I’ve posted my postal vote. i voted Labour but only after Jeremy refuted the accusation that he would not maintain out nuclear deterrent. I might have voted Liberal to support their pro Europe re run of the Brexit referendum. I was tempted by Labours pro re-nationalization of railways and Royal Mail but it set me wondering about re re re nationalization of road transport. It was before my time (1948) and it seems absurd in modern context but maybe it would fit in with the way the industry is going… everything automated, regulated and autonomous…
Why not, anything would be better than the system we have now.
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It wouldn’t be all of us though would it? General hauliers and maybe tankers like the old days but I can’t see there being a British Road Services (Tipper Grab Western Region).
I do like the idea of nationalising utilities, public transport etc. The countys’ water should be owned the people not some foreign company.
Nationalisation isn’t the answer, we need proper regulation of the private industry
Two words. Diane Abbot. 
OVLOV JAY:
Nationalisation isn’t the answer, we need proper regulation of the private industry
That ^^^ and a proper overhaul of the rules instead of adding and taking away bits and being left with a mess.
Nationalisation didn’t work the first time, it wouldn’t work again, primarily because of the variables in haulage. On the other heand Jezza, if you want to buy me out and give me a wodge of money 
Nationalisation is the logical progression from protectionism.While the reason it didn’t work before is because Nationalisation can’t work within an environment of free markets.
While if you think that Corbyn is all about protectionism you’ll be badly disappointed.That would take a Nationalist Labour Party not a Socialist one.On that note it’s ironic that Socialists would be preaching the,by definition, ‘Nationalist’ idea of ‘Nationalisation’,when they don’t believe in the idea of the ‘Nation’ State.
As for not accepting the EU referendum vote no surprise that Socialists don’t do democracy. 
if the puppet gets in then were all down the swanny, it will be tax rises, n i rises, more borrowing, more insecurity, more strikes, more immigrants, less wages, would have been better voting for the raving monster loony party
scotstrucker:
if the puppet gets in then were all down the swanny, it will be tax rises, n i rises, more borrowing, more insecurity, more strikes, more immigrants, less wages, would have been better voting for the raving monster loony party
Labour has become The Monster Raving Loony Party!
TiredAndEmotional:
scotstrucker:
if the puppet gets in then were all down the swanny, it will be tax rises, n i rises, more borrowing, more insecurity, more strikes, more immigrants, less wages, would have been better voting for the raving monster loony partyLabour has become The Monster Raving Loony Party!
To be fair voting for the LabLibDemConSNP establishment in general is the same as voting for the MRL’s.Whether it’s the Labour vote still not being able to get its head around the difference between Socialist v Nationalist ( when we need the latter not the former ),or the realisation that the Lib Dems and SNP are anything but Democrats and Nationalists respectively.Or the sheep Con vote not asking the question as to why did May call a needless election,in which she’ll quite possibly lose her majority at least,to supposedly create a mandate for supposed Brexit,when we supposedly had a referendum to do that.Oh wait if she loses her majority the Cons will be able to U turn on Brexit thereby both appeasing their own remain vote with the win win of being able to blame their Lab/LibDem/SNP ‘opposition’ ( allies ).Bearing in mind May’s remain credentials. 
I have no political alleigance to any party I do my homework for myself and vote for the man/woman who I think will do the best job.
The Labour party is a joke in its present guise, hi-jacked by the blarites and now controlled by the loony left, I remember the massive inflation the 3 day week the power cuts and endless strikes, the policies Corbyn promotes will put us back to the 70’s.
Where does he think the money for nationalisation is coming from, the many millions it will cost to compensate the shareholders, remember British Leyland the NCB the steel industry a bloody shambles the lot of it, remember in 1976 being bailed out by the IMF to the tune of £9.3 billion the biggest loan ever given that was a Labour government, how anyone could contemplate voting for them scares me.
The saddest part of it is that in certain parts of the country South Wales in particular and many other post industrial areas of the north of England where Labour have failed the working man on a biblical scale you you could put a red rosette on bloody bubbles the chimp and he would get the job.
Dont listen to the man down the pub do you’re own research its all out there, and make a balanced and rational decision Corbyn is a Clown who I wouldn’t trust to run a bath.
It really doesn’t matter who you vote for this time, we’re buggered anyway.
In a couple of years, possibly three, we’ll have a financial catastrophe that is going to be nasty, they all know it and one of the reasons (along with not wanting to go through with Brexit) why the tories are trying their best to lose this election or lose by enough that they can have a coalition again and someone else to blame when it all goes ■■■■ up.
You can only print so much money out of thin air, interest rates have to rise before the national debt races past £2trillion (£2000 billion 
), and once that happens the economy (based on ever increasing house prices, building, immigration, all tied at the hip) is bollocksed.
No bugger wants to be the one holding the baby when this next one comes, with a country infiltrated by fifth columnists , who knows WTF they’ll get up to when the crap hits the fan.
