Been to oz 3 times I know what a road train is & I know what B doubles look like the ORIGINAL post was Denby`s, very much a b Double, NOT ROAD TRAIN
greek:
Been to oz 3 times I know what a road train is & I know what B doubles look like the ORIGINAL post was Denby`s, very much a b Double, NOT ROAD TRAIN
I know but I was actually agreeing with your post that the idea does’nt seem much good when compared to a decent drawbar outfit.The b double idea is’nt as good when compared to a proper roadtrain outfit like Stan Robinson’s idea either.Hope that’s clarified what I meant.
bit of a strange thing this but why is denby going on about saving mileage and fuel by running bigger trucks when i see his trucks in europe with flatbed trailers running empty quite a lot. bit of hipocrasy there i think (think thats the right spelling 
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i think something has got lost here.
i don’t want denby’s road train, b-doubles, etc on our roads at 44 tons, or 60 tons.
that will take too many jobs, and drive down wages.
but why not let him use them on very light work, with a maximum 10 ton-ish payload? that way it won’t have any effect on the majority of hauliers.
limeyphil:
i think something has got lost here.
i don’t want denby’s road train, b-doubles, etc on our roads at 44 tons, or 60 tons.
that will take too many jobs, and drive down wages.
but why not let him use them on very light work, with a maximum 10 ton-ish payload? that way it won’t have any effect on the majority of hauliers.
But if we could use 60-80+tonners on Euro continental work only we won’t be taking the work off of British drivers at all we’d actually be getting back what we’ve already lost to the foreign operators and rail freight giving much more opportunities for British owner drivers for the reasons I gave above in previous posts.
Carryfast:
limeyphil:
i think something has got lost here.
i don’t want denby’s road train, b-doubles, etc on our roads at 44 tons, or 60 tons.
that will take too many jobs, and drive down wages.
but why not let him use them on very light work, with a maximum 10 ton-ish payload? that way it won’t have any effect on the majority of hauliers.But if we could use 60-80+tonners on Euro continental work only we won’t be taking the work off of British drivers at all we’d actually be getting back what we’ve already lost to the foreign operators and rail freight giving much more opportunities for British owner drivers for the reasons I gave above in previous posts.
not a chance mate. if we can do that, then so could they.
limeyphil:
Carryfast:
limeyphil:
i think something has got lost here.
i don’t want denby’s road train, b-doubles, etc on our roads at 44 tons, or 60 tons.
that will take too many jobs, and drive down wages.
but why not let him use them on very light work, with a maximum 10 ton-ish payload? that way it won’t have any effect on the majority of hauliers.But if we could use 60-80+tonners on Euro continental work only we won’t be taking the work off of British drivers at all we’d actually be getting back what we’ve already lost to the foreign operators and rail freight giving much more opportunities for British owner drivers for the reasons I gave above in previous posts.
not a chance mate. if we can do that, then so could they.
There’s only one way to find out but I reckon that we’d have more to gain by being able to haul two trailers on Continental work than what we’ve got to lose.Just count the amount of foreign wagons running through Dover versus the British ones as things stand now.I,for one, would be one British owner driver who would’nt already be lumbered with the wrong kit for the job unlike all of those foreigners under those regs.For me it would just mean a visit to the first truck dealer with a decent heavy haulage unit for sale whereas they’d be stuck with a fleet of the wrong gear to get rid of first before they could even get started.
The eastern europeans can just buy these heavy haulage tractors and run roadtrains like you carryfast. They have been running modern trucks like us for a few years now.
kr79:
The eastern europeans can just buy these heavy haulage tractors and run roadtrains like you carryfast. They have been running modern trucks like us for a few years now.
and they got nice juicy EU grants.
the germans get €5000 back off the government for each new unit bought in germany.
the spanish get free o’licences if you buy 3 or more units.
we get [zb] all.
limeyphil:
kr79:
The eastern europeans can just buy these heavy haulage tractors and run roadtrains like you carryfast. They have been running modern trucks like us for a few years now.and they got nice juicy EU grants.
the germans get €5000 back off the government for each new unit bought in germany.
the spanish get free o’licences if you buy 3 or more units.we get [zb] all.
