Who was at fault me or him?

Evil8Beezle:
You follow the road marking as the signs/road marking instruct, so if the left lane goes right, then that’s the one I prefer to be in!

As I said which all obviously goes pear shaped when traffic is ‘following the road markings’ that ‘also’ say use the right hand lane to turn right in the usually accepted proven way that actually works.In which case if you want the left lane to turn right at such a roundabout then the right hand lane needs to be taken out.To remove the inevitable resulting potential of conflict between traffic changing lanes to exit the roundabout and traffic using the left lane to turn right.

Dipper_Dave:
CF’s lack of understanding of how roundabouts work aside, I mean ■■■■ that bloke has no clue. :wink:

Even allowing for Tnuks mantra of turning threads against the OP I have to concede that regardless of poor design, out of synch light phases that leads to traffic battling for the same road space etc. In this instance by virtue of another road user resorting to horn use you are on the highground.

I mean ■■■■■■ lads if 2 pro drivers well aware of each others limitations and contraceptions can’t negotiate a hazard or tricky junction together it’s time to give up.

The question in that case being why do you think it’s better to use the left lane of a roundabout to turn right. :unamused: When 2 pro drivers would be expected to ignore the road planners bs ideas and use accepted roundabout protocol.IE right lane turn right change lanes on exit.In which like the road planners you’ve got the nerve to say I don’t know how roundabouts work.When I don’t ever remember ever getting into such stupid situations because pro drivers in my day knew how to negotiate roundabouts.

Carryfast:

Evil8Beezle:
You follow the road marking as the signs/road marking instruct, so if the left lane goes right, then that’s the one I prefer to be in!

As I said which all obviously goes pear shaped when traffic is ‘following the road markings’ that ‘also’ say use the right hand lane to turn right in the usually accepted proven way that actually works.In which case if you want the left lane to turn right at such a roundabout then the right hand lane needs to be taken out.To remove the inevitable resulting potential of conflict between traffic changing lanes to exit the roundabout and traffic using the left lane to turn right.

So are you saying; instead of having 2 lanes around the roundabout, have one? Can’t see that causing an issue! :laughing:
The point I think you’re missing though, is that if a bellend is in the wrong (right hand) lane, then that’s their problem and should just accept the lap of shame. The problem isn’t the roundabout, it’s the bellend!

I blame the EU. They should have mandated that we drive on the right when they had the chance, then everybody would have been in the correct lane and facing the right way.

Carryfast:
The question in that case being why do you think it’s better to use the left lane of a roundabout to turn right. :unamused:

Although I find it very endearing and may I say ■■■■■■■■ arousing when you confuse posters, in that I have not said its better to use the left lane to turn right at a roundabout. I must say sometimes it is, especially in situations where road markings dictate this possibility or the roundabout exits allow this or even weight dictates this is a good option especially if one is familiar with the roundabout which could be any roundabout and not necessarily the one in this thread. If in doubt left is best, protect your blindside.

When 2 pro drivers would be expected to ignore the road planners bs ideas and use accepted roundabout protocol.IE right lane turn right change lanes on exit.In which like the road planners you’ve got the nerve to say I don’t know how roundabouts work.When I don’t ever remember ever getting into such stupid situations because pro drivers in my day knew how to negotiate roundabouts.

WTF aside, it’s always been the case that drivers of large vehicles may take different lines on roundabouts, the highway code allows for this, going in to deep can leave you vulnerable on your nearside if you pull over to negotiate the central island kerbs.

In the end roundabouts have a rule protocol that where possible we try and follow, everyone is taught the clockface example but and it’s a big but (we are talking Nicki Minaj territory here) sometimes one has to decide on the fly the best route and 2 pro drivers together should be able to cope quite fine with any roundabout scenario. Obviously unless one of those pro drivers is you CF, when back in the day other drivers had to accommodate your shenanigans… :wink:

Evil8Beezle:
The point I think you’re missing though, is that if a bellend is in the wrong (right hand) lane, then that’s their problem and should just accept the lap of shame. The problem isn’t the roundabout, it’s the bellend!

Where do the road markings say that right lane to turn right is any less correct than left lane assuming that road markings are what you’re using to justify your position.Which then leaves the question of who’s the zb wit in the case of using the left lane to turn right.IE truck drivers should be expected to know better than to follow a bs road layout over normal roundabout protocol.Which certainly is right lane turn right change lanes on exit.Suggest you read your highway code in that regard.

