recently we have all heard about the teachers and their pay disputes,train companies holding bosses to ransom over their wage demands,and other civil servants moaning about a 1 percent wage rise[think that’s right]why is it we are allways the last to be considered for wage rises,i realise it’s not rocket science driving an hgv [mostly common sense]and I know there are drivers out there earning £35,000 to £40,000 per year but they are run ragged to earn that,but most drivers are on around £23,000 to £27,000 per year,why are we allways the last to even be considered for wage rises,i know it’s the old saying but where would all these people be without us delivering everything,let them try earning the wages we do,my brother told my niece he is on £63,000 a year as a train operator on the underground,he doesn’t even do 8 hrs for that,that’s only thanks to the late bob crow as to the wages they get
Because truck drivers work for thousands of different companies, across all corners of the country doing countless different types of work and shift patterns.
Why would ‘we’ be considered for a wage rise and by who?
You’re also forgetting that not all of us are on crap money.
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Adonis.:
Because truck drivers work for thousands of different companies, across all corners of the country doing countless different types of work and shift patterns.Why would ‘we’ be considered for a wage rise and by who?
You’re also forgetting that not all of us are on crap money.
A.
not forgetting at all,thats why I said I know there are drivers out there that are on £35,000 to £40,000 per year
So what’s the point of your rant?
A.
The trains are the last union protected industry. But that won’t last. It is golden currently though. My mate is a conductor and the money plus perks is crazy.
My concern with hgv wages and actually wages full stop is the ever increasing minimum wage. It’s going to hit £9 an hour eventually under the Tories more if Labour get in. Currently every increase has seen my wage as a supervisor go up to maintain the gap between me and my minimum wage earning catering assistants. But that’s not sustainable. At some point it’ll force redundancy as wage costs sore and business save money.
It also devalues an hgv job or similar. Assume hgv rates don’t increase my catering assistants could earn as much as a driver.
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If Brexit has taught us anything, it’s that anything and anyone “Establishment” fear Upheaval and Regime change most of all. Now sure, Regime change is not something we associate much with peacetime - but Upheaval happens if the threat of “overturning the old order of doing things” is perceived as getting closer.
Unionized work environments could be swept away on the basis of “Ditch the Union, or we shut this factory down” - but History shows that given that ultimatum as a choice - the workforce would rather be laid off en-masse rather than take some kind of deal that sidelines the Union.
You see exceptions to this when the business is owned by a foreign concern of course - but this doesn’t make anywhere near the headline impact.
Compare closing down the coal mines to closing down the steel plants for example…
The coal industry is all but gone now. The steel industry? - The union is being told to take a haircut on their pensions - or get nothing at all. This seems strange, as you’d think the Union would fight this “foreign” owner tooth and nail to make them stand up to their financial obligations re. pensions. But no.
Any “industry” that can get someone else to step into the job at the drop of a hat - is an industry that won’t be getting more than inflation-related pay increases for years to come.
If Blair’s Labour hadn’t opened the floodgates at the turn of the century to covering all regular labour with cheap imports - then, of course we would be seeing a far more militant-worker orientated way of doing things 2017 - perhaps reminiscent of the 1970’s, as some like to bandy about as “fear factor”. Those on here who remember working in the 1970’s though - was it as bad as painted out?
I can’t talk for this - I was a kid at school. I don’t recall the adults “always being out of work” like these days though. There’s good things to be said of the “Labour Exchange” I reckon.
Once Brexit is completed, and the free movement of cheap labour halted - there will be massive wage inflation in this country in those lines of work that were once flooded out with cheap labour from abroad.
People fear the upheaval though. Remainers especially of course.
It’s not “Jobs being lost” that will happen. It’s less workers about to DO those jobs. That pushes up wages, especially in those jobs that are perceived as “less glamorous” than the average youngster leaving education these days with starry-eyed dreams of being in showbusiness/sport/politics rather than production/military/civil service as it would have been our grandparent’s generation.
