If You Could Vote Again (Brexit)

Winseer:
There won’t be much support for any “call to arms” should Russia turn on Turkey, or “Invade” the rest of Ukraine (it was theirs to start with…)

Perhaps we should HURRY UP with Brexit now - before we get roped into this war that Theresa May seems to want to put us in the front line of - before we even start! :frowning:

Ironically the EU and NATO seems to be trying to corner Russia into a reactive position in that regard rather than Russia making any serious pre emptive moves towards the west and ‘that’ will probably be Putin’s line in the sand and final straw if NATO’s militarisation of his old East European buffers isn’t already.Which is all part of America’s stupid policy in moving away from a defence policy based on MAD to one based on ‘containment’.Which ironically actually makes it a far more dangerous and unstable situation than we faced in the Cold War.

On that note the more likely situation is that it will be the EU and NATO that rolls into Ukraine first as part of yet more EU/NATO eastward expansion and not Russia invading the place.With the whole plan of false flag operations and/or deliberately setting us up for inter factional internal Russian power struggles and/or warnings in our own back yard,by inviting them in,all being part of a softening up process for that eventual catastrophic move.

While assuming that it’s also a NATO agenda not just EU we’re effectively stuck with such stupidity at least so long as the US intends to put Europe at more risk of conventional/tactical war with Russia.To reduce the perceived risk of the US being hit in a good old fashioned Strategic Cold War of deterrents,checks and balances,and most importantly compromise to maintain the peace.In which case so long as our ‘independent’ nuclear deterrent is obviously anything but then the best bet for us would be to not only ditch the EU but also NATO and tell the US that we’re no longer prepared to be a sacrificial patsy to make Americans feel safer at home.Nor are we prepared to go along with the stupid tactic of containment up to Russia’s borders as part of that.When what’s needed is to make the East Euro buffer states a DMZ with clearly stated no EU moves on Ukraine as part of that.We also then kick the Russians out of our country and vice versa as part of that effective declaration of neutrality.Bearing in mind that they’ve got no need to ‘spy’ on us nor do we need or intend to ‘spy’ on them.

On that note the only thing that would have made me feel safer in this case would have been that and for Putin’s veiled but obvious nuclear threats to have been met head on with a bigger threat along the lines of we ( the US and UK ) have nukes too and we’re ready to use them if needed,just as Trump met those of fat rocket man’s.At which point you can bet the US and our European ‘allies’ would have shown their true colours.

While the fact that May and the US government chose a typical stance of weakness in that regard and instead went crying to our European ‘allies’ for ‘help’,having knowingly invited the so called ‘threat in’,says it all.IE just another false flag set up as part of the softening up exercise for an eventual,potential,catastrophic,needless,fight with the Russians,on Russia’s terms,as part of an EU vanity exercise and a US-Russian proxy fight.All based on the US intention that any modern day fight with Russia would be limited to European turf and settled one way or another before America gets hit directly.