Dipper_Dave:
Not wishing to ramp things up but when planners get it right negotiating the roundabout is a doddle and even favours larger vehicles in peak periods.
Take joing the A34 towards Oxford from the M40 south, here we have 3 lanes available to turn right, yep a triple threat jobby, so after exiting the M40 you can stay in the left lane then take the inside route all the way around and tootle off into the distance as after the exit the outer lane merges into the middle of the 3 leaving the inside one alone.
Ive also taken the outer lane to turn left and done a full 360 if the nearside lane is clogged full of traffic, naughty I know but quite satisfying.
Ive even found myself in the right lane on a two lane to turn right roundabout and judged it as unsafe to attempt to move over so gone all the way round again allowing me to change into the correct lane at somepoint over the otherside.
One time in my youth I drove straight over the grass on the roundabout, bit of a police chase scenario so lane discipline was out the window as well as most of me stash
This. As a truck it makes sense to be as far left as possible otherwise coming off you’ll be stranded in the middle lane with the inside lane full of cars. I just go by the signs.
Fleetmotor:
I live near this crappy junction & use it a fair bit. You were right, & he was an impatient (zb), oh & Carryfast is wrong.
I recently came off here westbound in lane2 & as I approached the northbound exit (to M1 nth) there were 5 vehicles in Lane 1 incl. a Morrisons artic wanting to turn across me for M62 east. We were all in correct lanes. As they were waiting first, I let them go & just sat in lane 2 with my left indicator on waiting for them all to clear.
If I’m wrong why were you,as Evil would say, in the ‘wrong sodding lane’ in that case.
And that’s supposedly better than using the left hand lane like every one else.Because getting blocked in the right hand lane,if not colliding with traffic using the left lane to turn right,when trying to exit the roundabout,supposedly helps ‘traffic flow’.
While if I’m wrong why were you,as Evil would say,in the ‘wrong sodding lane’ when you should have been in the left lane like everyone else to stop traffic being on your nearside through the roundabout.
So let’s get this right.You were using the right lane to turn right.
But you’re having a go at me for saying that the right lane should be used to turn right and change lane on exit and if traffic is using the left lane to turn right they might as well blank out the right lane on safety grounds.
Evil says that traffic should use both lanes to turn right to help traffic flow.But when the inevitable traffic conflict happens Evil also says that anyone using the right lane to turn right is a ‘bellend’ in the ‘wrong sodding lane’ because trucks should use the left lane to turn right at roundabouts anyway.
Or have I missed something.
No, people in the right hand lane that want to turn left before their exit, are “in the wrong sodding lane!” Everyone else is fine…
Yes, you do seem to be missing something…
There are many roundabouts where exits have 2 lanes, so the traffic in the left lane has the option to take an earlier exit, or (if directed) carry on around the roundabout eventually exiting in the left of those 2 lanes. The traffic in the next lane to the right, can also exit on that turning, but needs to use the right of those 2 lanes. All I was saying when this fiasco started, was that of those 2 lanes, I want to be in the left one!
Let’s get this right.If you’re turning left you’re supposed to use only the left lane to turn left even if there are two lanes on the left exit.
The reasons for that will be clear in the case of going straight on.In which case unless it’s a marked left lane filter you also use the left lane to go straight on.Although you can also use the right lane to go straight on if it’s a two lane exit.‘That’s’ the ‘only’ time when more than one lane on the exit matters.
Feel free to use the right lane to turn left or left lane to turn right in all cases. But eventually you will get into conflict with someone going straight on.Either in the left lane going straight on in the case of using the right lane to turn left. Or someone in the right lane going straight on in the case of a two lane exit.
