Evil8Beezle:
If the left lane turns right, how can the right lane do anything else■■?P.S. I’m out…
Here’s a clue it can’t because the traffic turning right in the left lane stops it exiting the roundabout at least without an argument or a collision.
I rescind my previous being a bit harsh comment CF, it’s a deeply worrying character flaw you have of twisting and turning like a fish on a hook in your desperate need to have the final say even if it means just posting lines and lines of tripe.
You were wrong originally, you’re still wrong now and no amount of rhetoric will make you any less wrong.
the maoster:
I rescind my previous being a bit harsh comment CF, it’s a deeply worrying character flaw you have of twisting and turning like a fish on a hook in your desperate need to have the final say even if it means just posting lines and lines of tripe.You were wrong originally, you’re still wrong now and no amount of rhetoric will make you any less wrong.
Blimey all I said was if we must have traffic using the left lane of a roundabout to turn right it logically makes using the right lane pointless.Unless you want to go round and round the roundabout waiting for a break in the traffic turning right in the left lane,to exit it.Feel free to use the right lane to turn right in that case and get called a bellend by Evil for being in the ‘wrong sodding lane’. 
Blimey, Carryfast is on one and no sign of Rjan yet. I’m sure he’ll be along soon, telling us if we were in a union the shop steward wouldn’t let us use that junction 
Thank ■■■■ Albion 1971 or whatever he is aint around By Christ we’d be here till sodding Xmas with this thread 
OVLOV JAY:
Blimey, Carryfast is on one and no sign of Rjan yet. I’m sure he’ll be along soon, telling us if we were in a union the shop steward wouldn’t let us use that junction
Oh, don’t worry, I’m waiting in the wings!
And remember, being “in a union” is not the same as being willing to stand together.
If there are two lanes to turn right at, heavies should use the nearside one, to let stupid cage drivers use the offside one, as they can pass heavies more easily. If a heavy uses the offside lane they risk cage drivers sitting in their blinds pot.
I always use the maxim at junctions “keep the ■■■■■■■■■ on the offside where you can see 'em!”
Bugger I’ve lost track of what I was going to say now, carry-on without me guys.
Ignoring the normal mindless babbling from the usual suspect for a moment, I have noticed that it increasingly seen as the norm when coming off a roundabout onto a dual carriageway that many drivers remain in the right-hand lane on the roundabout and join the dual carriageway also in the right-hand lane, despite their being nothing to their left.
I assume it’s just abject stupidity, but there are lorry drivers out there who do it too, such as the half-witted fool on the A45 a few days ago who managed exactly this despite the nearest other vehicle being about 300 yards away.
As you were both driving a lorry, you were both wrong. Don’t ask why, it’s just because. 
I live near this crappy junction & use it a fair bit. You were right, & he was an impatient (zb), oh & Carryfast is wrong.
I recently came off here westbound in lane2 & as I approached the northbound exit (to M1 nth) there were 5 vehicles in Lane 1 incl. a Morrisons artic wanting to turn across me for M62 east. We were all in correct lanes. As they were waiting first, I let them go & just sat in lane 2 with my left indicator on waiting for them all to clear.
The Sarge:
If there are two lanes to turn right at, heavies should use the nearside one, to let stupid cage drivers use the offside one
No one wants to be using the right hand lane to turn right here.Unless they want to keep going round the roundabout in circles and upset people like Evil. On that note as I’ve said if there are two lanes to turn right at a roundabout no one with any sense wants to be in the right hand one they might as well blank it out.
Fleetmotor:
I live near this crappy junction & use it a fair bit. You were right, & he was an impatient (zb), oh & Carryfast is wrong.
I recently came off here westbound in lane2 & as I approached the northbound exit (to M1 nth) there were 5 vehicles in Lane 1 incl. a Morrisons artic wanting to turn across me for M62 east. We were all in correct lanes. As they were waiting first, I let them go & just sat in lane 2 with my left indicator on waiting for them all to clear.
If I’m wrong why were you,as Evil would say, in the ‘wrong sodding lane’ in that case.
And that’s supposedly better than using the left hand lane like every one else.Because getting blocked in the right hand lane,if not colliding with traffic using the left lane to turn right,when trying to exit the roundabout,supposedly helps ‘traffic flow’.
While if I’m wrong why were you,as Evil would say,in the ‘wrong sodding lane’ when you should have been in the left lane like everyone else to stop traffic being on your nearside through the roundabout.
So let’s get this right.You were using the right lane to turn right.
But you’re having a go at me for saying that the right lane should be used to turn right and change lane on exit and if traffic is using the left lane to turn right they might as well blank out the right lane on safety grounds.
Evil says that traffic should use both lanes to turn right to help traffic flow.But when the inevitable traffic conflict happens Evil also says that anyone using the right lane to turn right is a ‘bellend’ in the ‘wrong sodding lane’ because trucks should use the left lane to turn right at roundabouts anyway.
Or have I missed something. 
Carryfast:
Fleetmotor:
I live near this crappy junction & use it a fair bit. You were right, & he was an impatient (zb), oh & Carryfast is wrong.
