Brexit / IR35

[londontrucker123]

So, the fact that Brexit finally did happen, and that now that IR35 is being implementened by the Govt. as far as the driving sector is concerned, will wages finally rise?

Brexit may not have been enough in itself to put foreigners off?, but will IR35 just kill it off for them? No more coming here, not paying car tax etc., - just keep car on foreign plates & insurance if any, hey they have better deal than me that’s for sure.

I expect no ‘spike’ in the driver shortage and resulatant wages myself. RHA can ■■■■ in the wind as far as I’m concerned.

[silver_surfer]

There isn’t and never has been and I doubt there ever will be a driver shortage. There is a shortage of drivers willing to work for peanuts. If firms can’t get drivers then all they need to do is offer more money, problem solved.

In most driving jobs the wages haven’t gone up hardly at all for about 15 to 20 years. I remember getting about £10 per hour PAYE on the agency about 15 years ago. You only have to look around at what a lot of hauliers are paying nowadays and it ain’t much more.

I don’t knock the Eastern European immigrant influx as I’d have done the same if I were them and I’m second generation Irish myself, born here but you can’t dispute the fact that we’d all probably be on £20 per hour now without it. Tory business owners will always find a way to get cheap Labour, don’t kid yourself Brexit will change that. Money for those in power is the only god in this country.

Sure, there’s some good driving jobs where you can get £14 odd per hour with wage increases every year but these are few and far between.

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[beetlejuice]

Silver_Surfer:
There isn’t and never has been and I doubt there ever will be a driver shortage. There is a shortage of drivers willing to work for peanuts. If firms can’t get drivers then all they need to do is offer more money, problem solved.

In most driving jobs the wages haven’t gone up hardly at all for about 15 to 20 years. I remember getting about £10 per hour PAYE on the agency about 15 years ago. You only have to look around at what a lot of hauliers are paying nowadays and it ain’t much more.

I don’t knock the Eastern European immigrant influx as I’d have done the same if I were them and I’m second generation Irish myself, born here but you can’t dispute the fact that we’d all probably be on £20 per hour now without it. Tory business owners will always find a way to get cheap Labour, don’t kid yourself Brexit will change that. Money for those in power is the only god in this country.

Sure, there’s some good driving jobs where you can get £14 odd per hour with wage increases every year but these are few and far between.

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Just pointing out that it was in fact Tony Blairof LIEBOUR who opened the flood gates to the EU and freedom of movement in 2004/05…

[silver_surfer]

Fair point. I think Blair was a Tory in disguise and a Tory government would have done the same I’d have thought. I voted for the first time in my life at the last GE but Burton is a Tory stronghold so not much point. Labour will never get in to power in this country again anyway.

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[beetlejuice]

Silver_Surfer:
Fair point. I think Blair was a Tory in disguise and a Tory government would have done the same I’d have thought. I voted for the first time in my life at the last GE but Burton is a Tory stronghold so not much point. Labour will never get in to power in this country again anyway.

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You still buy the labour party are for the workers.Are you in the union comrade■■?

Blair is 100% Labour a filthy party for the new world order and anyone but British workers.

He was just not as far left as Corbyn and his stenching crew

[silver_surfer]

Ahh yes the all Labour supporters are communists line. [emoji23]

I’m not in a position to be in a union but I would be if I I had the opportunity, what’s wrong with that? It’s a combined wage negotiation vehicle. They’re not like in the 70’s or whatever whereby they pump a business to bankruptcy.

I’m not that interested in politics mate and we obviously have differing view points that neither will change.

Do you honestly believe Boris Johnson gives a toss about anyone but himself? Say what you like about Jeremy Corbin but at least the bloke would help you out if you were in a pickle rather than spit on you as he wafted past to the raffles club for brandy and cigars.

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[beetlejuice]

With all due respect,instead of getting all defensive realise this,all politicians are out for them selves and not us workers.
All parties are there to control the minions.

Boris Corbyn Blair are all puppets fronting the Elites.

It is called divide and conquer,it has been going on for thousands of years.

[juddian]

I think that history, assuming the truth is ever spoken aloud and printed again, will realise that Blair was far more radical and dangerous for this country and its native people than most realise.

A perverted form of socialism, not closet communist or necessarily hate for the country such as the Corbyn regime displayed (it hasn’t gone away by the way),but when Blair came to power it was the first wave of champagne socialists who had no ties to nation not a patriotic bone in their bodies but an urge to experiment such as demented brat with a magnifying glass on a hot day might take his bile out on an ants nest, we are talking evil here, not misguided, cunning and with massive ambitions for their own personal wealth and power.