Kids want to be paid a lot of money for being famous rather than little money for actually making/building something.
Fearing upheaval again, our youngsters are quite happy to fight via political dirty tricks such as demonstrated by that brownshirt like outfit known as “Momentum” - but fight for their country? - Nope.
They are quite happy on benefits whilst awaiting that plum glamorous job that isn’t going to happen.
Fight for their jobs? - Nope. They are quite happy on benefits which now replace jobs and leave job-losers better off they find. I can’t afford designer outfits, latest Iphone, or to drive anything but an old banger. I don’t have the big bucks earnings to waste. A benefit claimant on pocket money plus all expenses paid though? Different world. Taking home £23k with everything laid on is better than getting £33k gross, getting nothing free, and no hand-outs. Do the math. THIS is what our young people support now. “Come and learn to drive a truck” - does NOT arouse them. Neither does anything else that doesn’t appeal directly to their own sense of vanity and inflated liberal egos.
I predict a situation in the not too distant future where employment agencies who pay the best rates AND play it straight - will start to knock out of business those shysters who lie all the time, pay substandard rates, and only supply staff to the places with the bad reputations rather than the top-dollar paying outfits who finally see the light as making use of an employment agency to cream off the very best staff from the (by now) shrinking pool. 
This establishment policy of “Let’s drag our feet long enough so that the militant workforce all die out before anything changes” cannot succeed if we all hold firm to our pension returns (Note: NOT “Entitlements”)
The last of the “Entitlement” generation are drawing their pensions now. The first of the “Reap what you sow” workforce now approach retirement.
Either a great scandal is going to break (quite possible, even likely!) where the government and large pension companies throw their hands up and admit “We’ve lost it all - sorry” like some kind of Pension industry Bernie Madoff.
–or–
We’re going to get a government in the near future that actually knows how the machine hasn’t been oiled, and knows the dodges.
The best people to charge for wasted money in government - are those wasters themselves when they come to draw their “gold plated pensions” that strangely never get defaulted for them, but the uproar when pensions outside the civil service - will be more than enough to start a proper sea change in politics between the “Establishment proper” and those who merely worked for it all these years, thinking that all financial obligations towards them would be honoured.
Watch this space.
Driverless HGVs - isn’t going to happen.
A shortage of tradespeople and semi-skilled workers WILL happen - the moment Brexit is done.
We’re not going to die out waiting… It’s coming. There will be a war one way of the other if it doesn’t now.
Civil war if our own government keeps on blocking Brexit
War in Europe if they don’t heed our cries of “Let my people go”.
No one expects war - until it happens of course.
Everyone expects Recessions, financial collapse, and job shortages - even when it DOESN’T happen though. 
Winseer, you seem very sure we’re going to get a Brexit that shuts off free movement, i hope you’re right, but the establishment are not going to allow a situation of more jobs than people, those who keep the govt afloat (no not the voters, those who own the govt/media) are going to have access to as many migrant workers as they want, for as long as they want.
As for wages, there are still good jobs about but need to be searched out, never advertised never have been never will be, and those that have them keep schtum about the whereabouts and for good reason.
Good jobs are there because the company have long term satisfied customers for their product and/or service (sometimes both) and a solid reputation, but getting many of our fellow drivers to understand that they have to do their part in servicing the customer, and making sure they are worthwhile employees, ie reliable, look after the customer, look after the kit, and don’t take the ■■■■ out of the sick pay, or the good job will vanish like so many others and be taken over by the green death barely minimum wage mob or some other cabal.
Each of us has to find our niche.
IronEddie:
The trains are the last union protected industry. But that won’t last. It is golden currently though. My mate is a conductor and the money plus perks is crazy.
Only really on the passenger side, and that’ll not last for much longer as the Govt structures franchises with more under their control. Freight (being the only truly privatised side of things) has had to become a lot more flexible and union militancy has cooled off, as many sectors are facing adapt or die scenarios - mainly due to the almost total loss of bulk coal traffic. What’s left is a very competitive market.