I recently came off here westbound in lane2 & as I approached the northbound exit (to M1 nth) there were 5 vehicles in Lane 1 incl. a Morrisons artic wanting to turn across me for M62 east. We were all in correct lanes. As they were waiting first, I let them go & just sat in lane 2 with my left indicator on waiting for them all to clear.If I’m wrong why were you,as Evil would say, in the ‘wrong sodding lane’ in that case.
And that’s supposedly better than using the left hand lane like every one else.Because getting blocked in the right hand lane,if not colliding with traffic using the left lane to turn right,when trying to exit the roundabout,supposedly helps ‘traffic flow’.
While if I’m wrong why were you,as Evil would say,in the ‘wrong sodding lane’ when you should have been in the left lane like everyone else to stop traffic being on your nearside through the roundabout.
So let’s get this right.You were using the right lane to turn right.
But you’re having a go at me for saying that the right lane should be used to turn right and change lane on exit and if traffic is using the left lane to turn right they might as well blank out the right lane on safety grounds.
Evil says that traffic should use both lanes to turn right to help traffic flow.But when the inevitable traffic conflict happens Evil also says that anyone using the right lane to turn right is a ‘bellend’ in the ‘wrong sodding lane’ because trucks should use the left lane to turn right at roundabouts anyway.
Or have I missed something.
No, people in the right hand lane that want to turn left before their exit, are “in the wrong sodding lane!” Everyone else is fine…
Yes, you do seem to be missing something…
There are many roundabouts where exits have 2 lanes, so the traffic in the left lane has the option to take an earlier exit, or (if directed) carry on around the roundabout eventually exiting in the left of those 2 lanes. The traffic in the next lane to the right, can also exit on that turning, but needs to use the right of those 2 lanes. All I was saying when this fiasco started, was that of those 2 lanes, I want to be in the left one!
Not wishing to ramp things up but when planners get it right negotiating the roundabout is a doddle and even favours larger vehicles in peak periods.
Take joing the A34 towards Oxford from the M40 south, here we have 3 lanes available to turn right, yep a triple threat jobby, so after exiting the M40 you can stay in the left lane then take the inside route all the way around and tootle off into the distance as after the exit the outer lane merges into the middle of the 3 leaving the inside one alone.
Ive also taken the outer lane to turn left and done a full 360 if the nearside lane is clogged full of traffic, naughty I know but quite satisfying.
Ive even found myself in the right lane on a two lane to turn right roundabout and judged it as unsafe to attempt to move over so gone all the way round again allowing me to change into the correct lane at somepoint over the otherside.
One time in my youth I drove straight over the grass on the roundabout, bit of a police chase scenario so lane discipline was out the window as well as most of me stash
Because I cant be bothered to read all of the responses by CF or containing quotes from CF, so I may have missed a few things. So if this has been mentioned then apologies.
When trucks try to exit onto the N/B M1 from that roundabout, with traffic on their nearside, as Steve was to this Knob, they find that the entry slip road they’re travelling along goes from 2 to 1 lane within about 200 yds from the roundabout, and not having attained enough speed to clear traffic to their nearside they then have to carve in on it as their lane ends.
Here’s an answer, when you get to the top of the M62 w/b exit slip, be in the left lane of the 2 lanes entering the junction, as both are signed for Leeds ei N/B M1. leaving the righthand lane for car drivers, that way, when you get to your exit from the roundabout, you don’t have to either, cut up another driver trying to legitimately go round to the M62 E/B or cut across another driver as you find your lane disappearing 200yds down the slip road. As with many others on here, we see this scenario at this and other junctions on a daily basis Unfortunately not all professionals are equal
Kerragy:
I blame the EU. They should have mandated that we drive on the right when they had the chance, then everybody would have been in the correct lane and facing the right way.
apparently now that BREXIT is being implemented,then as Ireland despises the uk and likes to do anything it can to take the opposing side against it then the republic of Ireland has debated sucessfully to have cars driving on the right hand side of the road by the year 2020…if it all goes well,then they will have the trucks and buses driving on the right hand side also by 2025…
When I read Steve’s post I initially thought he should have been in the right lane, but I’m glad I didn’t come on and say now that it’s been explained, as I too could have risked the wrath of Maoster 
, and anyway, I didn’t want to be seen agreeing with Carryfast .
. I’ll exempt you from my wrath Rob as you freely admit to tassels on your curtains and wearing flares back in the day, thus taking the pressure off me.
Carryfast:
Dipper_Dave:
CF’s lack of understanding of how roundabouts work aside, I mean ■■■■ that bloke has no clue.Even allowing for Tnuks mantra of turning threads against the OP I have to concede that regardless of poor design, out of synch light phases that leads to traffic battling for the same road space etc. In this instance by virtue of another road user resorting to horn use you are on the highground.
I mean ■■■■■■ lads if 2 pro drivers well aware of each others limitations and contraceptions can’t negotiate a hazard or tricky junction together it’s time to give up.
The question in that case being why do you think it’s better to use the left lane of a roundabout to turn right.
You can tell you’ve been retired for about 100 years. Sorry Carry old fruit but it’s a very different world out there for a truck driver than the one you remember from decades past.