Blimey rob I thought you were one of the old school who’d be using the rule right lane turn right there.Don’t say the steering wheel attendants and their road planner mates have finally brainwashed you too.
Of course you use the right hand lane when turning right at a roundabout UNLESS signs or markings say otherwise which you are obliged to obey…it aint complicated.
It’s like the hard shoulder, you do not use as a rule (literally) unless the matrix say otherwise.
The third lane, no hgv.s usually, but on the 621 there is a stretch that hgv.s can use…according to signs and markings.
On the M8 you go into lane 3 to exit at a couple of junctions,…because you are instructed by the signs and markings
The same in this case.
Is it really worth a 4 page debate ffs. , Steve only asked if he was in the wrong, it was answered correctly on page 1.
No he was not in the wrong, he adhered to the signs and markings.
So Carryfast instead of turning it into another 12 page saga, knock it on the [zb] head.
Leave it out.If the ‘signs say’ use the hard shoulder and there’s something sitting on it broken down you use lane 2 if possible.Which leaves the question who really wants to trust hard shoulder running instructions anyway on that basis.IE safety.
While using both lanes of a roundabout to turn right ‘will’ definitely cause exactly the same conflict which the rule right lane turn right is meant to avoid.On that note no the signs don’t specifically order the use of the left lane or the right lanes to turn right.They actually say use ‘either’/‘or’ left ‘or’ right to ‘choice’.In which case,as I said,if the muppets aren’t bright enough to ignore the stupid road planners instructions of ‘the choice’,of left lane turn right,that just leaves the choice of having to join them and stay out of the right lane when turning right.Feel free to follow the same course in the case of hard shoulder running.
I always used roundabouts with multi lanes in the way they used to be marked. If turning right I would use the right lane and as I passed the first exit I moved over one lane, as I passed the next exit I moved into the left lane ready to take the next exit.
If you go all the way around a roundabout in the left lane then it’s no wonder that people will be cutting you up as they go for their exit.
Fatboy slimslow:
I’d like to know how these people are being taught nowadays. LEFT LANE TURN LEFT FROM SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE, TEN AND ELEVEN O’CLOCK with left indicator on. not hard. TWELVE O’ CLOCK IS STRAIGHT ON, no indicator needed. although it’s good manners to indicate your intentions of leaving AN EXIT FROM THE ROUNDABOUT. RIGHT HAND LANE WITH RIGHT INDICATOR ON FOR TWELVE, ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR FIVE AND SIX O’ CLOCK IF DOING A ’ U ’ turn/ divert! all this dumbing down for F1 Ferrari drivers with class one licences NEEDING TO TURN RIGHT IN A LEFT HAND LANE IS PISH! Steve you’re in the wrong many screwdrivers on here need to retake test. TOO SOFT.
Is this coming after your recent “six fifteens on the bounce is legal” post?
you’ve never weekend tramped then? Once you’ve done the workings out, please come back to me. It’s easy driving around this little island of ours, I’m nearly thirty years into it class one, you’ve been doing it longer, it’s not rocket science.
week one! Friday to Tuesday tramping ( I used to night tramp ) no fifteens/ reducers
Week two, Friday to Wednesday. Six fifteens.
Week three! No fifteens/ nor reducers. Easy.
Fri, sat,sun then FIXED WEEK STARTS AGAIN 00:00 sun night/ morning, so mon, tues and Wednesday another three fifteens. Thursday off reduced 24 hours pay back by the end of the third week, blah, blah, blah.
Then another fixed week starts on the following 00:00 hrs sun midnight/ Monday morning.
That’s how to do it! Four tens as well, come on it’s not hard. Defensive driving that’s all it is.
I think I’ve just read the reason why we’ve been inflicted with the dcpc. I have always defended why experienced drivers need not do it, but after a 30 year vet puts up a massive misunderstanding of probably the simplest bread and butter tacho rules, I have to confess I was wrong about it all
Yes you could do 4 tens on those shift patterns, as the fixed week is for driving only.
