Dont really know whats so hard about this…
I do and I’ll admit it readily. Just cruise on through keeping my thoughts to myself.
The HC says quite clearly “drive on the left”.
If by passing on the left, you gonna get a ticket, then cloggers should be equally nicked for a due care or obstruction.
Mobile roadblocks = danger.
It ain’t difficult.
I regularly go out on motorcycle ‘ride outs’ with an ageing bunch of rogue’s, vagabonds, & ne’er do well’s , one of whom is a Barrister. He’s a great laff, although he specialises in commercial contracts his overall knowledge of the quirks of our law can make your head explode.
Rog is actually correct, undertaking, or overtaking on the left is NOT illegal in itself & as Rog has stated “The same laws apply when passing a vehicle on either side”.
This is important for anyone who rides a bike to understand. Filtering as it is commonly called, is also not illegal.
I’m surprised that some folk on here seem to have a knowledge of the laws surrounding our trade that is on roughly the same level as my dog !
I like to discuss subjects like this, I really do, but I don’t think Trucknet is the right kind of environment.
Rog, why are you being argumentative? Is it just for the sake of an argument or do you have other motives?
Chas:
Rog, why are you being argumentative? Is it just for the sake of an argument or do you have other motives?
I only started this thread because the subject was starting to take another thread off topic so thought it was better to keep this issue in a seperate place
ROG:
shuttlespanker:
ROG:
Please find the LAW that says it is illegalthis do ya?
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Do not overtake on the left or move to a lane on your left to overtake. In congested conditions, where adjacent lanes of traffic are moving at similar speeds, traffic in left-hand lanes may sometimes be moving faster than traffic to the right. In these conditions you may keep up with the traffic in your lane even if this means passing traffic in the lane to your right. Do not weave in and out of lanes to overtake.
I said the LAW please not RECOMMENDATION
FFS! 
That is all.
ROG:
Chas:
Rog, why are you being argumentative? Is it just for the sake of an argument or do you have other motives?I only started this thread because the subject was starting to take another thread off topic so thought it was better to keep this issue in a seperate place
Diverting attention from elsewhere 
If I’m on the limit and they won’t move to the left, I.e middle lane hoggers, I’m gone…
As long as its safe, I’m not slowing down for dumb asses who are busy texting doing 45mph on the A1M in the middle lane.
Whilst the Highway Code is a “guide” to safe driving practices, failure to adhere to it, can and will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
That Rog, is FACT.
For a supposed IAMs advisor you do seem to be a bit on the back end here.
The reality is that passing on the left of a vehicle in any other lane IS illegal, except for where traffic in those lanes is slowing in progression.
However, given that the police are more concerned about traffic flowing freely, if you pass on the left in a safe manner, has been described previously, then it is unlikely the police will be bothered. If however you do it rashly, or cause an accident, or pull back into the same lane as the vehicle you have undertaken, you will be deemed to have been driving at the very least, Without Due Care and Attention.
I used to undertake quite regularly when I had my warehouse in Sherwood St Scarbro’ awhile back and came very close to death every single time.
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A so called business ‘friend’ other side of the road had a funeral company and if he was stuck for a driver or pall bearer he would ask me to help him out. 
anisboy:
Whilst the Highway Code is a “guide” to safe driving practices, failure to adhere to it, can and will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.That Rog, is FACT.
For a supposed IAMs advisor you do seem to be a bit on the back end here.
The reality is that passing on the left of a vehicle in any other lane IS illegal, except for where traffic in those lanes is slowing in progression.
However, given that the police are more concerned about traffic flowing freely, if you pass on the left in a safe manner, has been described previously, then it is unlikely the police will be bothered. If however you do it rashly, or cause an accident, or pull back into the same lane as the vehicle you have undertaken, you will be deemed to have been driving at the very least, Without Due Care and Attention.
You are WRONG.
I’m not specifically siding with Rog here, but some very impressionable folk might be reading your WRONG advice & spend the rest of their live’s acting upon it accordingly.
Which part of "“The same laws apply when passing a vehicle on either side” do you not understand?
Chas:
anisboy:
Whilst the Highway Code is a “guide” to safe driving practices, failure to adhere to it, can and will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.That Rog, is FACT.
For a supposed IAMs advisor you do seem to be a bit on the back end here.
The reality is that passing on the left of a vehicle in any other lane IS illegal, except for where traffic in those lanes is slowing in progression.
However, given that the police are more concerned about traffic flowing freely, if you pass on the left in a safe manner, has been described previously, then it is unlikely the police will be bothered. If however you do it rashly, or cause an accident, or pull back into the same lane as the vehicle you have undertaken, you will be deemed to have been driving at the very least, Without Due Care and Attention.
You are WRONG.
I’m not specifically siding with Rog here, but some very impressionable folk might be reading your WRONG advice & spend the rest of their live’s acting upon it accordingly.
Which part of "“The same laws apply when passing a vehicle on either side” do you not understand?
Which part of 241 and 242 do YOU not understand?
I reiterate, whilst the HC is guide, not adhereing to it will be used to the fullest extent under prosecution.
anisboy:
Chas:
You are WRONG.I’m not specifically siding with Rog here, but some very impressionable folk might be reading your WRONG advice & spend the rest of their live’s acting upon it accordingly.