Juddian:
Winseer, you seem very sure we’re going to get a Brexit that shuts off free movement, i hope you’re right, but the establishment are not going to allow a situation of more jobs than people, those who keep the govt afloat (no not the voters, those who own the govt/media) are going to have access to as many migrant workers as they want, for as long as they want.As for wages, there are still good jobs about but need to be searched out, never advertised never have been never will be, and those that have them keep schtum about the whereabouts and for good reason.
Good jobs are there because the company have long term satisfied customers for their product and/or service (sometimes both) and a solid reputation, but getting many of our fellow drivers to understand that they have to do their part in servicing the customer, and making sure they are worthwhile employees, ie reliable, look after the customer, look after the kit, and don’t take the ■■■■ out of the sick pay, or the good job will vanish like so many others and be taken over by the green death barely minimum wage mob or some other cabal.
Each of us has to find our niche.
Unable to prevent further migrants from coming to Britain, it’s more likely that any future government is going to tackle the imbalance from the other end - and prevent people already here from leaving. The alternative is attempting to encourage ex-pats overseas from returning.
Why should ANY such thing happen though?
What is this cliff we keep hearing about “coming to the edge of”?
There is no rule that says “The EU must treat you like dirt, if Brexit proceeds” or even “Britain must treat migrants like Dirt, if Brexit proceeds” either.
The glue that keeps the EU together - are the entitlements NOT the jobs market. If you can still come to Britain as much as you like - but the raft of benefits previously available has ended, then guess what? Less people will WANT to come here. The fact their lifestyle came with them, rather than many of them adopting to the UK way of life is proof enough that for the most part - it is Britain’s generous benefit system that they are here for.
To achieve a downward trend in immigration then - we need to get a grip on the EU laws that say we “cannot scrap/cut benefits” for such people that have never paid in. It’s a socialist tendency in the first place after all, that we even consider giving out rafts of benefits to people that have never paid in. If you take from those without need and give to those WITH need - then guess what? - Those who produce - will go elsewhere where they are not penalized. Those who will always be “needy” will carry on “Needing” even if their lifestyle improves to the point that they should really be switching to the “giving” side of the argument. This divide is also known as the “poverty trap” of course.
We will not get control of our borders back “per se” directly. It’s change that discourages them from coming to Britain in particular that will eventually stem the tide.
That has actually already begun though. The weakened pound has exposed those immigrants that send money back abroad - as being the malcontents that their UK earnings “don’t pay for as much back home as they used to” by this point. Even among my immigrant work colleagues - some have already ditched their UK job, and gone back home again!
The trouble is, this might hold true for those immigrants WITH a job - but what of those who are getting just maxed out tax credits for pretending to work for “Uncle” who was already here to start with?
This, over time - will make things get worse before they get better alas.
The first immigrants we’ll lose - will be the working ones. The Eastern Europeans. The ones that don’t vote at all, or at least don’t vote Labour.
The very last ones we’ll lose - will be all the benefit hangers-on. The non-EU citizens. The 95% Males 18-35. We all know who I’m talking about. These people are voting Labour, have no intention of ever getting a job that will see them re-paying even for those benefits they’ve already had since here, and have no intention of integrating with the rest of us. Seen any weddings lately between UK non-muslim males and Non-EU citizen female refugees? The EE’s integrate, including with their women. The “Refugee” women do NOT - that’s assuming you can find any, too.
Dealing with such an issue Brexit then, - starts when we leave the EU courts standing. Brexit was never primarily about immigration. That was always secondary. It’s about throwing off the yoke of EU laws punishing UK citizens, EU red tape increasing system costs against our businesses, and EU blocking of anything democratic and meaningful in the name of “Reform”. Reform failed. Cameron came back empty-handed. That was it for me. It’s Brexit or Bust now.
Jobs to be lost?
I think not.
