UKIP allowing in ex BNP/EDL members, so chances are i’ll sit the next GE out like i did the last.

No one worth a vote? well i can’t be arsed wasting even two minutes drawing a hampton and two plums on the ballot, they weren’t worth the effort.

I usually vote with gritted teeth; I’ve always believed that if you don’t vote, you lose your right to criticise. I’m not saying that people who don’t vote are wrong but, I would maintain, even a protest in the shape of a hampton is better than simply not turning up. Personally, I always used to vote for Charlie. Ok, he was a p#ss-head but he was actually a nice bloke - and as a constituency MP he was excellent. Not going to vote for the SNP t#ss-pot who is in now and think I might have to take a clothes peg. :cry: :cry:

Away from that, I’ve always advocated a Not and 60 system… …

You should have the ability to mark your slip None Of The Above. This means that the incumbent pigs and their ‘opposition’ allies can s#d off and have a re-think. If that happened, the people might actually have a say in what happens!
Alongside that, there should be a 60% rule… you can only get elected (or run the country) if you get 60% of the electorate voting for you.

That would shake things up to the point where it might actually be worth voting.

Well said that man! You sound like the Big Brother I never had. :slight_smile:

Most of the stuff you said sounds similar to myself, but you are a generation before me with all the talk of 4d and all.
I am from the generation where you got four fruit salad/mojos/blackjacks for a new penny.

I never got to spend a threppenny bit, although I used to find them down the back of my Nan’s (bottomless) sofa all the time.
You had to mind your teeth for the old sixpences that used to end up in the Christmas pud…
For some reason, I remember still being able to spend them long after decimalization. 2.5p with which you could buy no less than TEN of the above sweets in a “corner shop” that would be on MANY street corners back then.

I’m also perhaps the last generation to learn trucking on a crash gear box needing double de-clutching and the like.
Cabs were cold, uncomfortable affairs where you felt every pothole doing damage to your brownhole, if one’s observance that “older drivers always seemed to have chalfonts all the time” was accurate…

I got into a boys grammar, just as the recently-taken-over-by-Labour town hall cut funding to such an extend that we were sharing a book between two or even three people, and expensive materials had to be returned in scrap form (or “poured back into the bottle” in Chemistry class) to make ends meet for the school.
There was never much problem with “shortage of staff” in those days though, with teachers on the whole “Strict, but Fair”. None of this “indoctination” crap had got started, until after I left.

Are there any of you lot out there who can name anyone in these pics?
(I’m not in them, but these were the only pics of the school I went to I could find floating around…)
I do recognize some of the Teachers - but none of the lads, so I’m guessing these pics were taken at some point after I left, but before some of the masters present here started dying off, such as Mr Rogers (2nd picture, Leftmost teacher, 2nd row from bottom)

Winseer:
Are there any of you lot out there who can name anyone in these pics?

We used to have a photo like that taken every year at school. It looks like everybody is seated in straight lines, but in fact the pupils were lined up in an arc and the cameraman used to pan the camera from one end to the other. Without fail, every year somebody would take position at one end, then when the exposure had started quickly run behind the assembled group and take position at the other end, so that they appeared in the photo twice. :smiley:

Winseer and Juddian.Prime examples of authentic,full-spectrum, Grammar School educations we will probably never experience again chez blighty.Deeply depressing.

Been here longer than the Poles & EE but still haven’t fully integrated
http://www.primaryhomeworkhelp.co.uk/saxons/when.htm

Sad that this written from an Anglo/Saxo/Invaders viewpoint as they could not have invaded England as England gets its name from them: Angleland/Ingerland - they invaded Briton or Big Britain(Grande Bretagne) & now want to leave their cousins via Brexit

You couldn’t make it up if it wasn’t for the Mail, The Sun, The star & numerous other Billionaire publications for the masses

whisperingsmith:
Been here longer than the Poles & EE but still haven’t fully integrated
When did the Anglo-Saxons invade Britain?