While as I said if we’re going to regard right lane turn right as the wrong lane why bother with the right lane at all. :unamused:

It would be helpful to see what signs the “bellend” driver exiting the M62 Westbound had in front of him. Its quite possible (and likely) that the only way he could clear the lights from where he was coming from (M62), without blocking M1 South bound traffic was to stay in the right hand lane. Had he done so then it was his duty to make the change to the left lane without affecting traffic already there.

I don’t really understand why some comment that they would have made him go around the roundabout, why is there any need for any aggression at all, sometimes the roads are like an infants playground and frequently some drivers are like little children…

Dipper_Dave:

Carryfast:
The question in that case being why do you think it’s better to use the left lane of a roundabout to turn right. :unamused:

Although I find it very endearing and may I say ■■■■■■■■ arousing when you confuse posters, in that I have not said its better to use the left lane to turn right at a roundabout. I must say sometimes it is, especially in situations where road markings dictate this possibility or the roundabout exits allow this or even weight dictates this is a good option especially if one is familiar with the roundabout which could be any roundabout and not necessarily the one in this thread. If in doubt left is best, protect your blindside.

When 2 pro drivers would be expected to ignore the road planners bs ideas and use accepted roundabout protocol.IE right lane turn right change lanes on exit.In which like the road planners you’ve got the nerve to say I don’t know how roundabouts work.When I don’t ever remember ever getting into such stupid situations because pro drivers in my day knew how to negotiate roundabouts.

WTF aside, it’s always been the case that drivers of large vehicles may take different lines on roundabouts, the highway code allows for this, going in to deep can leave you vulnerable on your nearside if you pull over to negotiate the central island kerbs.

In the end roundabouts have a rule protocol that where possible we try and follow, everyone is taught the clockface example but and it’s a big but (we are talking Nicki Minaj territory here) sometimes one has to decide on the fly the best route and 2 pro drivers together should be able to cope quite fine with any roundabout scenario. Obviously unless one of those pro drivers is you CF, when back in the day other drivers had to accommodate your shenanigans… :wink:

It’s clear in this case that we’re dealing with a roundabout which is large enough for trucks to negotiate within the seperate lanes.If not we wouldn’t be having this argument because the two vehicles would still have been in line,not side by side,as they should have been anyway.In which case right lane turn right would be the expected protocol.If not then what else would the right lane be there for.Which is why I said if the road planners want a system of left lane turn right then they need to get rid of the right lane to avoid the resulting traffic conflict.

Carryfast:

Evil8Beezle:
The point I think you’re missing though, is that if a bellend is in the wrong (right hand) lane, then that’s their problem and should just accept the lap of shame. The problem isn’t the roundabout, it’s the bellend!

Where do the road markings say that right lane to turn right is any less correct than left lane assuming that road markings are what you’re using to justify your position.Which then leaves the question of who’s the zb wit in the case of using the left lane to turn right.IE truck drivers should be expected to know better than to follow a bs road layout over normal roundabout protocol.Which certainly is right lane turn right change lanes on exit.Suggest you read your highway code in that regard.

While as I said if we’re going to regard right lane turn right as the wrong lane why bother with the right lane at all. :unamused:

FFS, no one is saying the right lane to turn right is wrong! Although you apparently want to get rid of it…
All I have said is that when I have an option to turn right with multiple lanes to choose from, I like to be in the left one! :smiley:
I don’t care if others prefer the right one, just as long as they don’t try to turn off cutting across my lane…

del949:
It would be helpful to see what signs the “bellend” driver exiting the M62 Westbound had in front of him. Its quite possible (and likely) that the only way he could clear the lights from where he was coming from (M62), without blocking M1 South bound traffic was to stay in the right hand lane. Had he done so then it was his duty to make the change to the left lane without affecting traffic already there.

