edd1974:
Daily mail are reporting stobbarts have taken over 2 morrisons sites but doesn’t say.
And there share price has risen to a whopping 8p
They’d do better maintaining p-ieces of 8 by becoming actual pirates, I reckon. 
robroy:
Sixties boy:
I believe Morrison’s Bridgwater is going to Wincanton.Wincanton,.Stobarts,.DHL, there all much of a muchness like all the other up their own arse type ‘Modern logistics’ outfits.
As Roger Daltrey once said…
‘‘Meet the new boss,.same as the old boss’’They basically all ■■■■ the same way in the same type of pot, to put it politely.
I know you are old school Robroy and there is nothing wrong with that but I have worked for both Wincanton and DHL and they are not as bad as you might think - although I suppose it depends on the contract you work on and the view you take to “their” ways of working.
I worked for Wincanton on the Argos contract and that was a good number. Good pay, cushy job, sensible hours - I averaged around 40-45 a week on an 8am start. Only reason I left was I moved further North in the East Midlands region and the commute was too far.
I currently work for DHL on a contract for a high street retailer and in the 8 years I’ve been in the industry it is by the far the best I’ve had. Again, excellent pay (North of £31,500), 9am starts for me, short hours - I average 35-40 but paid for 43.5, excellent T&C’s and perks. As you have brought up many times both these jobs were heavily unionised, hence the good T&C’s.
The downside to both companies from an “old school” point of view is that they are very ■■■■ on “health & safety” and everything having a procedure to it. In my current job we have microlise in all the cabs, however despite you having to log everything e.g when you leave the depot, get to the store/2nd store/other depot etc and it records your driving score/harsh braking etc no-one ever mentions anything about it to you … which begs the question of why they have it but hey ho!
tmcassett:
robroy:
Sixties boy:
I believe Morrison’s Bridgwater is going to Wincanton.Wincanton,.Stobarts,.DHL, there all much of a muchness like all the other up their own arse type ‘Modern logistics’ outfits.
As Roger Daltrey once said…
‘‘Meet the new boss,.same as the old boss’’They basically all ■■■■ the same way in the same type of pot, to put it politely.
I know you are old school Robroy and there is nothing wrong with that but I have worked for both Wincanton and DHL and they are not as bad as you might think - although I suppose it depends on the contract you work on and the view you take to “their” ways of working.
I worked for Wincanton on the Argos contract and that was a good number. Good pay, cushy job, sensible hours - I averaged around 40-45 a week on an 8am start. Only reason I left was I moved further North in the East Midlands region and the commute was too far.
I currently work for DHL on a contract for a high street retailer and in the 8 years I’ve been in the industry it is by the far the best I’ve had. Again, excellent pay (North of £31,500), 9am starts for me, short hours - I average 35-40 but paid for 43.5, excellent T&C’s and perks. As you have brought up many times both these jobs were heavily unionised, hence the good T&C’s.
The downside to both companies from an “old school” point of view is that they are very ■■■■ on “health & safety” and everything having a procedure to it. In my current job we have microlise in all the cabs, however despite you having to log everything e.g when you leave the depot, get to the store/2nd store/other depot etc and it records your driving score/harsh braking etc no-one ever mentions anything about it to you … which begs the question of why they have it but hey ho!
Ah well, you’re obviously more qualified than me to comment.
An example of don’t believe everything you hear then, 
… but there are different versions of things from other drivers I have spoken to, but everybody has different versions of the same experiences in life.
Still not sure they are the type of firms that I would want to work for though.
Seen Morrison’s gadbrook are going to Wincanton
tmcassett:
robroy:
Sixties boy:
I believe Morrison’s Bridgwater is going to Wincanton.Wincanton,.Stobarts,.DHL, there all much of a muchness like all the other up their own arse type ‘Modern logistics’ outfits.
As Roger Daltrey once said…
‘‘Meet the new boss,.same as the old boss’’They basically all ■■■■ the same way in the same type of pot, to put it politely.
I know you are old school Robroy and there is nothing wrong with that but I have worked for both Wincanton and DHL and they are not as bad as you might think - although I suppose it depends on the contract you work on and the view you take to “their” ways of working.
I worked for Wincanton on the Argos contract and that was a good number. Good pay, cushy job, sensible hours - I averaged around 40-45 a week on an 8am start. Only reason I left was I moved further North in the East Midlands region and the commute was too far.
I currently work for DHL on a contract for a high street retailer and in the 8 years I’ve been in the industry it is by the far the best I’ve had. Again, excellent pay (North of £31,500), 9am starts for me, short hours - I average 35-40 but paid for 43.5, excellent T&C’s and perks. As you have brought up many times both these jobs were heavily unionised, hence the good T&C’s.
The downside to both companies from an “old school” point of view is that they are very ■■■■ on “health & safety” and everything having a procedure to it. In my current job we have microlise in all the cabs, however despite you having to log everything e.g when you leave the depot, get to the store/2nd store/other depot etc and it records your driving score/harsh braking etc no-one ever mentions anything about it to you … which begs the question of why they have it but hey ho!
i’m with DHL…an old couple got confused with the new lane markings coming out of Pompey on Thursday,and hit the rear light cluster on my trailer 
despite me being clear of any blame,i was breathalysed on return to the depot,filled out the accident bumf,and have to do a re-assessment Monday morning 
^^^^^^^^
Just about sums it up my opinions on these type of firms
Some new school leaver or similar breathylising me as a pro driver makes the hairs on the back of my neck spike up 
…who tf do thet think they are,■■
If you think I’m ■■■■■■ on the job, get the Old Bill around, not a problem.