Many people assumed Blair was a tory in disguise, this was subterfuge to disguise their carefully drawn radical programs to change the country for ever, as it has, this country will never recover from Blair because we are still living theBlair regime.

Blair is still leading us by proxy, pointless Cameron boasted he was heir to Blair, pointless May was continuation of the same narrative, a slightly nastier Cameron in drag, Johnson has fooled millions that he’s a conservative, but he’s just another product off the Etonocracy production line via the Bullingdon finishing school, many who voted for him are starting to realise he’s not what they thought he was wth his well practised bluster to make you feel like you have a jolly eccentric uncle leadingthe country, a safe pair of hands with the good of the nation at heart, we may find we have gone from the frying pan and are now deep in the fire.

[beetlejuice]

Juddian:
I think that history, assuming the truth is ever spoken allowed and printed again, will realise that Blair was far more radical and dangerous for this country and its native people than most realise.

A perverted form of socialism, not closet communist or necessarily hate for the country such as the Corbyn regime displayed (it hasn’t gone away by the way),but when Blair came to power it was the first wave of champagne socialists who had no ties to nation not a patriotic bone in their bodies but an urge to experiment such as demented brat with a magnifying glass on a hot day might take his bile out on an ants nest, we are talking evil here, not misguided, cunning and with massive ambitions for their own personal wealth and power.

Many people assumed Blair was a tory in disguise, this was subterfuge to disguise their carefully drawn radical programs to change the country for ever, as it has, this country will never recover from Blair because we are still living theBlair regime.

Blair is still leading us by proxy, pointless Cameron boasted he was heir to Blair, pointless May was continuation of the same narrative, a slightly nastier Cameron in drag, Johnson has fooled millions that he’s a conservative, but he’s just another product off the Etonocracy production line via the Bullingdon finishing school, many who voted for him are starting to realise he’s not what they thought he was wth his well practised bluster to make you feel like you have a jolly eccentric uncle leadingthe country, a safe pair of hands with the good of the nation at heart, we may find we have gone from the frying pan and are now deep in the fire.

It is all a big panto .Blair is a convicted cottaging queen,see how that all got disappeared in his rise to fame,these elites are all linked interbred lunatics with money, A legitimate mafia . More fool us for being so brain washed and buying into it all.But what would you prefer a lawless every man for himself society or a controlled faked society?
The older generation of elites knew how to direct the minions they ran this country on intimidation punishment and fear and the propaganda etc etc,then their BBC and tv etc…
This new generation run it on political correctness and the idea that we are all equal,we are not and never will be equal,we do not all get on! Enter yet more divide and conquer.

…We are now heading into a cashless society of yet more divide and control,so you will be controlled by their banks halting any cash in hand trading limiting potential cash deals,no way of increasing your wealth unless you’re in their club .I could go on and on but it gets me riled up lol.
Brexit is yet another way of divide and conquer we have no control of this world we are not in the club.

I voted for Brexit even though i know it will be reversed by the elites some how some way.They want us all at each others throats as it keeps us out of their lives, they now know that flags create bonds between people,and those people grow strong.They hate that as it means we could start to rebel against them and their little plans to dominate us forever.

right enough waffle i am off.It is Friday the 13th enjoy it lads

[robbo99]

Make no mistake, IR35 is unenforceable on an individual basis, far too expensive for HMRC to pursue and far too complex for them to understand. So what do they do? They put the liability on the end client to determine their contractors employment status, given that HMRC’s own CEST tool is totally useless, the end client put in blanket bans on contractors as the end client will be liable for massive financial losses if they get the employment status of their contractors wrong.

In the budget HMRC have been allocated more money to tackle “tax avoidance”. So you can guarantee there will be more ambiguous legislation kicking about on some computer system, probably concocted by the Gordon Brown regime ready to be unleashed on the working man.

[peirre]

the liability on the end client, has been in place for sub contractors and previously SC60 workers for years, so widening the scope of it to other sectors is an easy way to enforce it

[robbo99]

peirre:
the liability on the end client, has been in place for sub contractors and previously SC60 workers for years, so widening the scope of it to other sectors is an easy way to enforce it

The obligation for the end client to enforce the employment status checks on their contractors becomes applicable from next month, that is how it stands at the moment.

[stanley_mitchell]

Londontrucker123:
So, the fact that Brexit finally did happen, and that now that IR35 is being implementened by the Govt. as far as the driving sector is concerned, will wages finally rise?

Brexit may not have been enough in itself to put foreigners off?, but will IR35 just kill it off for them? No more coming here, not paying car tax etc., - just keep car on foreign plates & insurance if any, hey they have better deal than me that’s for sure.