Not unless you’re a “Human Rights Advisor” or “Compliance Officer” or “Social Housing Consultant” or other such “Guardianista” style non-job. 
“Brexit was never primarily about immigration.” don’t make me laugh. That’s entirely all it was about for most people. Particularly those who believe the fiction written in the sun or mail.
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That’s such a Remainer argument though.
If Brexit were really about Immigration, then UKIP would have picked up 52% of the poll in the recent election… That they didn’t should show everyone once and for all that what people voted for on Referendum day are NOT the same issues in the same configuration as what they voted for in either the 2015 or 2017 general election.
I would argue that a lot of working class people voted for Brexit - because it represents an end to Austerity “Lite” - one that doesn’t involve the higher taxation on earners (of which we are some…) that a direct voting in of a Labour government would involve. Corbyn’s toning down of “Anti Brexit” talk has allowed Theresa May to fall past him in popularity, because with nearly a year as PM by this point - she is seen to have made no progress whatsoever on Brexit. We’re still seeing Austerity. We’re still paying Brussels. Ergo, Brexit is currently standing on the progress bar at 0% done, and the bar isn’t even moving or starting to move.
Talk means nothing. Actions speak louder than words.
Releasing that money from Brussels should be priority - if we are to end Austerity with it.
“Immigration” as the big issue of Brexit - pales into insignificance. The drop in the UKIP vote cannot all be attributed to “Nigel Farage Stepping Down” (A lot of former UKIP voters, myself included - did not vote UKIP in 2017 for this reason alone, but not the vast majority of them - they switched to Labour after all, whereas I held my nose and voted Tory this time around…)
I might even argue that pumping this notion that “Brexit is about Immigration” is an attempt of the Left to brainwash us all with the Notion of:-
“Watch my eyes. Brexit is for Racists. Voting Brexit is for Racists. You voted Brexit last time because - you’re not a racist? - Turn again Whittington - and vote AGAINST Brexit in the future then! Look into my eyes…”
Juddian:
Winseer, you seem very sure we’re going to get a Brexit that shuts off free movement, i hope you’re right, but the establishment are not going to allow a situation of more jobs than people, those who keep the govt afloat (no not the voters, those who own the govt/media) are going to have access to as many migrant workers as they want, for as long as they want.As for wages, there are still good jobs about but need to be searched out, never advertised never have been never will be, and those that have them keep schtum about the whereabouts and for good reason.
Good jobs are there because the company have long term satisfied customers for their product and/or service (sometimes both) and a solid reputation, but getting many of our fellow drivers to understand that they have to do their part in servicing the customer, and making sure they are worthwhile employees, ie reliable, look after the customer, look after the kit, and don’t take the ■■■■ out of the sick pay, or the good job will vanish like so many others and be taken over by the green death barely minimum wage mob or some other cabal.
Each of us has to find our niche.
Unable to prevent further migrants from coming to Britain, I feel it’s more likely that any future government is going to tackle the imbalance from the other end - and prevent people already here from leaving. Perhaps attempting to encourage ex-pats overseas from returning at the same time.
Why should ANY such thing happen though?
What is this cliff we keep hearing about “coming to the edge of”?
There is no rule that says “The EU must treat Ex-pats like dirt, if Brexit proceeds” or even “Britain must treat migrants like Dirt, if Brexit proceeds” either.
The glue that keeps the EU together - are the “entitlements” NOT the jobs market. If you can still come to Britain as much as you like - but the raft of benefits previously available has ended, then guess what? Less people will WANT to come here. The fact their lifestyle came with them, rather than many of them adopting to the UK way of life is proof enough that for the most part - it is Britain’s generous benefit system that they are here for.
To achieve a downward trend in immigration then - we need to get a grip on the EU laws that say we “cannot scrap/cut benefits” for such people that have never paid in. It’s a socialist tendency in the first place after all, that we even consider giving out rafts of benefits to people that have never paid in. If you take from those without need and give to those WITH need - then guess what? - Those who produce rather than net take - will go elsewhere where they are not penalized. Those who will always be “needy” will carry on “Needing” even if their lifestyle improves to the point that they should really be switching to the “giving” side of the argument. This divide is also known as the “poverty trap” of course.
