Then there was the little girl that was killed on the footpath outside of her front gate.
But when all said and done, there’s just no excuse for getting up the inside of an hgv when it’s turning left.
The idea of giving way to a cyclist coming up on your nearside is great… If you can see them. Cyclists are small, and blindspots are large, so until they manage to make see through lorries that carry see through cargo, is it not in the cyclists’ best interests to hang back if he or she wishes to avoid ending up on the slab?
roaduser66:
Sometimes I think that if drivers realised that cyclists and drivers are the same people and stopped relying on retarded thinking to demonise and dehumanise anyone who gets on a bike there’d be fewer collisions…
Yet More Absolute Nonsense…
Unless they left their brain and their copy of the HWC at home on the table with the car keys after doping up on aggression.
Of course we are mostly talking about a small but vocal minorty of aggressive cyclists who are horrible to all road users but especially other orcdinary cyclists.
They think nothing of frequently cutting up normal cyclists which they view as inferior just because they are much slower. They scream abuse at them for stoping in front at red lights or stopping by the kerb behind a truck just because it impedes on their own illegal high speed progress.
Just like those agressive in lycra idiots some car drivers also love to push things to the limit occasionally either to test themselves or just for the thrill which is illegal on public roads and will lead to suspensions and bans so the drivers very sensibly go do it at track days instead .
So simply hold this minority of law breaking cyclists fully to account under the law with fines and bans and they will soon fit in with the rest of the orderly road using community at great cost and aggro savings to us all.
For adrenaline kicks and cardio training you and your cycling ilk should save it for the track day too and not our inner city streets especially as you sound so tightly wound you might soon take on a super single too many and we don’t want to upset the shy but brilliant Diesel Dog with such distressing news.
I would also recommend you slow down on the nasty rhetoric as you are letting down team cycling very badly which otherwise has made some good points here.
Hurryup&wait:
Just like those agressive in lycra idiots some car drivers also love to push things to the limit occasionally either to test themselves or just for the thrill which is illegal on public roads and will lead to suspensions and bans so the drivers very sensibly go do it at track days instead .Whilst I agree that any road using group has a few bad apples, I’m not entirely convinced that car users take their cars to a track! Every single lorry driver on here will have stories to tell about race car wannabees who (nearly) binned their car whilst trying to drive like Lewis Hamilton.
For adrenaline kicks and cardio training you and your cycling ilk should save it for the track day too and not our streets especially as you sound like you are about to take on a super single too many very soon we don’t want to upset the shy but brilliant Diesel Dog with such distressing news.
So long as the rules of the road are followed, why should they? Not following the rules of the road is a seperate issue altogether.
I would also suggest that you slow down on the nasty rhetoric as you are letting down team cycling very badly which otherwise has made some good points here.
There are some very vociferous cyclists at the moment, and in my opinion, they are shouting the wrong thing.
the maoster:
Arborist:
What a load of rubbish.I am a sponsored rider for my local shop and compete at a high level (elite) and I ride too work. Cyclists first off should have no more rights then a car/lorry/whatever at a junction. Also idiot cyclists who run up the left hand side of trucks are just idiots, whenever I am behind a truck at traffic I sit there staring at his/hers mirrors until they notice me and I always stay in view of the mirrors.
Second riding without helmets is a big bone of contention in bike world, I along with my team mates want it to be made law. I think riding without is irresponsible and slower!
Now then passing distances. I am fine if a lorry or a car wants too pass me slowly but quite close I.e. Less then a metre, however if you pass me at 50+ yes I want a metre and a half because we get sucked into the vehicle…
Riding in the middle of the road is dumb unless there is a good reason like big pot holes etc, I want my space but I also don’t want to hinder anyone either. Some people get annoyed when two abreast, it is legal first off but it should only be done on quiet roads and let cars/trucks pass when needed. On larger roads single file 90% of the time unless it’s really quiet.+1
Also people who say things about tax and insurance. Road tax was abolished there is only VED (vehicle excersise duty) which is for emissions, so that’s a mute point. On insurance I am insured and I think some degree of insurance when riding on the road is acceptable
Long post but both sides can ultimately be arses and I often see stupid cyclists playing with fire and what really winds me up it’s always the drivers fault which it is not
Great post. Now if only the idiots on BOTH sides of the divide thought along your lines then we would all coexist much better.