I expect no ‘spike’ in the driver shortage and resulatant wages myself. RHA can ■■■■ in the wind as far as I’m concerned.

If “they” actually planned the trucks better, and actually employed proper planners, instead of the pointy shoe wide-boys with a laptop, “they” could probably lose 5% of the truck fleet pretty quickly, and the resultant drivers…

The other fly in the ointment regarding wages, is the downward pressure on rates ATM, and the extension of customer payment terms, which seems to be the main conversation from where I`m sitting.

How do you finance wage increases from diminishing rates & longer repayments, especially as the banks don`t want to know anymore ■■?..

[sand_fisher]

Stanley Mitchell:
If “they” actually planned the trucks better, and actually employed proper planners, instead of the pointy shoe wide-boys with a laptop, “they” could probably lose 5% of the truck fleet pretty quickly, and the resultant drivers…

The other fly in the ointment regarding wages, is the downward pressure on rates ATM, and the extension of customer payment terms, which seems to be the main conversation from where I`m sitting.

How do you finance wage increases from diminishing rates & longer repayments, especially as the banks don`t want to know anymore ■■?..

Simple, you have laid down rates like er rank taxis have.

[beetlejuice]

Looking on farcebook the amount of brand new agencies popping up is hilarious.
Be very wary of who you sign up with,they all want you on UMBRELLA…

[franglais]

robbo99.:

peirre:
the liability on the end client, has been in place for sub contractors and previously SC60 workers for years, so widening the scope of it to other sectors is an easy way to enforce it

The obligation for the end client to enforce the employment status checks on their contractors becomes applicable from next month, that is how it stands at the moment.

I’m in no way defending it, but employers also need to check on right to work of immigrants, landlords on residency status of immigrants.
Any other examples of subbing out by Gov agencies?

[stanley_mitchell]

Franglais:

robbo99.:

peirre:
the liability on the end client, has been in place for sub contractors and previously SC60 workers for years, so widening the scope of it to other sectors is an easy way to enforce it

The obligation for the end client to enforce the employment status checks on their contractors becomes applicable from next month, that is how it stands at the moment.

I’m in no way defending it, but employers also need to check on right to work of immigrants, landlords on residency status of immigrants.
Any other examples of subbing out by Gov agencies?

VAT

[stanley_mitchell]

Sand Fisher:

Stanley Mitchell:
If “they” actually planned the trucks better, and actually employed proper planners, instead of the pointy shoe wide-boys with a laptop, “they” could probably lose 5% of the truck fleet pretty quickly, and the resultant drivers…

The other fly in the ointment regarding wages, is the downward pressure on rates ATM, and the extension of customer payment terms, which seems to be the main conversation from where I`m sitting.

How do you finance wage increases from diminishing rates & longer repayments, especially as the banks don`t want to know anymore ■■?..

Simple, you have laid down rates like er rank taxis have.

If only

[andrejs]

Londontrucker123:
So, the fact that Brexit finally did happen, and that now that IR35 is being implementened by the Govt. as far as the driving sector is concerned, will wages finally rise?

Brexit may not have been enough in itself to put foreigners off?, but will IR35 just kill it off for them? No more coming here, not paying car tax etc., - just keep car on foreign plates & insurance if any, hey they have better deal than me that’s for sure.

I expect no ‘spike’ in the driver shortage and resulatant wages myself. RHA can ■■■■ in the wind as far as I’m concerned.

This is problem not with Easter Euro or…More depend from global changes,online sale.Plus in Uk strong competition between retair and low price in shop.But liw price kill wages.If you go to buy fresh fruit@vegetable in Germany,Netherland that there 2-3 time expensive.Plus need reduced of discounted stores.

[stanley_mitchell]

Andrejs:

Londontrucker123:
So, the fact that Brexit finally did happen, and that now that IR35 is being implementened by the Govt. as far as the driving sector is concerned, will wages finally rise?

Brexit may not have been enough in itself to put foreigners off?, but will IR35 just kill it off for them? No more coming here, not paying car tax etc., - just keep car on foreign plates & insurance if any, hey they have better deal than me that’s for sure.

I expect no ‘spike’ in the driver shortage and resulatant wages myself. RHA can ■■■■ in the wind as far as I’m concerned.

This is problem not with Easter Euro or…More depend from global changes,online sale.Plus in Uk strong competition between retair and low price in shop.But liw price kill wages.If you go to buy fresh fruit@vegetable in Germany,Netherland that there 2-3 time expensive.Plus need reduced of discounted stores.

^^^ He is right you know