Sad that this written from an Anglo/Saxo/Invaders viewpoint as they could not have invaded England as England gets its name from them: Angleland/Ingerland - they invaded Briton or Big Britain(Grande Bretagne) & now want to leave their cousins via Brexit

You couldn’t make it up if it wasn’t for the Mail, The Sun, The star & numerous other Billionaire publications for the masses

Many historians and archaeologists now believe (backed up by DNA studies) that the Anglo Saxons far from invading and wiping out the existing post Roman population actually ended up living alongside them and then mixing with them, so actually they did fully integrate.

It seems the Normans and Romans didn’t leave much genetic trace in the population suggesting they didn’t intergrate, instead formed a ruling elite that stuck to it’s own.

As for Brexit, my understanding is that its about leaving a political system, not a geographical area and It’s only a few nutters who are still fighting WWII who want to isolate themselves from the peoples of Europe.

manalishi:
Winseer and Juddian.Prime examples of authentic,full-spectrum, Grammar School educations we will probably never experience again chez blighty.Deeply depressing.

Though I hate to admit to being as antiquated … … they’re not the only ones. :blush: :blush: :blush:

muckles:

whisperingsmith:
Been here longer than the Poles & EE but still haven’t fully integrated
When did the Anglo-Saxons invade Britain?

Sad that this written from an Anglo/Saxo/Invaders viewpoint as they could not have invaded England as England gets its name from them: Angleland/Ingerland - they invaded Briton or Big Britain(Grande Bretagne) & now want to leave their cousins via Brexit

You couldn’t make it up if it wasn’t for the Mail, The Sun, The star & numerous other Billionaire publications for the masses

Many historians and archaeologists now believe (backed up by DNA studies) that the Anglo Saxons far from invading and wiping out the existing post Roman population actually ended up living alongside them and then mixing with them, so actually they did fully integrate.

It seems the Normans and Romans didn’t leave much genetic trace in the population suggesting they didn’t intergrate, instead formed a ruling elite that stuck to it’s own.

As for Brexit, my understanding is that its about leaving a political system, not a geographical area and It’s only a few nutters who are still fighting WWII who want to isolate themselves from the peoples of Europe.

True – England as an entity didn’t exist. For administration purposes the Romans divided the country (ie. The Land Mass) into 3: The bit they ruled (essentially the south east and midlands), the bits that wouldn’t lie down (all the bits south of the wall apart from that), and all the bits they couldn’t control at all (the rest). Hadrian’s wall was an administrative barrier and marker… nothing more.

Apart from that, even when the Romans left, this was far from being a homogeneous country; Atrebates, Belgae, Cantiaci,
Catuvellauni, Dobunni, Dumnonii, Cornovii, Durotriges, Regnenses. ---- and that’s just the tribes from below a line from the Wash to the Severn. Add in all the tribes from further north (Brigantes et al), then Picts, Celts, Attacotti etc (from north of where the border is now).

The Myth perpetuating England (a term which is still offensive to many!) as a solid is a very modern and media thing.

Incredible.I read a book recently-The Anti-Terrorist Handbook,(Banksy style picture of balaclavad chap on cover) As well as extremely illuminating essays on medicine(vaccines),judiciary etc,he covers education and in one chapter submits a typical circa-early 1900s Kansas,USA- primary school academic syllabus; covering,mathematics,Geography,English etc,for these agricultural region pupils.
My god :exclamation: the educations of that period would give present day Oxford and Cambridge graduates a run for their money.
It’s one hell of different scene right now,i think it fair to say.

dieseldog999:
If he reports it, the company pays the “fine”, and the driver gets sacked as a “worst possible outcome”. No loss of licence, no fine, and no compensation to pay.
If he DOESN’T report it, and worse- he’s self-employed with his own insurance - he’ll find that his behaviour somehow “invalidates” that insurance, leaving him facing likely bankruptcty - and that’s assuming he’s got a house to have taken away from him…

Hit a bridge, Face the music - and off to the jobcenter. With an unendorsed licence, he’ll be starting his new job the following week at the latest. :neutral_face:

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mabey im reading this wrong,but the norm for being caught after scratching a bridge is 3 or 6 points,at least a few hundred quid out of pocket,and in some cases a possible 6 month in jail ectect■■?
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How come there are still so many agency drivers about then? :smiley: :stuck_out_tongue:

Juddian:

Winseer:

Juddian:

Well, at the next election - I’m not afraid of Corbyn any more. As it stands, in any “early election” - I’ll be voting UKIP if Brexit isn’t completed by that point.
If it IS completed, I’ll vote for the party that did that.

