ROG:
GBPub:
Rog do everyone a favour, go stand on a motorway bridge and look out for hire trailers in the outside lane…
Why?
Because you’re a class one prick, ROG!!! Go play with your horsey friends and get them all excited again with your ‘knowledge’
ROG:
With a speed limited van you would be illegal to use the outer lane of a motorway of more than 2 lanes - I am fairly certain of that but am open to being corrected
can you show me the LAW that states this please?
askthe.police.uk/content/Q590.htm
The types of vehicles not permitted to use the right hand lane on a motorway (which has three or more lanes) are:
a goods vehicle having a maximum laden weight exceeding 3.5 tonnes but not exceeding 7.5 tonnes, which is required to be fitted with a speed limiter
This any good? 
Yes, all the time, I even flash my lights on the way past just to further demonstrate my knowledge of the HC
shuttlespanker:
ROG:
With a speed limited van you would be illegal to use the outer lane of a motorway of more than 2 lanes - I am fairly certain of that but am open to being correctedcan you show me the LAW that states this please?
ajt:
https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q590.htmThe types of vehicles not permitted to use the right hand lane on a motorway (which has three or more lanes) are:
a goods vehicle having a maximum laden weight exceeding 3.5 tonnes but not exceeding 7.5 tonnes, which is required to be fitted with a speed limiter
This any good?
not really 
shuttlespanker:
ROG:
With a speed limited van you would be illegal to use the outer lane of a motorway of more than 2 lanes - I am fairly certain of that but am open to being correctedcan you show me the LAW that states this please?
I said I stood to be corrected …
Like the other member I can only seem to find the same wording, even on the transport friends site, but a google search does not seem to pick up on a legal site … its probably an ammendment in the RTA so perhaps a clever law reading person can find it ?
shuttlespanker:
ROG:
With a speed limited van you would be illegal to use the outer lane of a motorway of more than 2 lanes - I am fairly certain of that but am open to being correctedcan you show me the LAW that states this please?
as an operator you should know this. even a brain dead chimp knows this.
also, the law regarding undertaking as ROG has put it is correct. you should also know this.
i don’t know what is going on with you at the moment, but most of what you have written is complete crap.
most of what you post is generally sensible, with a bit of humour chucked in. but not in this thread.
All the time, if a car is sat in middle lane, i’ll give them a mile or so to sort themselves out, if they start taking the mickey i’ll undertake, stay along side, quick toot and gesture to move over… 
Normally their wife would be going mental at them… 
ROG:
The same laws apply when passing a vehicle on either sidePassing could be deemed as over or under taking which is why I used that term
I would like to see a case where a motorist has ever been prosecuted for safely passing on either side - I know there have been many cases of unsafe passing
Rog, your talk cack, overtaking is not undertaking … if you proceed out to lane 3 of a motorway or a d/c then move back in then it is not an undertake … if undertaking in a reckless manner then it can be a cause for reckless driving and can be useable in court. think the fireworks are still ringing in your ears!
For all the health and safety rules we have to put up with as UK citizens in every single thing we do, i still find it unbelievable that we don’t incorporate a motorway test for learner drivers.
Majority of the general public wouldn’t know lane discipline if it came up and bit them on their ar5e!!
I can not believe this on a truck forum about undertaking or passing on the left, we as truck drivers are always moaning about some idiot in the nearside lane trying to nip up the blind side
the highway code is there for us to follow a guide in some part of the guide there is law and there is not look for the bits in bold at the bottom
IE
268
Do not overtake on the left or move to a lane on your left to overtake. In congested conditions, where adjacent lanes of traffic are moving at similar speeds, traffic in left-hand lanes may sometimes be moving faster than traffic to the right. In these conditions you may keep up with the traffic in your lane even if this means passing traffic in the lane to your right. Do not weave in and out of lanes to overtake.
this next bit is about speed limiters, so have a look
265
The right-hand lane of a motorway with three or more lanes MUST NOT be used (except in prescribed circumstances) if you are driving
any vehicle drawing a trailer
a goods vehicle with a maximum laden weight exceeding 3.5 tonnes but not exceeding 7.5 tonnes, which is required to be fitted with a speed limiter
a goods vehicle with a maximum laden weight exceeding 7.5 tonnes
a passenger vehicle with a maximum laden weight exceeding 7.5 tonnes constructed or adapted to carry more than eight seated passengers in addition to the driver
a passenger vehicle with a maximum laden weight not exceeding 7.5 tonnes which is constructed or adapted to carry more than eight seated passengers in addition to the driver, which is required to be fitted with a speed limiter.