We will not get control of our borders back “per se” directly. It’s change that discourages them from coming to Britain in particular that will eventually stem the tide.
That has actually already begun though. The weakened pound has exposed those immigrants that send money back abroad - as being the malcontents that their UK earnings “don’t pay for as much back home as they used to” by this point. Even among my immigrant work colleagues - some have already ditched their UK job, and gone back home again!
The trouble is, this might hold true for those immigrants WITH a job - but what of those who are getting just maxed out tax credits for pretending to work for “Uncle” who was already here to start with?
This, over time - will make things get worse before they get better alas.
The first immigrants we’ll lose - will be the working ones. The Eastern Europeans. The ones that don’t vote at all, or at least don’t vote Labour.
The very last ones we’ll lose - will be all the benefit hangers-on. The non-EU citizens. The 95% Males 18-35. We all know who I’m talking about. These people are voting Labour, have no intention of ever getting a job that will see them re-paying even for those benefits they’ve already had since here, and have no intention of integrating with the rest of us, even when they argue they are “running away from some harsh regime”. No attempt at making Apostasy from their “Religion” has been considered because of the “Social Rights” implications of being within EU “Human Rights” laws that we really need to ditch if we’re to make some new progressive laws of our own. Has anyone seen any weddings lately between UK non-Muslim males and Non-EU citizen female refugees? The EE’s integrate, including with their women. You may even be dating or already married to such EE female. The “Refugee” women do NOT either bring their females with them, or let us infidels date let alone marry them. That’s assuming you can find any, too.
Dealing with such a flavour of Brexit then, - starts when we leave the EU courts standing. Brexit was never primarily about immigration. I’ll say it again. That was always secondary, or maybe even further down the list than anyone yet realizes. It’s about throwing off the yoke of EU laws punishing UK citizens, EU red tape increasing system costs against our businesses, and EU blocking of anything democratic and meaningful in the name of “Reform”.
Reform failed.
Cameron came back empty-handed.
That was it for me. It’s Brexit or Bust now.
Jobs to be lost?
I think not.
Not unless you’re a “Human Rights Advisor” or “Compliance Officer” or “Social Housing Consultant” or other such “Guardianista” style non-job.
In the past I’ve seen members of this forum say (and get mighty ■■■■■■ off when anyone disagrees) that truck driving is no more than manual Labour, that it’s an unskilled job, that anyone can do it and that it’s the bottom of the rung. They argue their point non stop and go out of their way to try to prove it
With people who think like that doing the job, why on earth would anyone think we deserve better than minimum wage?
Drivers are their own worst enemies
The-Snowman:
In the past I’ve seen members of this forum say (and get mighty ■■■■■■ off when anyone disagrees) that truck driving is no more than manual Labour, that it’s an unskilled job, that anyone can do it and that it’s the bottom of the rung. They argue their point non stop and go out of their way to try to prove it
With people who think like that doing the job, why on earth would anyone think we deserve better than minimum wage?
Drivers are their own worst enemies
In my driving career I’ve met everyone from illiterates with minor learning difficulties to a Phd math genius, a chap with 2x prosthetic legs & an ex olympic competitor, a lady who took 6 attempts at her LCV C+E & numerous ex-school teachers. Several who claim to be ex SAS but literally 100’s of bona fide ex-armed forces. People as young as 19 & as old as 72.
So it’s hard for anyone to claim it takes a certain skill or talent to drive a lorry. Anyone can become a lorry driver.
The transport industries wages are defined by the laws of economics, namely the law of ‘supply & demand’. The only thing you could ever get 2x drivers to agree to is that there has never been a shortage of drivers. If the wages were regulated either by the unions or the guvmint then more people would jump on board, likewise if there were a shortage of well paid & rewarding jobs then experienced drivers would be leaving in droves.