That means having voted Libdem more often than for any other party - I can safely say that there is a 0% chance I’ll be voting Libdem then! :stuck_out_tongue:

Exactly this, we aint afraid of Corby because May and her EU supporting accolytes aren’t really much different.

Personally i haven’t voted for any of the main three parties for decades, long ago i realised none of them represented me nor any of the working class.

I’d intended to not vote in national elections any more because its become increasingly pointless, an act where we no longer vote FOR something, but increasingly its about voting for the least worse of the useless on offer, or increasingly for many voters, the scraps from the table they might receive from whichever crew of bought and paid traitors end up at the winner’s banquet.
Not sure about voting next time, like you if the tories get rid of May and put a conservative in number 10 who fulfills the pledge they made, i might even be tempted to give them my vote, but that seems increasingly unlikely, as does UKIP allowing in ex BNP/EDL members, so chances are i’ll sit the next GE out like i did the last.

No one worth a vote? well i can’t be arsed wasting even two minutes drawing a hampton and two plums on the ballot, they weren’t worth the effort.

When I was still at school, I imagined being “none of the above” like yourself as an adult in the years to come.

When my first election to take part in came along - I was informed that “if you don’t vote, you can’t moan if nothing changes”.
so ever since then - I ALWAYS vote and ALWAYS moan when nothing changes.
Indeed, “Brexit” was the first time in my life I thought I’d “won” - in that I’d voted for a change… that has yet to be implemented over two years hence. :imp:

I always vote in political elections, but have yet to help get a new candidate in the seat in question. :frowning:
My quiet acceptance of “losing yet again” or “my vote didn’t make a difference this time” turns into anger when I see how Remain voters have behaved after losing in 2016, and the more extreme Labour voters have behaved since losing last year.

Perhaps the biggest reason that the Right in politics has been on the back foot in our lifetimes - is that “We let them do to us, what we would never dream of doing to them.”

Perhaps that now needs to change. :neutral_face:

Win-Stone:

manalishi:
Winseer and Juddian.Prime examples of authentic,full-spectrum, Grammar School educations we will probably never experience again chez blighty.Deeply depressing.

Though I hate to admit to being as antiquated … … they’re not the only ones. :blush: :blush: :blush:

That’s it lads - out and proud now!

“Six of the Best” - isn’t an amount of beer cans.
“Sweat” wasn’t something you did - it was the nickname of one of the teachers in the pic above who happened to be an exponent of “six of the best” - complete with cricket run-up.
“Reversible” - was a type of shirt. If you didn’t have a fancy (expensive) reversible shirt - you had to be skins instead, which was pretty grim in the January Snows…
“Warm Up” - was a one mile run.
“Vest” - would get you some dirty snow stuffed down your outer shirt, if you were caught wearing one underneath - from the PE master!
“Head Boy” - was always from the colonies erm.commonwealth states.
“Houses” - were also “commonwealth states”.
“Tool” was something you used and/or made in the workshop - rather than an insult hurled at someone doing something wrong.
“Steam Engine” (driving of) was a typical pastime for a holidaying Schoolmaster.

Winseer said…‘‘Perhaps the biggest reason that the Right in politics has been on the back foot in our lifetimes - is that “We let them do to us, what we would never dream of doing to them.”
Perhaps that now needs to change. :neutral_face:’’

That’s a difficult one, those of us with leanings veering towards the right, or more accurately of a libertarian mind where we believe in live and let live, tend to allow people to have their own opinions and not wish to force our beliefs on others, nor expect others to pay more than their fair share towards the common good.