Which part of "“The same laws apply when passing a vehicle on either side” do you not understand?
Which part of 241 and 242 do YOU not understand?
I reiterate, whilst the HC is guide, not adhereing to it will be used to the fullest extent under prosecution.
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Part 241 & 242 of what?
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So, if I do something out on the road which goes against what is printed in the Highway Code . . . I will stand in court & be charged with what offence exactly?
Lets assume that I dare to cross the central dividing line, the line happens to be a continuous & unbroken one, with what offence am I charged?
Chas:
anisboy:
Chas:
You are WRONG.I’m not specifically siding with Rog here, but some very impressionable folk might be reading your WRONG advice & spend the rest of their live’s acting upon it accordingly.
Which part of "“The same laws apply when passing a vehicle on either side” do you not understand?
Which part of 241 and 242 do YOU not understand?
I reiterate, whilst the HC is guide, not adhereing to it will be used to the fullest extent under prosecution.
- Part 241 & 242 of what?
The Highway Code
- So, if I do something out on the road which goes against what is printed in the Highway Code . . . I will stand in court & be charged with what offence exactly?
Depends on what you have done against the HC, and on how the prosecuting officer sees it.
Lets assume that I dare to cross the central dividing line, the line happens to be a continuous & unbroken one, with what offence am I charged?
With the written exceptions of passing slower vehicles such as cyclists, if you cross a solid white line divider, you have immediately Driven Without Due Care and Attention.
Chas:
anisboy:
Chas:
You are WRONG.I’m not specifically siding with Rog here, but some very impressionable folk might be reading your WRONG advice & spend the rest of their live’s acting upon it accordingly.
Which part of "“The same laws apply when passing a vehicle on either side” do you not understand?
Which part of 241 and 242 do YOU not understand?
I reiterate, whilst the HC is guide, not adhereing to it will be used to the fullest extent under prosecution.
Lets assume that I dare to cross the central dividing line, the line happens to be a continuous & unbroken one, with what offence am I charged?
Section 4 of the road traffic act 1988 - driving like a ■■■■
I’m not gonna get into an argument about legalities, but if it is legal to undertake, why were the law makers thinking about making it legal to undertake?
They was on about how it was legal in the USA, and wondered if it would be ok in this country, if I remember rightly, they didn’t make it a legal manoeuvre.
This was within the last 20 years.
Or it could have been to remove the part about undertaking from the Highway Code!
Oh, just to add, I will undertake if the need arises!
I am going to use the term PASSING instead of under or over take for simplicity
The reason that the HC ADVICES passing on the right is because most expect it to happen that way in the UK so therefore it is deemed SAFER to do so
The LAW does not prevent passing on the left because it is not deemed UNSAFE to do so
If the powers that be thought passing on the left was UNSAFE then a LAW would be in force right now
LAWS are in place for UNSAFE passing no matter what side it is done = DWDCaT for example
There are also LAWS for changing lanes unsafely = DWDCaT for example
If any part of the HC is also LAW then the HC makes it clear by using MUST or MUST NOT and then referring to the LAW itself
Rog do everyone a favour, go stand on a motorway bridge and look out for hire trailers in the outside lane… 
GBPub:
Rog do everyone a favour, go stand on a motorway bridge and look out for hire trailers in the outside lane…
Why?
In around 1991 I was going home in my car down the A34 at around 4am. Just afterthe junction with the A303 I came up on two cars in lane 2 doing 55mph the rear one tailgating and flashing his lights. I slowede down behind them but realised it was going nowhere so I moved accross to lane 1 accelerated up the inside of them and left them to it. As I got into the 50mph speed limit just before Winchester I saw blue lights behind them in my mirror “Good I thought serves them right”.
As I got onto the M3 I see blue lights behind me I got pulled. 6 points and a 240 quid fine for driving without due care and attention.
What really got my goat is that they didn’t pull the ■■■■■■■■■ who were driving without due care and attention. Trouble was I was driving an ■■■■■■ RS turbo and I reckon the cops were hoping for a high speed chase.
That was the same time as Chris Eubanks got 6 points and a 250 quid fine for mounting a pavement in his 4X4 and killing a pedestrian.
schrodingers cat:
In around 1991 I was going home in my car down the A34 at around 4am. Just afterthe junction with the A303 I came up on two cars in lane 2 doing 55mph the rear one tailgating and flashing his lights. I slowede down behind them but realised it was going nowhere so I moved accross to lane 1 accelerated up the inside of them and left them to it. As I got into the 50mph speed limit just before Winchester I saw blue lights behind them in my mirror “Good I thought serves them right”.As I got onto the M3 I see blue lights behind me I got pulled. 6 points and a 240 quid fine for driving without due care and attention.
What really got my goat is that they didn’t pull the [zb] who were driving without due care and attention. Trouble was I was driving an ■■■■■■ RS turbo and I reckon the cops were hoping for a high speed chase.
That was the same time as Chris Eubanks got 6 points and a 250 quid fine for mounting a pavement in his 4X4 and killing a pedestrian.
they should have had all three vehicle for DWDCaT
one for not moving over
one for tailgating + aggressive driving
and you for taking the risk that one of the other two would not suddenly move lane which in that situation was very possible
Very unfair just to go for you IMO