Note how Cameron and Osborne have done sharp exits, just like Blair sodding off leaving dumbo on his jack just as the walls came crashing down.
My vote will be for none of the above, unless the BNP are going to ■■■■ £500 up the wall and stand a genuine patriot who can’t be bought.
Juddian:
It really doesn’t matter who you vote for this time, we’re buggered anyway.In a couple of years, possibly three, we’ll have a financial catastrophe that is going to be nasty, they all know it and one of the reasons (along with not wanting to go through with Brexit) why the tories are trying their best to lose this election or lose by enough that they can have a coalition again and someone else to blame when it all goes ■■■■ up.
You can only print so much money out of thin air, interest rates have to rise before the national debt races past £2trillion (£2000 billion
No bugger wants to be the one holding the baby when this next one comes, with a country infiltrated by fifth columnists
Note how Cameron and Osborne have done sharp exits, just like Blair sodding off leaving dumbo on his jack just as the walls came crashing down.My vote will be for none of the above, unless the BNP are going to ■■■■ £500 up the wall and stand a genuine patriot who can’t be bought.
Spot on.
And to be honest, as one of the under 40’s left behind by Lucifer Blair and his boom economics, I can’t wait for the long overdue housing crash. And if it’s as severe as previous ones, I’d like to see regulations brought in to control the costs going forward. We need to get back to the pre new labour outlook of a home being a right and not a privilege for the wealthy to feather their retirement nests.
There is only one way to vote this time and it is Conservative, the best of a bad lot IMHO but it is the ■■■■■■■ politicians that run the country unfortunately, well they give that impression anyway 
It’s OK for some of you’s guys but that ■■■■■■■ ■■■■■■ Farron is my MP and we are going to have a hell of a job to get the ■■■■ out but our Conservative candidate is a local farmer so we may have a chance this time around 
Cheers Bewick. PS Which of us would for Carryfast if he stood ?
Bewick:
There is only one way to vote this time and it is Conservative, the best of a bad lot IMHO but it is the [zb] politicians that run the country unfortunately, well they give that impression anyway
I still don’t get what’s wrong with voting UKIP.It’s obvious that May is all about U turning on Brexit and using the obviously increased Lab/LibDem/SNP vote to do it and to cover it.In addition to when,like Heath’s and Major’s and Cameron’s rabble,they’re not trying to sell out the country to bleedin Juncker and Merkel,they are then trying to nick the hard earned private property of anyone unlucky enough to need long or even medium term care.The fact is the Cons are no less unelectable than Corbyn or Farron and the sheep like Con vote will get what it deserves if they vote for her.
While nothing else explains why she stalled Brexit and then called a needless election,to supposedly create a so called ‘mandate’ for it,when she already had that in the form of the referendum vote.She’s a liar just just like Thatcher and her whole rotten zb pile Party was.While if people like Davis are as Eurosceptic as they say they are then UKIP would be their obvious home not the Party that took us into the scam and is now trying to use one of the biggest deceptions, since Chamberlain cleverly fooled Hitler,to do it.The difference being that Chamberlain did it to stop us being taken over by a European superstate as opposed to helping them do it. 
The problem with voting ukip is they are pulling themselves apart. They had a joint cause of leaving the eu. This was cementing a party with views from far left to far right. Now Brexit is in process, the party can’t decide which way to turn. Every vote for ukip is one more vote towards a hung parliament and all the fears of 2015 being realised, albeit with a much more dangerous man at the helm
OVLOV JAY:
The problem with voting ukip is they are pulling themselves apart. They had a joint cause of leaving the eu. This was cementing a party with views from far left to far right. Now Brexit is in process, the party can’t decide which way to turn. Every vote for ukip is one more vote towards a hung parliament and all the fears of 2015 being realised, albeit with a much more dangerous man at the helm
How is Brexit ‘in process’ when all we’ve got is article 50 having been delivered and no other progress to show for a year since the referendum.All conveniently left open for U turning or at best turning the hard Brexit manifesto promise into soft Brexit.In addition to the question why did May call a needless election instead of implementing and delivering Brexit well within the life of the majority administration she had.
Which leaves the question what’s wrong with a Con minority government with UKIP holding the balance in co alition similar to the previous Con/LibDem coalition.On that note why have the Cons refused to withdraw their candidates in the strongest Brexit constituencies in East Anglia for example.
The truth is May can’t be trusted and the ideologically remain Cons have more in common with their remain LibDem/SNP/Lab ‘opposition’ who they’d rather see holding the balance than UKIP. Let alone the other issues like immigration policy,border protection,concreting over the South East,and the theft of people’s private property to pay for care costs.In view of which how can a Con majority possibly be a better option for the country than a Con minority and UKIP coalition.Bearing in mind that even on its worse day UKIP beats the Cons easily on all those issues in addition to a better chance of making sure that May delivers on Brexit.