I don’t really understand why some comment that they would have made him go around the roundabout, why is there any need for any aggression at all, sometimes the roads are like an infants playground and frequently some drivers are like little children…

If we’re going to make it the fault of the driver exiting a roundabout,in the event of conflict with traffic using the left lane to turn right,let alone when the road is marked out as left lane turn right as in this case,no one with any sense would use the right lane at all thereby making it pointless.Bearing in mind that the above situation has already created that idea in numerous cases in my view.In that left lane turn right then becomes a necessity to avoid inevitable conflict rather than correct driving practice.In which case I still wouldn’t blame any driver who finds themselves in that situation having used the correct procedure of right lane turn right.

Evil8Beezle:
FFS, no one is saying the right lane to turn right is wrong! Although you apparently want to get rid of it…
All I have said is that when I have an option to turn right with multiple lanes to choose from, I like to be in the left one! :smiley:
I don’t care if others prefer the right one, just as long as they don’t try to turn off cutting across my lane…

My point is that the risk of conflict,in the case of left lane turn right on roundabouts is too great to then make using the right lane viable. :bulb:

While in the case of correct roundabout protocol,if you find yourself in the situation of conflict with exiting traffic,while using the left lane to turn right that is/should be your fault not the exiting driver.IE there is ( rightly ) no provision within the highway code for left lane turn right for exactly that reason. :unamused:

del949:
It would be helpful to see what signs the “bellend” driver exiting the M62 Westbound had in front of him. Its quite possible (and likely) that the only way he could clear the lights from where he was coming from (M62), without blocking M1 South bound traffic was to stay in the right hand lane. Had he done so then it was his duty to make the change to the left lane without affecting traffic already there.

I don’t really understand why some comment that they would have made him go around the roundabout, why is there any need for any aggression at all, sometimes the roads are like an infants playground and frequently some drivers are like little children…

The M1 southbound traffic has a dedicated lane to enter the M1 s/b entry slip so don’t have to stop at the lights. There are 2 lanes to use for either carrying back onto the M62 or to join the M1 n/b. The problem I have with him is he would’ve seen my intentions well before he got to the side of me at the lights with my o/s indicator going on and off and also the fact he come from behind me ( I was waiting at the last set of lights as he had entered the roundabout from the M62) and also that I was pulling away from him at the lights why blast his horn?
Surely common sense would be as I was there before him and had my indicator showing then just pull up just behind me with his indicator showing for someone behind to let him in? It’s like the idiots who squeeze right up the side of you on roundabouts waiting to enter them, you are at the give way first and instead of waiting behind you they squeeze up a gap just wide enough but then risk a coming together when you both set off or clipping your mirror with the back of their trailer :unamused:

Carryfast:
[My point is that the risk of conflict,in the case of left lane turn right on roundabouts is too great to then make using the right lane viable. :bulb:

No, leave the right lane where it is and allow cars and vans to use it who don’t suffer the same blind spot issues as us.

Carryfast:
While in the case of correct roundabout protocol,if you find yourself in the situation of conflict with exiting traffic,while using the left lane to turn right that is/should be your fault not the exiting driver.IE there is ( rightly ) no provision within the highway code for left lane turn right for exactly that reason. :unamused:

If I’m in the correct lane as shown by signage and road marking, it’s difficult for me to be wrong!
And as the traffic is on right, I have a very good view of problems developing and can act accordingly…

Evil8Beezle:

Carryfast:
[My point is that the risk of conflict,in the case of left lane turn right on roundabouts is too great to then make using the right lane viable. :bulb:

No, leave the right lane where it is and allow cars and vans to use it who don’t suffer the same blind spot issues as us.

Carryfast:
While in the case of correct roundabout protocol,if you find yourself in the situation of conflict with exiting traffic,while using the left lane to turn right that is/should be your fault not the exiting driver.IE there is ( rightly ) no provision within the highway code for left lane turn right for exactly that reason. :unamused:

If I’m in the correct lane as shown by signage and road marking, it’s difficult for me to be wrong!
And as the traffic is on right, I have a very good view of problems developing and can act accordingly…

Trust me I see it every day on numerous roundabouts locally where the combination of road planners and drivers with your ideas make using the correct protocol of right lane turn right unviable regardless of vehicle type.On that note no one with any sense is going to use the right lane of a roundabout to turn right in that case and it would be safer for all concerned to remove it.

Carryfast:

Evil8Beezle:

Carryfast:
[My point is that the risk of conflict,in the case of left lane turn right on roundabouts is too great to then make using the right lane viable. :bulb:

No, leave the right lane where it is and allow cars and vans to use it who don’t suffer the same blind spot issues as us.