Duty time is between weekly rests, not part of the fixed week. You can only do six 15’s if you’ve had 3 hours rest on 3 of them. It really isn’t hard mate.
Thought I was reading it wrong but concur the only way to do more than 3x 13+hour working days or 3x days with less than 11hours off between shifts (or 24hour blocks if you prefer) is to have split rests of 3 hours off or more on those other 3 days.
You also no longer need to compensate for reduced daily rest, weekly rest reductions however do need to be compensated for en bloc (in one lump) by the end of the third following week of the weekly rest reductions.
Compensation can be added to a daily rest period (still needs to be en bloc) but does not clear the need to have a full weekly rest period after a reduced one etc.
OMG I’m not even going to edit this post, I’ve bored myself and am off to look at clunge pictures sharpish…
Yep we all need help toote sweet.
Should I use the clockface method as taught originally or follow signs and road markings in the hope everyone else is doing the same. Or a mixture of the two.
If in doubt should I wing it and pay careful attention to my mirrors and proceed with care protecting my nearside as and where safe to do so, or shall I just call me mum.
Decisions decisions, one things for sure at any given time I’m usually at somepoint in the wrong lane and will make allowances for my own shortcomings.
Are the rules slightly different when Max weight or empty, what about when I had police escorts (not the uniform dating site) and they blocked the roundabout for me, should I have been in the right lane or just gone for it whilst at the same time feeling very special.
What if there’s a roundabout with more than 3 exits, omg I’m scared to go back to work now.
Of course you use the right hand lane when turning right at a roundabout UNLESS signs or markings say otherwise which you are obliged to obey…it aint complicated.
It’s like the hard shoulder, you do not use as a rule (literally) unless the matrix say otherwise.
The third lane, no hgv.s usually, but on the 621 there is a stretch that hgv.s can use…according to signs and markings.
On the M8 you go into lane 3 to exit at a couple of junctions,…because you are instructed by the signs and markings
The same in this case.
Is it really worth a 4 page debate ffs. , Steve only asked if he was in the wrong, it was answered correctly on page 1.
No he was not in the wrong, he adhered to the signs and markings.
So Carryfast instead of turning it into another 12 page saga, knock it on the [zb] head.
Leave it out.If the ‘signs say’ use the hard shoulder and there’s something sitting on it broken down you use lane 2 if possible.Which leaves the question who really wants to trust hard shoulder running instructions anyway on that basis.IE safety.
While using both lanes of a roundabout to turn right ‘will’ definitely cause exactly the same conflict which the rule right lane turn right is meant to avoid.On that note no the signs don’t specifically order the use of the left lane or the right lanes to turn right.They actually say use ‘either’/‘or’ left ‘or’ right to ‘choice’.In which case,as I said,if the muppets aren’t bright enough to ignore the stupid road planners instructions of ‘the choice’,of left lane turn right,that just leaves the choice of having to join them and stay out of the right lane when turning right.Feel free to follow the same course in the case of hard shoulder running.
Are you serious, did you really think I meant carry on regardless down the hard shoulder and plough over the top of a parked car. I did not think it necessary to add the words ‘‘Unless there is a hazard’’ I just thought you would suss out what I meant. Ok it is not 100% foolproof but what is.
As for your roundabouts, most of us manage to adapt to unforseen situations, if you can not manage to do that, and find difficulty in reacting to situations that aint my problem.
I don’t believe you have sucked me in to this trivial ■■■■■■■■, I reckon everything relevent has been said on this already, we are all supposedly pros, so we deal with situations.
That’s me done with this, give Rjan a bell, he’ll argue with you for the next few pages.
Ok I aint done
Just saw the comments after our mate got the driver’s hours thing wrong while trying to be a bit clever and failed.
That is why I never make comments on the intricacies and fine point details of drivers hours, …mostly because I aint that interested.
I also have a low boredom threshold when it comes to bullcrap, so I am purely working on a ‘need to know basis’ and I get by on it very well thanks.
