In short, if you got an accident while running with your pump truck on the back of the box and having rest/break on tacho, they will refuse to pay anything towards you as you were falsified record on tacho. Your contract says keep legal record of working time etc etc. Capito?
The Sarge:
dieseldog999:
The Sarge:
Illegal. Don’t do it. If the boss insists - tell him to put it in writing…then wonder why your looking for another job next week…
I repeat:
Illegal. Don’t do it. If the boss insists - tell him to put it in writing…
Or get out. Which part don’t you understand?
You ever get the feeling by dd999 posts he’s a ■■■■■■■■■ been there done that got the T shirt fingers up to the regs driver … yet another so called professional driver that if they really stood back and looked at what they do would realise they are one of the problems of the haulage industry 
Depends what job your doing.
I stick mine on break a lot when working as I’m loading and tipping half dozen times a day.
But a lot of the time I’m sitting around for half hour waiting to get loaded.
So if I’m loading and close to my 4 n half I stick it on break just so I don’t have to stop when it suits the tacho rather when it suits me to have a food break or tea or coffee.
I know if I was on a job where you load drive for 4 n half tip then drive four n half back I would be taking my proper breaks when required. As there isn’t much room for excuses when someone starts questioning you. But my tacho is all over the place anyways when you read a print out.
Let’s be honest who actually knows anyone that’s has been done for this?
dieseldog999:
who would you employ if you ran your own smaller business,someone hands on who can just get the job done,or some holier than though nugget rest room jobsworth…a bit of a no brainer there?..
Certainly not someone like you. I don’t want someone who will bend my motors, wallop through my fuel and damage loads by charging around and put my O license at risk, spend half their day sat in every DVSA checkpoint because their antics have got my company a yellow or red rating on the traffic light scale…
There’s getting the job done then there’s people like you.
You also may think you’re earning a fortune compared to others but I’d be very doubtful. You may have a higher turnover but I bet you’re walloping through more fuel, have more repairs and do a lot more hours so per hour and per mile you earn less. Unfortunately people like you are usually too stupid to work out that you are. I wonder how much better off all those companies who run like you do who got caught, lost their business and were fined/jailed are. I wonder how much more money they’re making as they’re pulled into every open DVSA checkpoint to sit there for an hour ■■■■■■■■ themselves wondering what the ministry man will find whilst companies like the one I drive for are waved on by…
Conor:
dieseldog999:
who would you employ if you ran your own smaller business,someone hands on who can just get the job done,or some holier than though nugget rest room jobsworth…a bit of a no brainer there?..Certainly not someone like you. I don’t want someone who will bend my motors, wallop through my fuel and damage loads by charging around and put my O license at risk, spend half their day sat in every DVSA checkpoint because their antics have got my company a yellow or red rating on the traffic light scale…
There’s getting the job done then there’s people like you.
your on a different planet son,just because someone works bent dosent mean they are reckless drivers that bend motors…the rates are the rates ,hence on trip money its flatout there and back…and its always an irish convention in the dvsa checkpoints because everybody knows the score,and theres no point in wasting your day checking toscos and the other beancountes as they will be running legal anyway. the fact of the matter is that the companies that run like this take the dvsa flac as collateral damage anyway and nobody cares… were all happy running bent,and im quite sure theres as many bent trucks due to braindeads loosing concentration due to chronic boredom as much as some mad paddy falling asleep flat out.at meast when were running like this theres a bit of interest and devilment ti the job…so do it if you can handle it,or don’t if you don’t want to…who cares either way. if you haven’t got it in you to pee in a bottle,or perish the thought of actually sleeping parked in a laybye,speed constantly,run bent to suit yourself,and take a bit of flak when your stopped then stick to agency or Tosco type work,if your up for a bit of craic and it suits you,then work the other way.the only drivers who never ever do a single thing wrong seem to be the armchair Vikings that post on here.funny how they never seem to overtake me anywhere?..ive never ever worked for anyone with a smaller family type firm that didn’t run bent to a certain degree. I really must get one of the dashcams for a different perspective…
Issues with loading on break aside, I’m pretty much in the camp that I will bend the rules to suit myself. However if asked by my employer to bend the rules I will only do so if it welll suits me or at a push I work for a family firm that needs a bit of help from time to time and has employed me to be an asset to the company rather than a liability, in the full knowledge that in order to be competitive some times drivers need to take one for the team.
Course as a family company theres going to be a lot more interaction with the staff so if a jobs tight on time I’m your man, as long as I feel these efforts are rewarded with respect and a little backhander on occasion (which brings me nicely back to the reach round mentioned earlier).
Give it a few more years and a UK lorry driver will be almost unemployable.
Its never really crossed my mind about the legality of this. Some days I stick on break whilst doing other work, it depends on what I’m doing. My current job I’m on multidrop so I don’t always get the chance to stick it on break before I leap from the cab. I suppose it hinges on how close I am to my time limit.