Carryfast:
OVLOV JAY:
The problem with voting ukip is they are pulling themselves apart. They had a joint cause of leaving the eu. This was cementing a party with views from far left to far right. Now Brexit is in process, the party can’t decide which way to turn. Every vote for ukip is one more vote towards a hung parliament and all the fears of 2015 being realised, albeit with a much more dangerous man at the helmHow is Brexit ‘in process’ when all we’ve got is article 50 having been delivered and no other progress to show for a year since the referendum.All conveniently left open for U turning or at best turning the hard Brexit manifesto promise into soft Brexit.In addition to the question why did May call a needless election instead of implementing and delivering Brexit well within the life of the majority administration she had.
Which leaves the question what’s wrong with a Con minority government with UKIP holding the balance in co alition similar to the previous Con/LibDem coalition.On that note why have the Cons refused to withdraw their candidates in the strongest Brexit constituencies in East Anglia for example.
The truth is May can’t be trusted and the ideologically remain Cons have more in common with their remain LibDem/SNP/Lab ‘opposition’ who they’d rather see holding the balance than UKIP.
Firstly, what would you like to see as a mark of progress then? As I see it, the process of leaving the eu is started by triggering article 50, followed by a two year notice period. In that definition, it’s in process. The funny thing is they decided to delay negotiations by 3 months to allow for the general election, which makes a hypocritical mockery of all the reasons given for not triggering article 50 the day after the referendum last year.
As for a con/ukip coalition, it’ll never happen as they’re both targeting the same voters. Ukip just won’t pull any votes from Labour or the lib dems. I hate to say it, but I think Labour are going to win on Thursday, as there’s nothing more pig headed than a blinkered Labour voter, and I can see the liberals nicking enough Tory remainers to weaken their position. That’s why, I feel using my head and not my heart, a vote for ukip on Thursday is a backhanded vote for Labour. And this country is in real trouble if Corbyn gets into number 10
OVLOV JAY:
Carryfast:
OVLOV JAY:
The problem with voting ukip is they are pulling themselves apart. They had a joint cause of leaving the eu. This was cementing a party with views from far left to far right. Now Brexit is in process, the party can’t decide which way to turn. Every vote for ukip is one more vote towards a hung parliament and all the fears of 2015 being realised, albeit with a much more dangerous man at the helmHow is Brexit ‘in process’ when all we’ve got is article 50 having been delivered and no other progress to show for a year since the referendum.All conveniently left open for U turning or at best turning the hard Brexit manifesto promise into soft Brexit.In addition to the question why did May call a needless election instead of implementing and delivering Brexit well within the life of the majority administration she had.
Which leaves the question what’s wrong with a Con minority government with UKIP holding the balance in co alition similar to the previous Con/LibDem coalition.On that note why have the Cons refused to withdraw their candidates in the strongest Brexit constituencies in East Anglia for example.
The truth is May can’t be trusted and the ideologically remain Cons have more in common with their remain LibDem/SNP/Lab ‘opposition’ who they’d rather see holding the balance than UKIP.
Firstly, what would you like to see as a mark of progress then? As I see it, the process of leaving the eu is started by triggering article 50, followed by a two year notice period. In that definition, it’s in process. The funny thing is they decided to delay negotiations by 3 months to allow for the general election, which makes a hypocritical mockery of all the reasons given for not triggering article 50 the day after the referendum last year.
As for a con/ukip coalition, it’ll never happen as they’re both targeting the same voters. Ukip just won’t pull any votes from Labour or the lib dems. I hate to say it, but I think Labour are going to win on Thursday, as there’s nothing more pig headed than a blinkered Labour voter, and I can see the liberals nicking enough Tory remainers to weaken their position. That’s why, I feel using my head and not my heart, a vote for ukip on Thursday is a backhanded vote for Labour. And this country is in real trouble if Corbyn gets into number 10
I think you’ve actually agreed yourself that ‘progress’ on Brexit would have been May at least triggering article 50 when she took over from Cameron with the letter clearly ruling out soft Brexit.With that process now well under way by now.In which case shes deliberately stalled Brexit by at least a year not just a few months.
As for the supposed risk of undermining a Con majority,in favour of Labour,in an attempt to get UKIP into a position of power like the LibDems held over the Cons previously,that’s a risk we have to take for the sake of the country.With,as Terryt rightly says,there being nothing to lose in the case of trusting May to deliver on anything other than her own immigration appeasement and remain Con agenda.While ironically if only Labour changed its stance to one of hard Brexit not soft Brexit and got a grip on the immigration issue I actually think that Labour might even then be the lesser of two evils v May’s Cons.
Having said that how does replacing Con MP’s with UKIP ones supposedly help Labour as opposed to what’s needed in keeping May honest and putting a block on the Cons worst self destructive tendencies ?.While bearing in mind your obvious probably well founded fears why would May have chosen to put her administration in this predictable situation.Rather than stay where she was and get on with delivering the referendum vote mandate that she’d been given ■■.No prizes for guessing the only possible logical answer to that bearing in mind the impossibility of a committed remainer supposedly turning leaver.