Generally we wouldn’t dream of saying to others that their opinion is not valid, or as is happening in recent years where views that the left don’t agree with must be banned or shouted down and the proponents of those other views no platformed, increasingly the march of the left through the institutions have succeeded in getting the wrong views made illegal.
The irony of all this is that those who would ban alternative views would call those they ban fascists, but then the left and their brethren have never had much in the way of nous, for they have become what they once fought.

We on the right of politics tend to have a sense of fair play, we don’t expect others who have worked all their lives to have to provide for the work shy or the welfare grabbers, we extend the hand of friendship to those who claim to flee persecution or war and we expect them to appreciate the country they have been granted a new life in, to respect their host country and its way of life and customs and not seek to change it by violent means, and to be prepared to work in their new home to provide for themselves once they have themselves established, and to absolutely not break the laws of their new country.

Generally i don’t think we should resort to the violence of the left, but neither should be turn the other cheek forever when attacked by them.
The state is not our friend any more, the march of the left through the institutions has seen people with views like ours become officially vilified, with a state enforcement service once known as the police only too ready to do the bidding of the state, riding roughshod over due process depending on the person of interest at the time.

I had hoped we might see a glimmer of light following the Brexit vote, but my lovely wife (who can see through shysters like glass) said to me the day of the vote that we wouldn’t be leaving, and so far she has been proved right, time will tell but the end of democracy in Britain i fear are fast coming to pass.

We have been duped for years by politicians and the media, the birth of the internet woke millions up including me because i cold find things out that they didn’t want me to know and people like us found that we were not alone.
The powers that be are desperately trying to cram the internet genie back in the bottle, using the twitters and googles of this world to ban those with the wrong views, this IMHO is only the tip of the censorship iceberg and blanket removal from the internet cables for the unwanted posters/bloggers/alternative news sites is the next step they will take.

I think those in power want the right to take action, look at the massive publicity the one of two idiots who did stupid and wrong things caused, with the media and the usual suspects desperately trying to make a case of them being some sort of organised extreme right wing mob.
Often the left cause violence when the right are finally stirred into protest action, and you could bet your last farthing that the politicised police will deal harshly with any equivalent reaction from the legitimate right protesters.

I have no answers i’m afraid dear chap (little brother :sunglasses: ), just do what you can to keep you and yours safe when the lid finally blows as it surely must.

By the way, as an outed ex grammar school boy, i too went to school in Kent, it won’t take a genius to work out which one.

Juddian:

chrisdalott:

Juddian:

What did you used to have the freedom to do that you’re not allowed to do today?

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My childhood was spent roaming at free will, literally from a very young age around 5 i’d be out with the dog all day, sometimes i’d be alone, sometimes i’d meet up with friends, footy etc.
Had me bike and used to travel miles, either on my own or with me best mate when we’d go for long bike rides just for the hell of it, age from 7 upwards.
School holidays were one long idylic summer or enjoying the real winters we got every year…particularly 1963 when were snowed in for a week, 3ft deep up the lane to the village.
When i got older, say 9 or so i became a train spotter, yeah i know :laughing: , i’d get a child day return ticket cheap as chips and go all over the place visiting engine sheds, hundreds of miles covered days on end.
I spent endless weeks in the local signal box, learning the ropes, swapping packed lunches with the signalman.
Used to leave me bike in all sorts of places, not chained up, never got pinched nor bits taken from it.

School was a place of learning, not indoctrination, i was lucky enough to get a place in a very old grammar, where the boys (boys only hence partly the reason i was useless with girls, still am if it comes to it) where not only were we taught how not what to think, but we had our own quite extensive armoury complete with range and a school army and air force cadet corps, so lots of really exciting stuff to do.

We communicated person to person, the phones were still on 4d for a call, push button A to connect or B to refund if no answer, children didn’t cower in their bedroom having online discussions monitored by big brother and a million others to ensure they are quoting the hymnsheet of the day.