So why have’nt the FTA and RHA taken them to the EU court under EU subsidy laws (if it’s true)■■?.The East Europeans have been and still are running 400 hp 4x2 units designed for 40 tonnes gross and there’s not as many German wagons running uk-europe as there are those East Europeans but it still does’nt answer the question of what have we got to lose considering the East Europeans have already got the uk-europe traffic market cornered.British owner drivers versus East European fleets on a traction based 80 tonner + operation they’d have no chance IF we don’t price ourselves out of the job.It’d be ours for the taking.
Mate 
Change the (zb) record.
The FTA and RHA do not have any ■■■■■■■■, their members are the ones who are subbing the work out to Igor and Ivan because they are still earning money from it. The Slavic twins will still take the loads on two trucks for less money than you.
Where have you parked this wonderous beast?
Wheel Nut:
MateChange the (zb) record.
The FTA and RHA do not have any ■■■■■■■■, their members are the ones who are subbing the work out to Igor and Ivan because they are still earning money from it. The Slavic twins will still take the loads on two trucks for less money than you.
Where have you parked this wonderous beast?
It’s in the same place as all the other out of work British wagons because we’d rather sit at home moaning about foreign ones doing all the international work instead of trying to get the market share back.But maybe those FTA and RHA members are looking into your advice and they’ve come up with a figure which says that it’s cheaper to use five East European 18 tonners than two British 40 tonners including on uk cabotage work at least that should solve the problem of the public moaning about large wagons everywhere. 
Change the record definitely but which record.
The reason eastern europeans run 4x2 units is thats the euro standard set up 40t on 5 axles not because they cant afford another axle. In the short to medium term western european companys cant compete with eastern companys on wages. A driver for an eastern euro company will carry food from home and there familys rent mortgage bills etc can be covered from there wages. A british driver working for the same money would pay more for food in britain to keep himself fed while on the road. What would be left wouldnt cover the average british drivers familys living costs ie rent mortgage bills etc. The only way you could live would be if you had no family commitments and lived of cans of beans. If you want to live like that just to drive a big truck round europe you are welcome to it. The eu and the british government have screwed haulage no one else.
The reason eastern europeans run 4x2 units is thats the euro standard set up 40t on 5 axles not because they cant afford another axle. In the short to medium term western european companys cant compete with eastern companys on wages. A driver for an eastern euro company will carry food from home and there familys rent mortgage bills etc can be covered from there wages. A british driver working for the same money would pay more for food in britain to keep himself fed while on the road. What would be left wouldnt cover the average british drivers familys living costs ie rent mortgage bills etc. The only way you could live would be if you had no family commitments and lived of cans of beans. If you want to live like that just to drive a big truck round europe you are welcome to it. The eu and the british government have screwed haulage no one else.
kr79:
The reason eastern europeans run 4x2 units is thats the euro standard set up 40t on 5 axles not because they cant afford another axle. In the short to medium term western european companys cant compete with eastern companys on wages. A driver for an eastern euro company will carry food from home and there familys rent mortgage bills etc can be covered from there wages. A british driver working for the same money would pay more for food in britain to keep himself fed while on the road. What would be left wouldnt cover the average british drivers familys living costs ie rent mortgage bills etc. The only way you could live would be if you had no family commitments and lived of cans of beans. If you want to live like that just to drive a big truck round europe you are welcome to it. The eu and the british government have screwed haulage no one else.
The British driver would’nt be working for the same money because he’d be getting around twice as much as the £1 per mile that they’re usually offering for traction work to pull one trailer and don’t forget that second trailer can run with a lot more payload because it has’nt got the weight of a unit to go with it adding to the gross.It would’nt be in the main contractors interest to try to carve up any further an offer like that.Take the mortgage and rent out of the equation which not all of us have got and if there’s already enough capital in the bank to buy a decent second hand unit capable of running at 80 tonnes + there’d probably be enough left over out of the overheads to buy a decent lunch every day and earn a lot more than that money is earning sitting in the bank doing nothing at 2%.But you’re right about it being the British government that’s screwed haulage but that’s been the case for years but it’s not the eu that’s to blame for that.It’s the rail freight interests.
I bet a pound to a penny you wouldnt get double the rate for running a two trailer truck more like 60%. If you think about it a roadtrain wouldnt cost twice as much to run as a single trailer truck so the freight companys wont pay you double the rate. Most hauliers will tell you rates didnt rise when the 13.6m trailer was introduced or when weights increased but hauliers were expected to offer compliant trucks the haulier is the one who is expected to take the hit 99% of the time.