Or,as in this case,someone taking the exit before yours as part of a right hand turn using the correct right hand land to do it. On that not explain what you mean about the driver going from M62 W to M1 N supposedly being in the ‘wrong lane’ and supposedly turning left ‘before his exit’.When what he was obviously doing was using a roundabout by the book in using the right lane to turn right and change lanes on the exit.Which is obviously going to end in tears when we’ve got bellends,whether road planners,or drivers,who think it’s ok to use the left lane to turn right and at which point using the right lane ( correctly ) to turn right,or to go straight on in the case of a two lane exit,becomes a dangerous lottery.
Carryfast:
Let’s get this right.If you’re turning left you’re supposed to use only the left lane to turn left even if there are two lanes on the left exit.
Carryfast:
Let’s get this right.If you’re turning left you’re supposed to use only the left lane to turn left even if there are two lanes on the left exit.
No, no, and no!!!
WTF are you smoking?
Hi Evil, meet Carryfast.
He hasn’t driven a truck in anger since they were steam powered, his views on the our road networks are to be…erm…ignored. Always.
Carryfast:
Let’s get this right.If you’re turning left you’re supposed to use only the left lane to turn left even if there are two lanes on the left exit.
No, no, and no!!!
WTF are you smoking?
Blimey so in addition to using the left lane to turn right are you now also saying use the right lane to turn left if the left exit has two lanes.
Bearing in mind the predictable chaos that we’ve already got in the case of left lane turn right.What could possibly go wrong.It’s obviously not me who’s smoking anything.
Carryfast:
Let’s get this right.If you’re turning left you’re supposed to use only the left lane to turn left even if there are two lanes on the left exit.
No, no, and no!!!
WTF are you smoking?
Blimey so in addition to using the left lane to turn right are you now also saying use the right lane to turn left if the left exit has two lanes.
Bearing in mind the predictable chaos that we’ve already got in the case of left lane turn right.What could possibly go wrong.It’s obviously not me who’s smoking anything.
No Carry, what he is saying is use a combination of common sense and road signs and markings and every roundabout as the layout intends it to be. We don’t have any ‘predictable chaos’ and everything works fine most of the time.
Common sense says use left lane to turn left and/or go straight on.
Use right lane to turn right.Or to go straight on if there is more than one lane on the exit,which in many cases it’s impossible to know until reaching the exit anyway.
While no one with any ‘common sense’ wants to be in the right lane on any roundabout that’s marked out as left lane turn right.It’s not rocket science to understand why in all cases.
Carryfast:
Let’s get this right.If you’re turning left you’re supposed to use only the left lane to turn left even if there are two lanes on the left exit.
No, no, and no!!!
WTF are you smoking?
Blimey so in addition to using the left lane to turn right are you now also saying use the right lane to turn left if the left exit has two lanes.
Bearing in mind the predictable chaos that we’ve already got in the case of left lane turn right.What could possibly go wrong.It’s obviously not me who’s smoking anything.
CF, I’m starting to think your are deliberately trying to misunderstand what I’ve said, and twist it to me saying something else…
Can I suggest you check your prescription, take an extra dose and read everything again from the beginning!
Carryfast:
Let’s get this right.If you’re turning left you’re supposed to use only the left lane to turn left even if there are two lanes on the left exit.
No, no, and no!!!
WTF are you smoking?
Blimey so in addition to using the left lane to turn right are you now also saying use the right lane to turn left if the left exit has two lanes.
Bearing in mind the predictable chaos that we’ve already got in the case of left lane turn right.What could possibly go wrong.It’s obviously not me who’s smoking anything.
CF, I’m starting to think your are deliberately trying to misunderstand what I’ve said, and twist it to me saying something else
You’re the one making all the silly arguments regarding roundabout procedures.
So as I said the amount of lanes on the exit means absolutely zb all in most cases.‘Except’ in the case of going straight on.Which obviously doesn’t apply at the M62/M1 interchange anyway unless someone is lost.
So which part of left lane turn left and right lane turn right have I got wrong in that case.Other than what the road planners have decided which then logically means forget about using the right lane unless anyone wants to get involved in inevitable conflict with right turning traffic using the left lane to turn right.Even though right lane turn right is unarguably the correct way to use a roundabout.In just the same way that use left lane to turn left and to go straight on,is.
eagerbeaver:
Please stop. A man was in the wrong lane. Move along.