I must be doing something right, and I must know enough, as I never get any infringements, …in fact I tell a lie, I got regular internal co. infringements for writing my name over the lines on the old analogue cards… (which just about says it all, and more than I ever could by labelling it all as ■■■■■■■■ )
So to avoid making a prick of myself I never argue about drivers hours on here, because many know a lot more about it to the point of being specialists, …why they would want to kind of baffles me.
robroy:
Ok I aint done
Just saw the comments after our mate got the driver’s hours thing wrong while trying to be a bit clever and failed.
That is why I never make comments on the intricacies and fine point details of drivers hours, …mostly because I aint that interested.
I also have a low boredom threshold when it comes to bullcrap, so I am purely working on a ‘need to know basis’ and I get by on it very well thanks.
I must be doing something right, and I must know enough, as I never get any infringements, …in fact I tell a lie, I got regular internal co. infringements for writing my name over the lines on the old analogue cards… (which just about says it all, and more than I ever could by labelling it all as ■■■■■■■■ )
So to avoid making a prick of myself I never argue about drivers hours on here, because many know a lot more about it to the point of being specialists, …why they would want to kind of baffles me.
Well I’ve always said if you never get infringements, you must be a lazy git…
newmercman:
I always used roundabouts with multi lanes in the way they used to be marked. If turning right I would use the right lane and as I passed the first exit I moved over one lane, as I passed the next exit I moved into the left lane ready to take the next exit.
If you go all the way around a roundabout in the left lane then it’s no wonder that people will be cutting you up as they go for their exit.
That’s what I’ve been trying to tell them but they won’t listen.
But seriously when it reaches the point where road planners are pandering to the lot who use the left lane to turn right there isn’t much choice.IE everyone then has to join in and do it wrong if some/most won’t do it right,to avoid the inevitable situation of exiting traffic conflicting with right turning traffic.Which just leaves the question of at least don’t blame anyone who is ( naively ) trying to use a roundabout properly.
Dipper_Dave:
Yep we all need help toote sweet.
Should I use the clockface method as taught originally or follow signs and road markings in the hope everyone else is doing the same. Or a mixture of the two.
^ This is the situation of chaos on the roads that the road planners have created.
F-reds:
Where is our resident Advanced Decepticon Interceptor Instructor Instructor when you need him?
Must be worrying our colonial cousins again… Shame
You can bet that ROG might have been able to provide some reasons for it all.If only there were any sensible reasons as to why road planners say use the left lane of a roundabout to turn right when drivers are correctly taught to use the right lane.His silence probably says it all in that regard.
robroy:
Are you serious, did you really think I meant carry on regardless down the hard shoulder and plough over the top of a parked car. I did not think it necessary to add the words ‘‘Unless there is a hazard’’ I just thought you would suss out what I meant. Ok it is not 100% foolproof but what is.
No the point was ‘instructions’ as opposed to orders mean zb all whether it’s ‘the hazard’ of going along with the dangerous ‘choice’ of hard shoulder running or the ‘hazard’ of going along with the dangerous ‘choice’ of using the left lane of a roundabout to turn right. Bearing in mind that in both cases the instruction use hard shoulder or use left lane of a roundabout to turn right aren’t orders which have to be adhered to regardless.In both cases no one is going to be prosecuted for ignoring the bs ‘instructions’ and using the road the way it’s supposed to be used.
The problem in this case being the combination of steering wheel attendants who don’t want to use roundabouts properly and road planners who haven’t got a clue.
robroy:
Ok I aint done
Just saw the comments after our mate got the driver’s hours thing wrong while trying to be a bit clever and failed.
That is why I never make comments on the intricacies and fine point details of drivers hours, …mostly because I aint that interested.
I also have a low boredom threshold when it comes to bullcrap, so I am purely working on a ‘need to know basis’ and I get by on it very well thanks.
