Colin_scottish:
what a daft idea how about the lycra gang pay to ise the roads then they can moan about something .
Every time you drive near someone on a bike, you think they haven’t paid?
Why do they think that they can do what they please.
Looney Lycra lefties, 
Had one the other day I couldn’t shoot past as I was heavy and traffic was busy coming the other way,but a lay by came up and he could of cycled through it to let me crack on but no he wasn’t moving
Cyclists bring out the worst in me
roaduser66:
Colin_scottish:
what a daft idea how about the lycra gang pay to ise the roads then they can moan about something .Every time you drive near someone on a bike, you think they haven’t paid?
what do they pay to use the road and also i think they should have some sort of insurance.
Colin_scottish:
what do they pay to use the road and also i think they should have some sort of insurance.
People pay to use the roads based on the amount of pollutants they emit, cyclists don’t emit any, therefore they don’t pay.
Can’t argue with you on the insurance though.
I used to do a lot of cycling. Always called out to horse riders before I passed them so that they could get a grip on their horses.
Sent using smoke and mirrors
When I ride the bike I dont half emit pollutants,I used to have a tandem but the wife and children gave up riding with me on the front,had to sell it after a while.
Personally I don’t care about cyclists not directly paying to use the roads, however I would like to see some sort of registration/identification on bikes so the minority of irresponsible cyclists can be identified and dealt with the same way motorists are.
Colin_scottish:
roaduser66:
Colin_scottish:
what a daft idea how about the lycra gang pay to ise the roads then they can moan about something .Every time you drive near someone on a bike, you think they haven’t paid?
what do they pay to use the road and also i think they should have some sort of insurance.
So you are saying that every time you drive near a cyclist you reckon they don’t pay, is that correct?
Cyclist comes down your near side of your car. Pedal scrapes your passenger door and he/she knocks your wing mirror off.
Within 30 seconds the cyclist has cleared off down a path, or gone through the gaps in the congested traffic.
Who was it? Well officer it was a person wearing dodgy sunglasses and a helmet. What was the reg mark? Didn’t have one. Was it a bloke or a woman? Don’t know, the pricks all look the same. What were they wearing? A lycra costume.
Sorry pal we have no idea who it was, cheerio. Meanwhile at the body shop…
Colin_scottish:
what do they pay to use the road and also i think they should have some sort of insurance.
The roads are funded out of general taxation, and as cyclists tend to be on higher incomes it could be argued that they pay more towards our roads. They also usually have a car at home that is not adding to the congestion… They are probably entitled from a contribution point of view.
dailymail.co.uk/news/article … bikes.html
The insurance point you make seems a good one, however how wide do we extend it, children on bikes? Ladies pushing prams, Pedestrians who cross the road? I would guess in the grand scale of things cyclists do little damage (although they could cause a serious accident) and it is always possible to pursue them for damage they are responsible for. I doubt we will see any compulsory insurance requirement, for health and environmental reasons the powers-that-be are desperate to promote cycling as the way forward.
eagerbeaver:
Cyclist comes down your near side of your car. Pedal scrapes your passenger door and he/she knocks your wing mirror off.Within 30 seconds the cyclist has cleared off down a path, or gone through the gaps in the congested traffic.
Who was it? Well officer it was a person wearing dodgy sunglasses and a helmet. What was the reg mark? Didn’t have one. Was it a bloke or a woman? Don’t know, the pricks all look the same. What were they wearing? A lycra costume.
Sorry pal we have no idea who it was, cheerio. Meanwhile at the body shop…
Hit and run drivers hurt 12 people every single day in London alone. Uninsured drivers cost the rest of us £400m a year and kill someone every two days. Can you find me any verifiable examples of an uninsured cyclist causing an unrecoverable loss?
What most people don’t know is…they probably have cycling insurance. You get it with your home policy, look under Public Liability. I get £2m with my Bradford and Bingley policy. Membership of any cycling club offers free TP insurance for cyclists. Ever heard of free car insurance?
So, anyone who says cyclists don’t pay is too stupid to be put in charge of a shopping trolley, let alone an HGV.
Motor tax revenue: ~£38bn
Highways Agency: ~£4.7bn
RTC costs: ~£34bn
Work it out.
It’s also pointlessly binary and tribal. Anyone who looks at a cyclist and says “They don’t pay to use the roads!” must also believe it IMPOSSIBLE for a cyclist to also own a car. Which is retarded. 80% of cyclists drive:
gov.uk/government/news/driv … each-other
Don’t be stupid and tribal. “Cyclists” and “drivers” are not distinct tribes. That’s binary and ludicrous. Same people. Try telling DVLA you don’t need to pay VED cos you own a bike. I did and they were very rude.
Stop being dumbasses. Stop relying on stupid binary thinking to demonise people on bikes. You haven’t even understood this proposal, which makes perfect sense:
You don’t turn across bus lanes when there’s traffic. You MUST check first. Highway Code Rule 211.
Sometimes I think that if drivers realised that cyclists and drivers are the same people and stopped relying on retarded thinking to demonise and dehumanise anyone who gets on a bike there’d be fewer collisions…
Give way to cyclists on a cycle track. Doesn’t say give way to them on a road when they can see ahead of them that you are indicating left and about to turn though does it?