Just a pity that mouth on a stick Roaduser doesn’t share your views.
Roaduser is showing us once again that he is a constnt lurker on this site just itching to throw his weight about. He is as usual off on a high horse rant about drivers and quoting the highway code.
In the past, as we all know, he is also surprisingly unwilling to comment on cyclists who ignore the highway code, or instead deems it not important because of a low % of incidents. Like that makes a difference
gov.uk/guidance/the-highway … s-59-to-82
So since hes so demanding of examples, heres a few
Rule 60 -
youtube.com/watch?v=AAzaRe_qVkg
Rule 64 -
youtube.com/watch?v=swngyG-lrMQ This guy didnt even stop and only handed himself in days later after the video went viral. Very lucky not to kill someone
Rule 67 -
youtube.com/watch?v=QC_I3LdsABY
Rule 68 -
youtube.com/watch?v=wcv_tbaC2J4
Rule 69 -
youtube.com/watch?v=wcv_tbaC2J4 How these idiots managed not to seriously injure someone is amazing
Rule 71 -
youtube.com/watch?v=wcv_tbaC2J4
All examples of incidents where cyclists made a clear, concious decision to ignore the highway code and rules of the road because they didnt want to. If you want to play the “heres the rules of the highway code” game, well its a two way street pal. Any of these incidents above (and there are plenty more examples) could just have easily resulted in someones death. Especially the toddler. Youlike to keep bringing up how many deaths per year and all the statistics. It doesnt matter. ONE is too many. Lots of videos of rule breaking cyclists are uploaded by other cyclists. They, like the rest of us, are sick of cyclists who do as they please and scream blue murder if anyone dares to question them. They, like me, can see the biggest problem with the way some drivers behave towards cyclists. The ones like you who actually think the rules dont apply unless it suits you and act like you own the place are causing friction. Till cyclists like you stop blaming everyone else and demanding everybody else is more careful while ■■■ pooing anyones suggestion to make you more accountable then nothing will change.
Incidentally, does the fact that a cycling big wig came on here after your last rant and totally distance himself from you not register? Thephrase “I can catagorically state roaduser66 does NOT speak for us and we do NOT agree with anything he was saying” springs to mind. Even the cycling community dont agree with the bile you spout. Surely there must come a time when you think “Hmmm maybe its ME whos in the wrong?”
That rule 182
cyclists, motorcyclists and other road users in particular maybe hidden from your view
Er, if they’re hidden from your view what good is checking? If you could see them when checking then they’re not hidden are they? You can’t see them, they’re in one of the blind spots. What are you meant to do, get out and look?
Road user, care to comment directly upon this point? Let me get this clear. You are pushing for actions that require direct mitigating by vehicles - as this rule acknowledges - with limited resources to do so?
Oh dear roadtool. It’s not going too well for you is it? 
As the highway code is designed using a double blind technique where for each rule there is an accompanying rule carefully worded to make different types of road users aware of potential dangers and to give priority in certain circumstances it does not give right of way.
We share the roads so therefore have to look out for each other.
This Chris Boardman fellow may have the right intentions in theory but in practice will endanger more cyclists, especially the really vulnerable cyclists who aren’t sure what they are doing anyway. If they cross paths with a HGV driver who also doesn’t know what he is doing then they will die.
Changing priorities like CB’s suggestion at junctions with cycle tracks may need not only an added paragraph in the HC but also warning signs on the roads.
Your average road user can cope with this but not everyone and increases the risk to cyclists who suddenly gain priority in potentially dangerous situations… IMHO.
Course the blame shift game changes but that’s little comfort to the dead.
As Mr Boardmans idea not only undermines the principles of the Highway Code but also puts cyclists in more danger in the real world he is better off keeping his ideas to himself.
If cyclists want more priority at junctions then give cycle tracks their own set of traffic lights (smaller obviously and easily distinguishable from the main lights).
These could change before the main lights allowing them to bugger off first.
Green = go
Amber= proceed with caution and give way to left turning vehicles ahead.
Red = Stop
This could lead to a new set of problems but better than carte blanche suicidal priority changes.
Telling artic drivers to look out more falls short of grasping the causal reasons. It’s all about risk management.
With risk, you identify it, avoid it, failing that you trap it. Lastly if that doesn’t work you mitigate.