Yes it was real freedom, you never gave a thought to being taken or groomed (i do wish they stop calling the vile practice of child ■■■■/molestation mainly by the untouchables by such a cosy word), though there obviously were the rare cases of the vile moor murders scum, but they were so rare that our parents allowed us the freedom to judge for ourselves and learn what was safe and what wasn’t.
No adult or other child ever made any suggestion of anything untoward to me nor any other kid i know, and the old folk were safe to walk down the post office and collect their cash pension too, any bugger tried to rob 'em they’d be bloody lynched if the real bobbies of those times didn’t manage to nab 'em first…or a bloody sight worse if the Krays or other gangs from the era found them first.
There was a general respect of the older people, the brat generation hadn’t yet been encouraged.

We didn’t grow up any faster we grew up differently, it sported a generation not dissimilar to the ones before (though thankully we didn’t get sent to soak up bullets for idiots), where a mans word was something important and was stood by.
The girls were something else, feminine, before the word was stolen, like the word gay has been stolen.
We’ll never return to those times of course, and i’m not suggesting we should because that was then and now is now, i’m just thankful to have been born then, those born later won’t ever know what it was like and i’m sorry for them.

:smiley: totally agree what a good post

Win-Stone:

manalishi:
Winseer and Juddian.Prime examples of authentic,full-spectrum, Grammar School educations we will probably never experience again chez blighty.Deeply depressing.

Though I hate to admit to being as antiquated … … they’re not the only ones. :blush: :blush: :blush:

Is anyone going to admit having gone to the same school as me, albeit at a different time maybe?

Those who went before I did - should recognize some of the older masters, whilst those who went there from the late 80’s onwards - would remember the younger ones.

Headmaster Stan Gregory (6th from left, bottom row of masters, 2nd picture) used to run the place like it was a Public School rather than something more mundane like a secondary modern.

The ethos of the school prior to being re-labelled a “Grammar” - was to teach the lads a TRADE.

That ethos is relevant to trucking today of course. Are any of us ever going to be out of work as a result of losing one’s current job for example?

You could get a double first degree in “Communication Studies” nowadays - but even if you got a plum job working for the local Labour Party HQ or whatever - once you lost that job - how on earth would you find another one?

“Becoming unemployable” due to the “wrong kind of experience” rather than the “wrong kind of qualifications” - is going to affect more and more Uni students as time goes on, I suggest.

My old school trained people up for the Dockyard, which then closed down just as I was leaving. After years of trying to get a job in industry and/or science (now in steep decline in this country under Thathcher, despite her being a Doctor of Chemistry) - I eventually ended up working on the trains, getting my car licence privately, and eventually getting the firm to put me through my C+E from which point I never looked back. :sunglasses: Thus, the C+E entitlement on my licence - turned out to be better, more lucrative and a sheer “life-maker” aspect to my paper qualifications more than any other qualification I got at school and college after that, where I did do Physical Sciences, Electrical Engineering, Computing, and even got a typing qualifaction - all to "no job at the end of it, bar yet another YTS from the “joke shop” that we used to call the Job Center back then.

Juddian:
Winseer said…‘‘Perhaps the biggest reason that the Right in politics has been on the back foot in our lifetimes - is that “We let them do to us, what we would never dream of doing to them.”
Perhaps that now needs to change. :neutral_face:’’

That’s a difficult one, those of us with leanings veering towards the right, or more accurately of a libertarian mind where we believe in live and let live, tend to allow people to have their own opinions and not wish to force our beliefs on others, nor expect others to pay more than their fair share towards the common good.

Generally we wouldn’t dream of saying to others that their opinion is not valid, or as is happening in recent years where views that the left don’t agree with must be banned or shouted down and the proponents of those other views no platformed, increasingly the march of the left through the institutions have succeeded in getting the wrong views made illegal.
The irony of all this is that those who would ban alternative views would call those they ban fascists, but then the left and their brethren have never had much in the way of nous, for they have become what they once fought.