You really do spout some ■■■■■■■■ fella. And as for unrecoverable losses…there are plenty smack heads running around burgling houses whilst using stolen mountain bikes to make good their escape.
But I assume you will not include them will you?
eagerbeaver:
Give way to cyclists on a cycle track. Doesn’t say give way to them on a road when they can see ahead of them that you are indicating left and about to turn though does it?You really do spout some ■■■■■■■■ fella. And as for unrecoverable losses…there are plenty smack heads running around burgling houses whilst using stolen mountain bikes to make good their escape.
But I assume you will not include them will you?
Road users requiring extra care (204-225)
Rule 211:
It is often difficult to see motorcyclists and cyclists, especially when they are coming up from behind, coming out of junctions, at roundabouts, overtaking you or filtering through traffic. Always look out for them before you emerge from a junction; they could be approaching faster than you think. When turning right across a line of slow-moving or stationary traffic, look out for cyclists or motorcyclists on the inside of the traffic you are crossing. Be especially careful when turning, and when changing direction or lane. Be sure to check mirrors and blind spots carefully.
You MUST check for traffic when you turn. Basic driving. Otherwise a cyclist on your offside could indicate, cross your path, scratch your car and…whose fault? The turning vehicle, naturally
I asked if you could find any verifiable examples of an uninsured cyclist causing an unrecoverable loss. If it is a big problem you should be able to show me some examples. One. One example. If you are stretching this to include any crimes committed by someone who may have escaped using a bicycle it’s not quite the same thing.
So, uninsured cyclists a big problem? Prove it. Show me examples.
You even managed to get hooked on ■■■■ poor bait don’t you?
It is unfair of me to challenge the challenged, so I will leave you to it chief.
eagerbeaver:
Give way to cyclists on a cycle track. Doesn’t say give way to them on a road when they can see ahead of them that you are indicating left and about to turn though does it?
Yes it does. Says it very clearly. The rules in The Highway Code do not give you the right of way in any circumstances. Every competent driver knows this. You’re using a public forum to demonstrate you don’t know how to drive properly.
Always give way if it can help to avoid an incident.
gov.uk/guidance/the-highway … 103-to-158
A truck driver who hates cyclists, repeatedly abuses them, and who doesn’t know what the rules of the road are. Interesting.
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Makes sense to me…
roaduser66:
Road users requiring extra care (204-225)Rule 211:
It is often difficult to see motorcyclists and cyclists, especially when they are coming up from behind, coming out of junctions, at roundabouts, overtaking you or filtering through traffic. Always look out for them before you emerge from a junction; they could be approaching faster than you think. When turning right across a line of slow-moving or stationary traffic, look out for cyclists or motorcyclists on the inside of the traffic you are crossing. Be especially careful when turning, and when changing direction or lane. Be sure to check mirrors and blind spots carefully.You MUST check for traffic when you turn. Basic driving. Otherwise a cyclist on your offside could indicate, cross your path, scratch your car and…whose fault? The turning vehicle, naturally
Your ‘interpretation’ of the rules obviously contradicts rule 167 which you seem have conveniently over looked.
While by your logic a cyclist who makes a turning at a junction or moves out to pass a parked vehicle and gets hit by an over taking vehicle,is in the wrong.Yes or no.Let me guess in that case it conveniently changes to no on the same bs basis that the vulnerable road user (militant reclaim the streets cyclist activist ) can never be at fault. 
As for the bs about bus lanes exactly how many bus lanes continue across a left turning junction.As opposed to being deliberately removed to stop conflict between undertaking buses v left turning traffic.
roaduser66:
Road users requiring extra care (204-225)Rule 211:
It is often difficult to see motorcyclists and cyclists, especially when they are coming up from behind, coming out of junctions, at roundabouts, overtaking you or filtering through traffic. Always look out for them before you emerge from a junction; they could be approaching faster than you think. When turning right across a line of slow-moving or stationary traffic, look out for cyclists or motorcyclists on the inside of the traffic you are crossing. Be especially careful when turning, and when changing direction or lane. Be sure to check mirrors and blind spots carefully.
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I think we can all agree with the part I have highlighted - So until a solution can be created that makes cyclists etc easy to spot when they are filtering up the inside, how about we ban the practise ? peoples lives are too important to be risked through impatience, so how about cyclists just hang back until a solution is found. I appreciate another way would be to ban HGVs until the problem can be resolved, but that is a bit impracticable as the entire economy would collapse, like it or lump it lorries are the most important vehicles on our roads, without them everything else grinds to a halt. No Lorries, No Economy.
I agree with those who say our transport network is a mess, many things could be a whole lot better. But we have what we have and we msut make the best of it with safety being the overwhelming priority, so ffs lets stop filtering up the inside.
To me all of this is a PR game that the government are keen to champion in order get more people on to bikes thinking it’s safe, when it’s possibly going to get worse! 
roaduser66:
[. Can you find me any verifiable examples of an uninsured cyclist causing an unrecoverable loss?Yes, my elderly aunt was knocked down from behind by a speeding cyclist who never stopped and made off as fast as he could go. Never did find out who it was. She was so traumatised that she was unable to go back to work after leaving hospital and died shortly afterwards.
Hence I hate adult cyclists so no crocodile tears from you.