Identify -Large vehicles have well identified increased risk attached with vision down the sides. Limited road space on the left for two vehicles side by side.
Avoid - Measures to avoid road users and large vehicles being placed in this position. Demarcation at junctions for cyclists. A “not down the left” hard placed rule.
Trap - if by some “failing” this were to occur, what would the actions be, given lgvs have blind spots? The causal vehicle with the better vision to hang back. The cyclist.
Mitigate - the situation exists. There is a cycle down the left side of a turning artic. The last resort before the accident or death. Mayor for London is currently “managing” (?) the problem at this level with increased mirrors and vehicle construction changes. Emphasis on the flawed look out LGV drivers have available to them.
I can kick and scream all I like that I wished I could levitate, but I can’t. Instructions to “be aware” or “keep a look out” with a blind spot are akin to “look through the solid wall”
Managing risk would identify that this risk exists and the only sensible way to avoid and trap the risk would be to place more emphasis on reducing the situations where vehicles were placed in that position, rather than the final stage of mitigating the risk, which is always a last resort and the driver has limited resources given to him to mitigate.
I feel so strongly about this I wish it we possible and would welcome any debate myself on here with a cycling community representative, or persons representing road legislation. The debate does tend to descend into emotion on both sides which whilst human in nature, incredibly distracting, time wasting and misguided. Debates about “rights”, “fellow road users rights” and the such. All wonderful human senitments but sentiment has no place in evident risk management. I firmly believe, no, I know the kernels of this dilemma can be identified using hard nosed introspection and known models on threat and error management, not emotion.
The current emphasis by Mayor of London, out dated regulation and the cycling fraternity goes straight to asking drivers to mitigate level, which is why this is even a conversation. And especially bizarrely that a group of people on the receiving end of the risk are pushing for further rules that take them straight to the sharp end of their actions requiring mitigation. Its infantile
Hopefully it will eventually be possible to identify this idiot so that evidence of the corpse’s past behaviour can be can be shown to the inevitable coroner and any possible jury. Apart from the incident with the bus, look at the situation he creates for the Travis Perkins driver who will have concerns about a possible cyclist undertaking, and/or another overtaking, while he is trying to negotiate a parked vehicle obstructing his lane.
An example of the misinformation out there. This is a video in conjunction with the Department of transport! They should be ashamed of the material and incorrect wording given out.
For a start, the Cyclist commented that seated in a rigid lorry passenger seat - “I can see there are no Blind spots down the side”. Driver trainer agreed and then commented “only blind spot is behind the vehicle”. Terrible misinformation. What about artics?
This video is a classic example of how the approach by everyone in positions of change are on the mitigate level. A position of this video is again, that drivers just need to keep an eye in those mirrors.
Compare those comments on the previous with this demonstration
Maybe what we should be focusing on is not cycle safety measures, or HGV safety measures… maybe we should force anyone who wants to use the roads to do a How To Not Be A Self Important Meatbag.
Where, in some god-forsaken portacabin that has one of those unidentifyable soft spots in the floor, preferably in a rainy, cold open car park next to a sewerage plant, everyone is taught that no matter what their journey is, IT IS SO ■■■■■■■ POINTLESS THAT IT’S NOT WORTH GETTING UPSET YOU MIGHT BE DELAYED FOR A FEW SECONDS.
If, at the end of the day, you don’t cry and realise that you’re nothing but a slightly more advanced primate, attaching too much meaning to little things in order to hide from the reality that you’re getting ever closer to death, second by second, and some ■■■■ is paying £8ph while you do it, you’re not allowed to use the road.
Don’t get mad. Get nihilistic.
Freight Dog:
An example of the misinformation out there. This is a video in conjunction with the Department of transport! They should be ashamed of the material and incorrect wording given out.For a start, the Cyclist commented that seated in a rigid lorry passenger seat - “I can see there are no Blind spots down the side”. Driver trainer agreed and then commented “only blind spot is behind the vehicle”. Terrible misinformation. What about artics?
This video is a classic example of how the approach by everyone in positions of change are on the mitigate level. A position of this video is again, that drivers just need to keep an eye in those mirrors.