We on the right of politics tend to have a sense of fair play, we don’t expect others who have worked all their lives to have to provide for the work shy or the welfare grabbers, we extend the hand of friendship to those who claim to flee persecution or war and we expect them to appreciate the country they have been granted a new life in, to respect their host country and its way of life and customs and not seek to change it by violent means, and to be prepared to work in their new home to provide for themselves once they have themselves established, and to absolutely not break the laws of their new country.

Generally i don’t think we should resort to the violence of the left, but neither should be turn the other cheek forever when attacked by them.
The state is not our friend any more, the march of the left through the institutions has seen people with views like ours become officially vilified, with a state enforcement service once known as the police only too ready to do the bidding of the state, riding roughshod over due process depending on the person of interest at the time.

I had hoped we might see a glimmer of light following the Brexit vote, but my lovely wife (who can see through shysters like glass) said to me the day of the vote that we wouldn’t be leaving, and so far she has been proved right, time will tell but the end of democracy in Britain i fear are fast coming to pass.

We have been duped for years by politicians and the media, the birth of the internet woke millions up including me because i cold find things out that they didn’t want me to know and people like us found that we were not alone.
The powers that be are desperately trying to cram the internet genie back in the bottle, using the twitters and googles of this world to ban those with the wrong views, this IMHO is only the tip of the censorship iceberg and blanket removal from the internet cables for the unwanted posters/bloggers/alternative news sites is the next step they will take.

I think those in power want the right to take action, look at the massive publicity the one of two idiots who did stupid and wrong things caused, with the media and the usual suspects desperately trying to make a case of them being some sort of organised extreme right wing mob.
Often the left cause violence when the right are finally stirred into protest action, and you could bet your last farthing that the politicised police will deal harshly with any equivalent reaction from the legitimate right protesters.

I have no answers i’m afraid dear chap (little brother :sunglasses: ), just do what you can to keep you and yours safe when the lid finally blows as it surely must.

By the way, as an outed ex grammar school boy, i too went to school in Kent, it won’t take a genius to work out which one.

I’ve always had a bit of a military leaning, perhaps due to the local heritage here. I even ended up voting for Paddy Ashdown for all the years he was leader of the Libdems, more because of his SBS background than anything else. I remember thinking what a great guy he was - when he hospitalized an assailant who had attacked him whilst walking through Yeovil - his own constituency at that time in the early 90’s. Ashdown tells of flick-knife attack after racism row | The Independent | The Independent

Perhaps we should have more people from a miltary background back in Westminster again?

At least current UKIP leader Gerard Batten - can speak of such a military background for himself. British folk are not going to get their respect back - until they go out there and grab it with both hands from those whom would take it away, and wring their collective hands about “past British actions” we should be proud of, rather than attempt to shy away from.
What’s done is done. Now - let’s get on with our futures please, rather than look for recriminations from the past in place of actual criticising party’s policies…

Conservatives are conserving what exactly these days? Conserving Remain?
Labour haven’t worked for years, having blown the opportunity of a lifetime - when refusing to nationalize the banking system a decade ago.
The Libdems still don’t appreciate - that some of their once strongest supporters have been alienated out of the door by excessively swinging to Remainers as a way to go for the future.
Even Nicola Sturgeon’s SNP must realize by this point that “Pro Referendum, Pro Indepdence UKIP” could and would have organized Scotland winning their own referendum, and could still help achieve the 2nd one that she seems to want… Bit of advice: "Try asking the WHOLE UK next time around, rather than keeping it a “thin poll” among the Scots alone. Sturgeon might be surprised at how much support there is south of the border for Scotland to “go it alone” let’s say… Now that Crude Oil is back to the high 70’s per barrel - Scotland could actually afford to BE indepdendent now - as well!

Sturgeon - if she wants “indyref2” then - should stop pushing UKIP away - who are the only ones that could make it happen. :bulb:

A future coalition with UKIP and the SNP in it - is FAR from impossible… And I’m sure the leadership could always be quickly “changed” if the current leader(s) were intransigent in making it work. :smiling_imp:

What say the Scottish drivers among us? What is the best way to increase revenue inflows to Scotland, both in or out of the UK?