The guy was ‘Cleared at the scene’ of any blame, but do they back him?..Do they ■■■■.
And to tick another box on some chart devised by some job created under employed d/head on more money than the driver, he has to do an assessment for NO valid or real reason.
I rest my case …, how tf did the job ever get reduced to this crap, without it being nipped in the bud by drivers with a bit of self pride and professionalism.
robroy:
Ah well, you’re obviously more qualified than me to comment.
An example of don’t believe everything you hear then,
to, but everybody has different versions of the same experiences in life.
Still not sure they are the type of firms that I would want to work for though.
Exactly, I was just giving you my own personal experience of working for both as that is all can comment on. I know Stobart’s have an appalling reputation and I would never work for them because of the pay but I cannot actually give an honest opinion of how they are to work for as a company because I haven’t been there.
As you say regarding Wincanton and DHL, if they are not the type of company you would want to work for then that’s fair enough as its down to personal preference. E.g I would never want to do nights out and never have done one in 8 years but for those (including yourself) that are happy to then that’s great as we all have different preferences regarding work.
carryfast-yeti:
i’m with DHL…an old couple got confused with the new lane markings coming out of Pompey on Thursday,and hit the rear light cluster on my trailer
Yeah that’s the sort of thing I was referring to when I said that they are ■■■■ about things like that. Seeing as you currently work for DHL then you will be aware its H&S, risk assessment, H&S, risk assessment, H&S, risk assessment, forms, forms, forms!
However taking that aside, if you can overlook the sometimes excessive nature of it then you would struggle to find something better in terms of pay, hours, T&C’s that I mention above in most lorry driving jobs.
andi_cardiff:
Good luck…
Kettering as well, the poor buggers. It was classed as a good easy job. Looking at the state of Stobart lorries now I’m amazed anyone want to use them.dirty, nearly every lorry got a white panel on where it’s been damaged. Then you got the likes of dozy driving for them 
I think that means the end of Morrison’s doing any of their own transport. 3 Northern sites went to Wincanton a year or so back, DHL do Bridgwater and XPO do Scotland.
Why do I think that letter should end with…
‘‘And may God have mercy on your souls’’
I have no idea how long the TUPE process covers you for legally as far as your current terms and conditions are concerned but you can bet your life as soon as that period is up Eddie will be making changes to those - and not for the better!
One ray of hope is that it would appear that Morrisons are keeping control of the planning and will tell ESL where and when they want deliveries made.
Pointy shoes keep their t’s and c’s…then.
tmcassett:
I have no idea how long the TUPE process covers you for legally as far as your current terms and conditions are concerned but you can bet your life as soon as that period is up Eddie will be making changes to those - and not for the better!
All out old tupe drivers are still on the same terms when the contract was taken over and that’s donkeys years now since they were tuped over.
commonrail:
Pointy shoes keep their t’s and c’s…then.
On the contrary - the drivers will be keeping their T’s & C’s because of the protection afforded by TUPE. I think you’ll find it’s actually saying that the planners’ jobs will not be transferring, and they’ll be facing redundancy as their jobs will no longer exist…
simcor:
tmcassett:
I have no idea how long the TUPE process covers you for legally as far as your current terms and conditions are concerned but you can bet your life as soon as that period is up Eddie will be making changes to those - and not for the better!All out old tupe drivers are still on the same terms when the contract was taken over and that’s donkeys years now since they were tuped over.
Same here - my T’s & C’s remain just as they were before the transfer (transfers in my case, as it’s happened to me twice in the past 10 years or so). Some of my fellow drivers have been driving for the same company for even longer than that and they have also retained their contract terms from earlier - 15 or 20 years in some cases.
tmcassett:
I have no idea how long the TUPE process covers you for legally as far as your current terms and conditions are concerned but you can bet your life as soon as that period is up Eddie will be making changes to those - and not for the better!
To be fair, wasn’t it the case beforehand that the hourly rates for full timers at both Morrisons itself and Stobarts themselves - wasn’t that different? I.e. sub-£10ph?
…Interesting thing is, they are not advertising…
If they carry on like this, they will end up having to pay premiums to get block-booked agency cover in like Tescos - won’t they?
They won’t get that for sub £10ph in the South East of England like Sittingbourne is, I would have thought.
Winseer:
To be fair, wasn’t it the case beforehand that the hourly rates for full timers at both Morrisons itself and Stobarts themselves - wasn’t that different? I.e. sub-£10ph?…Interesting thing is, they are not advertising…
If they carry on like this, they will end up having to pay premiums to get block-booked agency cover in like Tescos - won’t they?
They won’t get that for sub £10ph in the South East of England like Sittingbourne is, I would have thought.
I dont know what the permanent full time drivers were on - I would have thought it was decent money but I stand to be corrected on that.
I do know that on agency when I did a few shifts for ADR back in early 2015 and early 2016 out of Burton Latimer it was £9.50 per hour PAYE and the shift times weren’t great, nor long.
Unfortunately they could get away with paying that as its “desirable” easy work so they had no shortage of drivers in there.