Have Jumbo jets got wing mirrors then?
cav551:
Freight Dog:
An example of the misinformation out there. This is a video in conjunction with the Department of transport! They should be ashamed of the material and incorrect wording given out.For a start, the Cyclist commented that seated in a rigid lorry passenger seat - “I can see there are no Blind spots down the side”. Driver trainer agreed and then commented “only blind spot is behind the vehicle”. Terrible misinformation. What about artics?
This video is a classic example of how the approach by everyone in positions of change are on the mitigate level. A position of this video is again, that drivers just need to keep an eye in those mirrors.
Have Jumbo jets got wing mirrors then?
No but they are left hand drive which,like the above example of better vision from the passenger seat of a rhd truck 
,obviously helps when road user’s lot try to under take them when they are turning left onto the runway while taxiing. 
cav551:
Freight Dog:
An example of the misinformation out there. This is a video in conjunction with the Department of transport! They should be ashamed of the material and incorrect wording given out.For a start, the Cyclist commented that seated in a rigid lorry passenger seat - “I can see there are no Blind spots down the side”. Driver trainer agreed and then commented “only blind spot is behind the vehicle”. Terrible misinformation. What about artics?
This video is a classic example of how the approach by everyone in positions of change are on the mitigate level. A position of this video is again, that drivers just need to keep an eye in those mirrors.
Have Jumbo jets got wing mirrors then?
Que Meester Fawlty?
Edit. Sorry I get it now , my editing skills are terrible. That’s from an earlier thread. Hopefully correct video linked and not one of cats that can juggle or something
slowlane:
Maybe what we should be focusing on is not cycle safety measures, or HGV safety measures… maybe we should force anyone who wants to use the roads to do a How To Not Be A Self Important Meatbag.Where, in some god-forsaken portacabin that has one of those unidentifyable soft spots in the floor, preferably in a rainy, cold open car park next to a sewerage plant, everyone is taught that no matter what their journey is, IT IS SO [zb] POINTLESS THAT IT’S NOT WORTH GETTING UPSET YOU MIGHT BE DELAYED FOR A FEW SECONDS.
If, at the end of the day, you don’t cry and realise that you’re nothing but a slightly more advanced primate, attaching too much meaning to little things in order to hide from the reality that you’re getting ever closer to death, second by second, and some [zb] is paying £8ph while you do it, you’re not allowed to use the road.
Don’t get mad. Get nihilistic.
How does any of that help when the problem is simply one of rules and rules being there for everyone’s safety.In this case the simple life saving rule don’t overtake/undertake through a junction where it’s foreseeable that you’ll get into conflict with turning traffic.
Carryfast:
slowlane:
Maybe what we should be focusing on is not cycle safety measures, or HGV safety measures… maybe we should force anyone who wants to use the roads to do a How To Not Be A Self Important Meatbag.Where, in some god-forsaken portacabin that has one of those unidentifyable soft spots in the floor, preferably in a rainy, cold open car park next to a sewerage plant, everyone is taught that no matter what their journey is, IT IS SO [zb] POINTLESS THAT IT’S NOT WORTH GETTING UPSET YOU MIGHT BE DELAYED FOR A FEW SECONDS.
If, at the end of the day, you don’t cry and realise that you’re nothing but a slightly more advanced primate, attaching too much meaning to little things in order to hide from the reality that you’re getting ever closer to death, second by second, and some [zb] is paying £8ph while you do it, you’re not allowed to use the road.
Don’t get mad. Get nihilistic.
How does any of that help when the problem is simply one of rules and rules being there for everyone’s safety.In this case the simple life saving rule don’t overtake/undertake through a junction where it’s foreseeable that you’ll get into conflict with turning traffic.
It was a rather overblown way of saying that there really isn’t anything wrong with the rules that stand right now.
The problem, in my book, is that almost everyone is zooming around flat out in their own personal JIT world. When you’re under pressure, you start to bend/break what you see as “minor” or “pointless” rules.
slowlane:
The problem, in my book, is that almost everyone is zooming around flat out in their own personal JIT world. When you’re under pressure, you start to bend/break what you see as “minor” or “pointless” rules.
plus there is a sizeable minority of people out there who simply can’t cope with the concept of the wheel, whether it is Lorry, Van, Car, Motor Bike, Push Bike, or even a shopping Trolley, once they are in charge their brains go to mush and they start behaving like morons.
I still think the easy solution is to empty your pish bottle out the nearside window at the apropriate moment…at least they might think about coming up the inside again. 