If you can afford to run at the same rates as eastern europeans because you dont have the bills most of us have fair enough but i dont think you will be able to shell out in hard cash for a replacement truck when the time comes to replace the first truck you have bought with the money you have in the bank now.
If you have the kind of cash in the bank to buy your truck and get set up as an owner driver i would look for something with a better return than buying a truck and running as an owner driver.
One of the reasons the uk international hauliers have suffered over the last few years is the uk manafacturing industry is a fraction of what it was 15-20 years ago wheras Germany France etc in western europe still have a fair size industury. I dont want to start a debate over the rights and wrongs of the Thatcher government and the rights and wrongs of the unions in the 70s and 80s but the fact is theres much less been exported from the uk these days So we are importing more from europe and beyond and the hauliers who bring these goods in will take the fewer loads out we do have cheaply maybe to just cover the boat/ train to do there more profitable loads from mainland europe back here the following week.
Maybe in time the eastern europeans rates will align with western european rates as there economy assimulates with the rest of the eu and we dont let anymore countrys join the eu and use tighter controls on immigration and business practice.
kr79:
I bet a pound to a penny you wouldnt get double the rate for running a two trailer truck more like 60%. If you think about it a roadtrain wouldnt cost twice as much to run as a single trailer truck so the freight companys wont pay you double the rate. Most hauliers will tell you rates didnt rise when the 13.6m trailer was introduced or when weights increased but hauliers were expected to offer compliant trucks the haulier is the one who is expected to take the hit 99% of the time.
If you can afford to run at the same rates as eastern europeans because you dont have the bills most of us have fair enough but i dont think you will be able to shell out in hard cash for a replacement truck when the time comes to replace the first truck you have bought with the money you have in the bank now.
If you have the kind of cash in the bank to buy your truck and get set up as an owner driver i would look for something with a better return than buying a truck and running as an owner driver.
One of the reasons the uk international hauliers have suffered over the last few years is the uk manafacturing industry is a fraction of what it was 15-20 years ago wheras Germany France etc in western europe still have a fair size industury. I dont want to start a debate over the rights and wrongs of the Thatcher government and the rights and wrongs of the unions in the 70s and 80s but the fact is theres much less been exported from the uk these days So we are importing more from europe and beyond and the hauliers who bring these goods in will take the fewer loads out we do have cheaply maybe to just cover the boat/ train to do there more profitable loads from mainland europe back here the following week.
Maybe in time the eastern europeans rates will align with western european rates as there economy assimulates with the rest of the eu and we dont let anymore countrys join the eu and use tighter controls on immigration and business practice.
We’ve always imported more than we’ve exported even in the days before international road haulage and there’s always going to be fluctuations between the level of imports versus exports .But it was the idea of letting foreign carriers deliver our imports instead of collecting them ourselves which took out our merchant navy and we’re now allowing the same idea to wipe out our international road transport industry.There’s nothing stopping us bringing in those loads from the continent and taking those going out at whatever the market rate is.But the rate is already cut to the bone at around £1 per mile and the extra efficiency of a decent doubles outfit would make a British owner driver traction operation more competitive and more viable not less and £1.60 per mile to haul two trailers would probably be more profitable than £1 per mile for hauling one with the added benefit to the main contractor that he gets to throw an extra 6 tonnes or more of payload on the second trailer.But depreciation is one of the costs which has to come out of that revenue in all cases regardless of wether it’s a foreign contractor or a British one but a decent heavy haulage wagon would depreciate slowly enough for me to get enough back on it over the years I’d need to run it for than a standard type unit would especially in an environment where double outfits would be allowed.But if there’s a better way to make a return on the capital outlay needed to run a wagon then everyone on here would have to look for a different type of job and I’d leave the money in the bank.
Your arguments fall down at almost every hurdle, if you can buy an old piece of junk to pull two trailers, so can the former commie bloc drivers. If they want to fanny about with 2 trailers which I doubt, instead a double manned team in your beloved Detroit Diesel powered Liaz or nowadays in a brand new topline Scania or an FH will be ahead of you as you do 10 hours driving, and they will be doing 20 hours in every shift. Or do you want solely British trucks to be able to work longer hours as well?
Oh, by the way, look, no double drive either 
will i get £700-£1200 a week like like i used to get for driving.
NO sod denby
scania245:
will i get £700-£1200 a week like like i used to get for driving.
NO sod denby
ive turned scouse like