If you are an experienced driver & do not have a well paid & rewarding job then you have my pity. Try taxi driving.
Winseer:
That’s such a Remainer argument though.
If Brexit were really about Immigration, then UKIP would have picked up 52% of the poll in the recent election… That they didn’t should show everyone once and for all that what people voted for on Referendum day are NOT the same issues in the same configuration as what they voted for in either the 2015 or 2017 general election.I would argue that a lot of working class people voted for Brexit - because it represents an end to Austerity “Lite” - one that doesn’t involve the higher taxation on earners (of which we are some…) that a direct voting in of a Labour government would involve. Corbyn’s toning down of “Anti Brexit” talk has allowed Theresa May to fall past him in popularity, because with nearly a year as PM by this point - she is seen to have made no progress whatsoever on Brexit. We’re still seeing Austerity. We’re still paying Brussels. Ergo, Brexit is currently standing on the progress bar at 0% done, and the bar isn’t even moving or starting to move.
Talk means nothing. Actions speak louder than words.
Releasing that money from Brussels should be priority - if we are to end Austerity with it.
“Immigration” as the big issue of Brexit - pales into insignificance. The drop in the UKIP vote cannot all be attributed to “Nigel Farage Stepping Down” (A lot of former UKIP voters, myself included - did not vote UKIP in 2017 for this reason alone, but not the vast majority of them - they switched to Labour after all, whereas I held my nose and voted Tory this time around…)
I might even argue that pumping this notion that “Brexit is about Immigration” is an attempt of the Left to brainwash us all with the Notion of:-
“Watch my eyes. Brexit is for Racists. Voting Brexit is for Racists. You voted Brexit last time because - you’re not a racist? - Turn again Whittington - and vote AGAINST Brexit in the future then! Look into my eyes…”
UKIP fell apart because they achieved their purpose in getting brexit. And because farage left. I would think a lot of ukip supporters went back to voting tory in the last GE not just yourself.
You’re right the issues in the last election are not the same as the one before or the brexit referendum.
I did vote remain. But quickly realised during the election campaign that it mattered far less to me than other issues.
But the brexit campaign was about immigration. It was all talk on closing borders. Remember that poster ukip had of the immigrants lining up to come here? And Mays position on hard brexit is still about immigration. She’d sooner see no free movement of people even if it means no ties the free trade system with the EU.
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‘’ And Mays position on hard brexit is still about immigration. She’d sooner see no free movement of people even if it means no ties the free trade system with the EU.‘’
Is this the same utterly pointless May who as Home Secretary presided over the highest immigration figures year on year ever recorded.
Speaking of recorded, that just about sums Android May, the second tory PM by accident, up, about as passionate as the speaking clock.
If the Tories ever manage to find that missing patriotic backbone they might once have had when Triumph Mayflowers were current, they’ll sack her off soon as the Brexit deal is done, and during the intervening years promote Jacob Rees-Mogg to the Cabinet, with a view to going into the next election with JRM as leader.
We’ve had 2%+ pay rises in the26 years of trading, sometimes over 3%, every year apart from 2009, which was pretty horrendous.
My lads earn over 40k, the weekly hours are long, but half of them are spent doing not a lot, either on a ferry or a standby day, or part of a double man crew on a ten hour day. It’s certainly not such hard work as stuffing containers, or driving a van (I know, sacrilege), for 20 hours a day. And that’s not just my perception, that’s what they say.
I do however think that most hgv jobs are paid poorly and multi drop on a class 2 would be a mare of a job.
IronEddie:
Winseer:
That’s such a Remainer argument though.