Laws MT(E&W)R reg 12, MT(E&W)AR (2004), MT(S)R reg 11 & MT(S)AR (2004)
and as i have been told on here many times before,( It’s all in the wording) MUST NOT
there a statement on the road traffic act about the high way code and it says this
(7)
A failure on the part of a person to observe a provision of the Highway Code shall not of itself render that person liable to criminal proceedings of any kind but any such failure may in any proceedings (whether civil or criminal, and including proceedings for an offence under the Traffic Acts, the M11Public Passenger Vehicles Act 1981 or sections 18 to 23 of the M12Transport Act 1985) be relied upon by any party to the proceedings as tending to establish or negative any liability which is in question in those proceedings.
so you take the chance or take the punishment ( kill yourself or others )
I’ve done a lot of night driving, and have see a lot of trucks undertake and nearly end up in the ditch by the hard shoulder.
limeyphil:
shuttlespanker:
ROG:
With a speed limited van you would be illegal to use the outer lane of a motorway of more than 2 lanes - I am fairly certain of that but am open to being correctedcan you show me the LAW that states this please?
as an operator you should know this. even a brain dead chimp knows this.
also, the law regarding undertaking as ROG has put it is correct. you should also know this.
i don’t know what is going on with you at the moment, but most of what you have written is complete crap.
most of what you post is generally sensible, with a bit of humour chucked in. but not in this thread.
ok then, Mr Fountain Of All Knowledge and all things bullcrap, can YOU show me the LAW that states a van (as described earlier) fitted with a speed limiter is not allowed (illegal) to use the outside lane on a motorway of more than 2 lanes?
i would be interested to see this LAW, as nobody has been able to post it up as yet 
Do meals on wheels vans have limiters these days
shuttlespanker:
i would be interested to see this LAW, as nobody has been able to post it up as yet
I think you’ll be waiting a while
The law, as it stands, has already been posted above.
a goods vehicle with a maximum laden weight exceeding 3.5 tonnes but not exceeding 7.5 tonnes
No mention of anything less than 3.5 tonnes, limited or otherwise. Therefore a Transit Connect/VW Caddy is able to use the outside lane… limited or not.
shuttlespanker:
limeyphil:
shuttlespanker:
ROG:
With a speed limited van you would be illegal to use the outer lane of a motorway of more than 2 lanes - I am fairly certain of that but am open to being correctedcan you show me the LAW that states this please?
as an operator you should know this. even a brain dead chimp knows this.
also, the law regarding undertaking as ROG has put it is correct. you should also know this.
i don’t know what is going on with you at the moment, but most of what you have written is complete crap.
most of what you post is generally sensible, with a bit of humour chucked in. but not in this thread.ok then, Mr Fountain Of All Knowledge and all things bullcrap, can YOU show me the LAW that states a van (as described earlier) fitted with a speed limiter is not allowed (illegal) to use the outside lane on a motorway of more than 2 lanes?
i would be interested to see this LAW, as nobody has been able to post it up as yet
The types of vehicles not permitted to use the right hand lane on a motorway (which has three or more lanes) are,
a goods vehicle having a maximum laden weight exceeding 7.5 tonnes,
a goods vehicle having a maximum laden weight exceeding 3.5 tonnes but not exceeding 7.5 tonnes, which is required to be fitted with a speed limiter and
a goods vehicle which (among other things) cannot travel over 60mph
a passenger vehicle which is constructed or adapted to carry more than eight seated passengers in addition to the driver the maximum laden weight of which exceeds 7.5 tonnes;
a passenger vehicle which is constructed or adapted to carry more than eight seated passengers in addition to the driver the maximum laden weight of which does not exceed 7.5 tonnes, which is required to be fitted with a speed limiter.
a passenger vehicle which (among other things) cannot travel over 60mph
a motor vehicle drawing a trailer
a vehicle which is a motor tractor, a light locomotive or a heavy locomotive.
There are exceptions to this rule which are,
when it is necessary for the vehicle to be driven to enable it to pass another vehicle which is carrying or drawing a load of exceptional width.
for a vehicle to change lane during a period when it would not be reasonably practicable for it to do so without involving danger of injury to any person or inconvenience to other traffic.
common knowledge.