So dieseldog, the best of all the Irish contingent…
How many times have you been stopped by VOSA at a check point in the last year or so and how many times have you been caught out? Just be interested to see how much the risk is…
id reckon id just be kinda normal average for the way it works over here for a lot of companies.the big ones run legit,but the smaller ones don’t,and the subbies basically cant or it dosent pay,plus you have to cross the border for to fuel up or it dosent pay either,even when your shipping larne or Belfast.then theres the option of being used as a “milk cow” to transfer your tanks into someone else running in uk so they don’t need to come back again…its just not full of officialdom anywhere near as bad as it is in England. every time im stopped,then I always get a prohibition for not having my abs lead plugged in,(I always run with it unplugged),then simoltaniously I get another paper lifting the prohibition once I jump up and plug it in.,in my book,that gives the beancounter the means of justifying his existence,and hopefully stops him digging and digging till they find something to do me for. ive had prohibitions for the tacho head seals been tampered with on trucks that wernt my own,delayed prohibitions to have the tacho recaliberated,so there goes £100 to get it reset once its checked again,constantly dug up about all the missing miles as I keep cards for England,and across the water,(never the twain shall meet) always the threats of a follow up by friends in n.i.but ive never been done for bad cards,as the cards I keep to show are correct,( if there not,then there binned).id say on average id be pulled every 2 or 3 months anyway for the usual rubbish.moreso if its just 2 day trips to and from England as you can only be running to Holyhead or cairnryan.the the digicard makes it a tad harder,but where theres a will?? theres different attitudes over here and they don’t take the ■■■■■■■■■ so leniently,eg… I think the last prison governor recently quit as he was told he would be shot.anyone that matters over here generally knows someone who knows someone,and that someone is someone you wouldn’t want to see at your door wearing a balaclava.if your not a major player over here,and running as a subbie,then it kinda works like,i know im running bent,dvsa and plod know im running bent,i know that they know,and they know that I know that they know,and so it goes on. some subbies register the trucks in England so the northern plates don’t show up so much,and some have changed to running plain white fridges for the same reason.dfds subbies get it bigtime as plod know that dfds can only get done for the trailers as they don’t own trucks.surely you must get overtaken by irish fridges constantly hence must know the way it is ? I just like trip money and working to suit myself as best I can.the risk is based on how you work things and knowing and proving are two different things,and when they close the road and park every truck that comes off a particular ferryup at castle kennedy to do them 1 at a time,then they can only look for so long,similar to getting a dig coming off the ferry into dover etc,theres another ferry coming in behind you 40 mins later,so they cant drag their heels.its not getting any easier,but theres more fun flying by wire if it suits you.
It’s turned into an episode of the Sapranos in here.
I’m so glad I can easily clear £30k without having to do all this ■■■■. If I book over 40 hours for the WTD I’ve worked my ■■■ off 
dieseldog999:
id reckon id just be kinda normal average for the way it works over here for a lot of companies.
I’ve cut the quote but thanks for the answer. If you’re getting pulled every few months here you’ve got pulled up more times in 1 year than I’ve been stopped in 20 so I guess they’re definitely targeting you. Know what you mean about the way it works over there - when I took some wind turbine masts over it was like stepping back into the 70’s until I crossed the border at Londonderry and then going through Buncrana it was like going back to the 60s. 
I’ve not worked the way you have for many a year. I did when I worked for a small firm in the early 90s but its a lot harder to do it over here now. Stopped doing it years ago when I got working for Hygena who did things by the book and realised just how crap and how stressed it made me working like you do. No idea if you’ve ever worked for a firm that runs by the book but if you haven’t you should try it, its definitely better for your health even if its boring as hell sometimes.
Conor:
dieseldog999:
id reckon id just be kinda normal average for the way it works over here for a lot of companies.I’ve cut the quote but thanks for the answer. If you’re getting pulled every few months here you’ve got pulled up more times in 1 year than I’ve been stopped in 20 so I guess they’re definitely targeting you. Know what you mean about the way it works over there -
I’ve not worked the way you have for many a year. I did when I worked for a small firm in the early 90s but its a lot harder to do it over here now. Stopped doing it years ago when I got working for Hygena who did things by the book and realised just how crap and how stressed it made me working like you do. No idea if you’ve ever worked for a firm that runs by the book but if you haven’t you should try it, its definitely better for your health even if its boring as hell sometimes.
+1
Conor:
dieseldog999:
id reckon id just be kinda normal average for the way it works over here for a lot of companies.I’ve cut the quote but thanks for the answer. If you’re getting pulled every few months here you’ve got pulled up more times in 1 year than I’ve been stopped in 20 so I guess they’re definitely targeting you. Know what you mean about the way it works over there - when I took some wind turbine masts over it was like stepping back into the 70’s until I crossed the border at Londonderry and then going through Buncrana it was like going back to the 60s.
I’ve not worked the way you have for many a year. I did when I worked for a small firm in the early 90s but its a lot harder to do it over here now. Stopped doing it years ago when I got working for Hygena who did things by the book and realised just how crap and how stressed it made me working like you do. No idea if you’ve ever worked for a firm that runs by the book but if you haven’t you should try it, its definitely better for your health even if its boring as hell sometimes.
tried Tosco/sains agency for a Cpl years…just found it to be soul destroying where the driver must not show any initiative or hands on option.i personally think it was an insult to my job in so many ways…either you can hack it,or not,and I cant. I did work for the bins in Belfast for agency though,you cleared £50 for a supposedly 8 hour shift,best fun ive ever had driving 4 ■■■■■■ nutjob Belfast binnies around for a few hoursmwatching them use every excuse imaginable so not to have to lift someones bins…each to their own,.
dieseldog999:
Berty:
I said what do want me to do drive for 4 hours get to site put it on break straight away then drive 4 hours back I mean come there would be no p.o.a showing and he just said okI wonder if you will still be working there at xmas…
Im not now got a new job today…
i do it if it suits me…
as do all of you…
its called time management the sooner you get home the better, less time at work more time at home 
Why would u purposely drive without the abs lead?
Mattwoodtransport:
Why would u purposely drive without the abs lead?
Because he’s thick as ■■■■ and doesn’t know what its for.