If Brexit were really about Immigration, then UKIP would have picked up 52% of the poll in the recent election… That they didn’t should show everyone once and for all that what people voted for on Referendum day are NOT the same issues in the same configuration as what they voted for in either the 2015 or 2017 general election.I would argue that a lot of working class people voted for Brexit - because it represents an end to Austerity “Lite” - one that doesn’t involve the higher taxation on earners (of which we are some…) that a direct voting in of a Labour government would involve. Corbyn’s toning down of “Anti Brexit” talk has allowed Theresa May to fall past him in popularity, because with nearly a year as PM by this point - she is seen to have made no progress whatsoever on Brexit. We’re still seeing Austerity. We’re still paying Brussels. Ergo, Brexit is currently standing on the progress bar at 0% done, and the bar isn’t even moving or starting to move.
Talk means nothing. Actions speak louder than words.
Releasing that money from Brussels should be priority - if we are to end Austerity with it.
“Immigration” as the big issue of Brexit - pales into insignificance. The drop in the UKIP vote cannot all be attributed to “Nigel Farage Stepping Down” (A lot of former UKIP voters, myself included - did not vote UKIP in 2017 for this reason alone, but not the vast majority of them - they switched to Labour after all, whereas I held my nose and voted Tory this time around…)
I might even argue that pumping this notion that “Brexit is about Immigration” is an attempt of the Left to brainwash us all with the Notion of:-
“Watch my eyes. Brexit is for Racists. Voting Brexit is for Racists. You voted Brexit last time because - you’re not a racist? - Turn again Whittington - and vote AGAINST Brexit in the future then! Look into my eyes…”
UKIP fell apart because they achieved their purpose in getting brexit. And because farage left. I would think a lot of ukip supporters went back to voting tory in the last GE not just yourself.
You’re right the issues in the last election are not the same as the one before or the brexit referendum.
I did vote remain. But quickly realised during the election campaign that it mattered far less to me than other issues.
But the brexit campaign was about immigration. It was all talk on closing borders. Remember that poster ukip had of the immigrants lining up to come here? And Mays position on hard brexit is still about immigration. She’d sooner see no free movement of people even if it means no ties the free trade system with the EU.
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Mrs May was a remainer and somewhat unusually for a politician, she has made it crystal clear she intends to see the will of the people respected on this issue despite having an opposing view. Hard/soft brexit are just meaningless jargon. I’m not against controlled immigration from non muslim neighbourhoods, they’ve blotted their copy book with me. I believe the biggest issue facing our Western culture comes from militant islam and its supporters. To that end I feel it’s absolutely vital we have complete control over our borders and justice system to deal with the threat from militant muslims.
The wages will never rise, as long as the consumer (US, me and you and everybody else!!!) want their product cheaper and cheaper.
We don’t want to pay "delivery and package " for our internet orders, but we dig until we find the cheapest product.
Do you think if tomorrow one of the big supermarkets stand up and says: "We only use British top drivers, we supply proper training, pay top dollar (above £15,00 per hour basic for days) 40 hours guaranteed, final salary pension, 100 % sick pay, top trucks and top facilities, BUT YOU NEED TO BUY OUR PRODUCTS FOR A 30% PREMIUM AGAINST OUR COMPETITORS!
How many of the people on here would shop there? How many would drag their family to shop there!!!
I know the answer: NOBODY!!!, none of us, nada nothing, because we want it cheap!
That is the root of the problem!
There is only money in specialist and niche markets, the rest is a race to the bottom.
And only WE can change that, no Brexit, torries, labour, EEG, Brussels, USA or the commonwealth, only you and me can change that, that is why it will never change!!!
as I said before in a previous post haulage bosses are allways saying they can’t afford to give drivers a wage rise every year,yet every day they go home to their £500,000 to £1 million pound + houses in their top of the range cars and yet they can’t give drivers a wage rise,i realise it takes hard work to run a haulage company and if you get it right the rewards are there for the bosses,but it’s the age old argument,if it wasn’t for drivers they wouldn’t have a company[and yes I do know it works both ways]but if a company is successful then drivers should be rewarded with wage rises every year or two but bosses are allways bleating they can’t afford to give rises