Carryfast:
While in the case of correct roundabout protocol,if you find yourself in the situation of conflict with exiting traffic,while using the left lane to turn right that is/should be your fault not the exiting driver.IE there is ( rightly ) no provision within the highway code for left lane turn right for exactly that reason. :unamused:

If I’m in the correct lane as shown by signage and road marking, it’s difficult for me to be wrong!
And as the traffic is on right, I have a very good view of problems developing and can act accordingly…

Trust me I see it every day on numerous roundabouts locally where the combination of road planners and drivers with your ideas make using the correct protocol of right lane turn right unviable regardless of vehicle type.On that note no one with any sense is going to use the right lane of a roundabout to turn right in that case and it would be safer for all concerned to remove it.

Excellent, then we can look forward to massive tailbacks due to restricted traffic flow! :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Quinny:
A very common occurrence at that junction, but he as a professional driver should have been in the same lane as you if he was heading north.

Do what I do in future. Set off and match his speed and force him to do a complete circuit of the roundabout again. Then in future he might get into the correct lane if he wants to head north.

Bell end.

Ken.

Agreed. Regularly happens on there. I always use left lane signalling right as you did. Lost count of the amount of times I’ve been either cut up on there, or somebody wanting to head onto the northbound M1 has ended up having to do a lap of honour

Evil8Beezle:
Excellent, then we can look forward to massive tailbacks due to restricted traffic flow! :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

How when the right lane has to stop anyway,to give way to traffic in the left lane turning right,to avoid a collision.Let alone the hold ups caused by the inevitable eventual collisions.Bearing in mind you previously said that the right lane is ‘the wrong lane’ anyway.

While if it’s all about ‘flow’ then you’d obviously want to go along with the idea of right lane turns right and changes lanes on exit.In which case there’s no conflicting traffic streams having to stop and give way to each other on the roundabout.

Carryfast:

Evil8Beezle:
Excellent, then we can look forward to massive tailbacks due to restricted traffic flow! :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

How when the right lane has to stop anyway,to give way to traffic in the left lane turning right,to avoid a collision.Let alone the hold ups caused by the inevitable eventual collisions.Bearing in mind you previously said that the right lane is ‘the wrong lane’ anyway.

While if it’s all about ‘flow’ then you’d obviously want to go along with the idea of right lane turns right and changes lanes on exit.In which case there’s no conflicting traffic streams having to stop and give way to each other on the roundabout.

Did I [zb], stop making crap up…

As for flow, 2 lanes equals double the flow of 1 lane, God this is getting hard! :unamused:
THERE WAS NEVER CONFLICTING TRAFFIC STEAMS, JUST BELLENDS IN THE WRONG SODDING LANE!!! :imp:

Evil8Beezle:

Carryfast:

Evil8Beezle:
Excellent, then we can look forward to massive tailbacks due to restricted traffic flow! :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

How when the right lane has to stop anyway,to give way to traffic in the left lane turning right,to avoid a collision.Let alone the hold ups caused by the inevitable eventual collisions.Bearing in mind you previously said that the right lane is ‘the wrong lane’ anyway.

While if it’s all about ‘flow’ then you’d obviously want to go along with the idea of right lane turns right and changes lanes on exit.In which case there’s no conflicting traffic streams having to stop and give way to each other on the roundabout.

Did I [zb], stop making crap up…

As for flow, 2 lanes equals double the flow of 1 lane, God this is getting hard! :unamused:
THERE WAS NEVER CONFLICTING TRAFFIC STEAMS, JUST BELLENDS IN THE WRONG SODDING LANE!!! :imp:

You say you never said he ( the driver in the right lane ) was in the wrong lane then your final sentence said it again in great big capital letters. :open_mouth: :laughing: As I said if it’s the ‘wrong lane’ ( which it is so long as traffic can use the left lane to turn right ) then close the sodding thing.While two lanes obviously doesn’t equal double the flow because the right lane can’t go anywhere without crashing into the left lane when it tries to exit the roundabout.Which is why you’ve said it’s ‘the wrong sodding lane’.

If the left lane turns right, how can the right lane do anything else■■? :open_mouth:

P.S. I’m out…