I must be doing something right, and I must know enough, as I never get any infringements, …in fact I tell a lie, I got regular internal co. infringements for writing my name over the lines on the old analogue cards… (which just about says it all, and more than I ever could by labelling it all as ■■■■■■■■ )
So to avoid making a prick of myself I never argue about drivers hours on here, because many know a lot more about it to the point of being specialists, …why they would want to kind of baffles me.
Well I’ve always said if you never get infringements, you must be a lazy git…
Assume you want to take the M271(S), which is turning right by the way, so which lane would you pick?
P.S. Please please please try and keep your answer brief…
Maybe go out armed with a can of blue and white spray paint and paint out the M271 S in the left left lane just making it M271 N. While also removing M27 E on the basis that if anyone is using that junction at that point to go in either direction on the M27 should they really be driving anything at all.
Having said that changing it to left lane M27 W and M271 S only and right lane M271 N only would be a laugh just to see what happens.Which isn’t a lot worse than what they’ve got there now.
Seriously as I said if the road planners have made it left lane turn right on any roundabout only a mug would then use it properly by using right lane turn right.
It’s almost sounding like you’d pick the left hand lane to turn right, which would be the smart move! as if you picked the right lane, you’d end up with traffic also going around the roundabout on your left (n/s), and when you ended up on the M271(s), you’d be in the overtaking lane looking a bit silly!
This junction used to follow your logic, where the sign used to say use the left lane to turn left and go straight over, and only the right lane went right on to the M271(s). But it was changed due to the need for more capacity to turn right, and stop traffic queuing on the slip road all the way back to the motorway. You would still get the odd cheeky sod in a car trying to turn right from the left lane if they could nip in in front of a slower vehicle like a truck. But what was more dangerous was the rare occasion of the left lane being queued up and someone coming up the right wanting to turn left, as that left turn is a dual carriage way… Now that’s fine as long as the traffic in the left lane actually wants to turn left, but while unlikely, traffic in that lane still has the option of carrying on to the next exit (i.e. straight over).
So in summary, the new layout is in the most part safer and works better with traffic demand!
See, you can turn right from the left lane!
Meanwhile in places where they don’t mind spending a few bob to do the job properly.No problems with capacity or trucks T boning each other on the exit of a poxy roundabout here.
There is however the risk of going over. Belgium is a bad example to use, their roads are truly awful, so not sure where you get the ‘spending a few bob’ from!
switchlogic:
There is however the risk of going over. Belgium is a bad example to use, their roads are truly awful, so not sure where you get the ‘spending a few bob’ from!
Blimey you’re avin a larf if you’re really trying to suggest that there’s anything wrong with that interchange layout v the joke that is the M1/M62 effort.
While to be fair Belgium’s motorway’s were some of the best in Europe and still are at least in terms of design and layout.Until that is the East Euro invasion among others,like everyone else,going for a cheap un tolled alternative to the French autoroutes,happened.At which point it isn’t surprising that the road surfaces were/are falling apart quicker than they could fix them.
Anybody got The Samaritans number? Think I’ll give em a bell.
That bottle of paracetomol is looking more and more attractive, and even if they don’t top me, they may fix my headache after banging it against the ■■■■ wall.
, Steve only asked if he was in the wrong, it was answered correctly on page 1.
not hard. 
TWELVE O’ CLOCK IS STRAIGHT ON, no indicator needed. 
although it’s good manners to indicate your intentions of leaving AN EXIT FROM THE ROUNDABOUT. RIGHT HAND LANE WITH RIGHT INDICATOR ON FOR TWELVE, ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR FIVE AND SIX O’ CLOCK IF DOING A ’ U ’ turn/ divert! 
all this dumbing down for F1 Ferrari drivers with class one licences NEEDING TO TURN RIGHT IN A LEFT HAND LANE IS PISH! Steve you’re in the wrong 
But what was more dangerous was the rare occasion of the left lane being queued up and someone coming up the right wanting to turn left, as that left turn is a dual carriage way… Now that’s fine as long as the traffic in the left lane actually wants to turn left, but while unlikely, traffic in that lane still has the option of carrying on to the next exit (i.e. straight over).