Melchett:
shuttlespanker:
i would be interested to see this LAW, as nobody has been able to post it up as yetI think you’ll be waiting a while
The law, as it stands, has already been posted above.
a goods vehicle with a maximum laden weight exceeding 3.5 tonnes but not exceeding 7.5 tonnes
No mention of anything less than 3.5 tonnes, limited or otherwise. Therefore a Transit Connect/VW Caddy is able to use the outside lane… limited or not.
exactly
this is why i was asking Limeyphylis for the link
taken from wiki
Undertaking or overtaking on the inside[1][2][3] refers to the practice of overtaking a slower vehicle on a road using the lane that is kerb side of the vehicle being passed; that is to say, a lane to the left of the vehicle in countries where driving is on the left, or a lane to the right of the vehicle in countries where driving is on the right (see Right- and left-hand traffic). The practice of undertaking, therefore, may only usually occur on a motorway or other road where there is more than one lane in the same direction or when the width of the roads makes this possible (although there may be exceptions in the cases of contraflow bus lanes).
Many countries consider undertaking dangerous and therefore designate it a driving offence, however most countries make the distinction between involuntary undertaking (passing centre side vehicles in heavy traffic) as opposed to the deliberate attempt to pass a slower moving vehicle for one’s own benefit.
and
United Kingdom - The Highway Code discourages undertaking on motorways with some exceptions (rule 268): “Do not overtake on the left or move to a lane on your left to overtake”. Undertaking is permitted in congested conditions when frequent lane changing is not recommended.[4] On other roads, the Code advises drivers “should only overtake on the left if the vehicle in front is signalling to turn right” (rule 163).[5] Rule 163 uses advisory wording and “will not, in itself, cause a person to be prosecuted”, but may be used in evidence to establishing liability in any court proceedings.[6] On all roads, undertaking is permitted if the vehicles in the lane to the right are queueing and slow moving. Undertaking in an aggressive or reckless manner could be considered Careless Driving or more seriously Dangerous Driving, both of which are legally enforceable offences.
FarnboroughBoy11:
Chas:
anisboy:
Chas:
You are WRONG.I’m not specifically siding with Rog here, but some very impressionable folk might be reading your WRONG advice & spend the rest of their live’s acting upon it accordingly.
Which part of "“The same laws apply when passing a vehicle on either side” do you not understand?
Which part of 241 and 242 do YOU not understand?
I reiterate, whilst the HC is guide, not adhereing to it will be used to the fullest extent under prosecution.
Lets assume that I dare to cross the central dividing line, the line happens to be a continuous & unbroken one, with what offence am I charged?
Section 4 of the road traffic act 1988 - driving like a [zb]
Actually you are wrong.
Chas is closest to being correct due to him being a biker and a friend of a Barrister.
There is no specific offence of passing on the nearside, overtaking on the nearside or undertaking. There used to be but that offence was removed from the statute books in 1972. That was 3 years before I took a driving test. 
shuttlespanker:
shuttlespanker:
ROG:
With a speed limited van you would be illegal to use the outer lane of a motorway of more than 2 lanes - I am fairly certain of that but am open to being correctedcan you show me the LAW that states this please?
ajt:
https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q590.htmThe types of vehicles not permitted to use the right hand lane on a motorway (which has three or more lanes) are:
a goods vehicle having a maximum laden weight exceeding 3.5 tonnes but not exceeding 7.5 tonnes, which is required to be fitted with a speed limiter
This any good?
not really
Not at all because you missed the next bit, and that completely changes what you are trying to say
scotstrucker:
taken from wikiUndertaking or overtaking on the inside[1][2][3] refers to the practice of overtaking a slower vehicle on a road using the lane that is kerb side of the vehicle being passed; that is to say, a lane to the left of the vehicle in countries where driving is on the left, or a lane to the right of the vehicle in countries where driving is on the right (see Right- and left-hand traffic). The practice of undertaking, therefore, may only usually occur on a motorway or other road where there is more than one lane in the same direction or when the width of the roads makes this possible (although there may be exceptions in the cases of contraflow bus lanes).
Many countries consider undertaking dangerous and therefore designate it a driving offence, however most countries make the distinction between involuntary undertaking (passing centre side vehicles in heavy traffic) as opposed to the deliberate attempt to pass a slower moving vehicle for one’s own benefit.and
United Kingdom - The Highway Code discourages undertaking on motorways with some exceptions (rule 268): “Do not overtake on the left or move to a lane on your left to overtake”. Undertaking is permitted in congested conditions when frequent lane changing is not recommended.[4] On other roads, the Code advises drivers “should only overtake on the left if the vehicle in front is signalling to turn right” (rule 163).[5] Rule 163 uses advisory wording and “will not, in itself, cause a person to be prosecuted”, but may be used in evidence to establishing liability in any court proceedings.[6] On all roads, undertaking is permitted if the vehicles in the lane to the right are queueing and slow moving. Undertaking in an aggressive or reckless manner could be considered Careless Driving or more seriously Dangerous Driving, both of which are legally enforceable offences.
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