To be fair it’s more a case of the road planners have made the right lane the wrong lane and being in,what is thereby,the wrong lane,but which would/should be the right lane,is likely to create conflict with those in the right lane,but which would/should be the wrong lane.The conclusion being use the left lane and stay well out of the ‘right’ lane of that roundabout when turning right.
eagerbeaver:
Please stop. A man was in the wrong lane. Move along.
To be fair it’s more a case of the road planners have made the right lane the wrong lane and being in,what is thereby,the wrong lane,but which would/should be the right lane,is likely to create conflict with those in the right lane,but which would/should be the wrong lane.The conclusion being use the left lane and stay well out of the ‘right’ lane of that roundabout when turning right.
This is the fundamental problem. The M62 slip shows 2 lanes, both marked M1n. The M1 slip has 2 lanes, both marked M62e. Neither lanes on the roundabout are marked up with anything. Technically both parties entered the roundabout correctly, but technically again were both in the wrong lane. Steve shouldn’t be turning right, crossing an exit in the left hand lane, and the Langdons driver shouldn’t be exiting left from lane 2. Both feel in the right as the only signage implied they both had choice of either lanes.
However, Langdons should have foreseen the situation and acted accordingly. In an ideal world the lanes would be marked on the roundabout, left hand for M1 and right hand for M62, and let people change lanes accordingly, or widen it to 3 lanes allowing the centre lane to be for both routes. I think I’ve seen a near miss almost every time I’ve used it
OVLOV JAY:
the Langdons driver shouldn’t be exiting left from lane 2.
Even going by the bonkers road layout,let alone the correct way to turn right at a roundabout,how is he supposed to get from the ( what should be correct ) right hand lane of the roundabout to the exit of the roundabout,without doing it from the right hand lane.The problem being traffic using the left hand lane to turn right thereby blocking traffic in the right hand lane from exiting the roundabout.
IE they shouldn’t be there because the left hand lane of a roundabout is only supposed to be used to turn left or to go straight on.At least it would be if it wasn’t for the road planners who’ve marked out the roundabout which at best will only work safely if they blank out the right lane.
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You can tell you’ve been retired for about 100 years. Sorry Carry old fruit but it’s a very different world out there for a truck driver than the one you remember from decades past.
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I’m in the same boat re: retirement, but have managed to keep up. I think cf must be linked to islamic roundabouts of 700 years ago.
I’d like to know how these people are being taught nowadays. LEFT LANE TURN LEFT FROM SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE, TEN AND ELEVEN O’CLOCK with left indicator on. not hard. TWELVE O’ CLOCK IS STRAIGHT ON, no indicator needed. although it’s good manners to indicate your intentions of leaving AN EXIT FROM THE ROUNDABOUT. RIGHT HAND LANE WITH RIGHT INDICATOR ON FOR TWELVE, ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR FIVE AND SIX O’ CLOCK IF DOING A ’ U ’ turn/ divert! all this dumbing down for F1 Ferrari drivers with class one licences NEEDING TO TURN RIGHT IN A LEFT HAND LANE IS PISH! Steve you’re in the wrong many screwdrivers on here need to retake test. TOO SOFT.
TWELVE O’ CLOCK IS STRAIGHT ON, no indicator needed. 
although it’s good manners to indicate your intentions of leaving AN EXIT FROM THE ROUNDABOUT. RIGHT HAND LANE WITH RIGHT INDICATOR ON FOR TWELVE, ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR FIVE AND SIX O’ CLOCK IF DOING A ’ U ’ turn/ divert! 
all this dumbing down for F1 Ferrari drivers with class one licences NEEDING TO TURN RIGHT IN A LEFT HAND LANE IS PISH! Steve you’re in the wrong 
TOO SOFT. 