osmium:
Mate on pistonheads sent me this way after previous pistionheads / truckent cross threads I was in.
Safety standown in office today, and everyone agreed caravan driver starts the accident but trucker fails to avoid it. Our proffessional considered response was let the bugger in, even if it costs you a few seconds. Our “personal views collated”. Rruckers with dashcams are out to prove a point and are selfish and drive below the standard of the average road user. Thus us mere amateurs should seek to re-instate the give way rules, don’t let truckers out when it is busy, as one of them has let the side down to prove a point. We’ll point counter point. Should know better. Back of the class for you me lad.
If you get a three fingered wave (two in a V for ‘vans’ and one stuck up) for sticking up the arse you’ve been sat on all day the Pistonhead cver’s have spotted ya.
Works both ways, difference is I get paid to wait at a junction all day, office monkey does not
osmium:
Mate on pistonheads sent me this way after previous pistionheads / truckent cross threads I was in.
Safety standown in office today, and everyone agreed caravan driver starts the accident but trucker fails to avoid it. Our proffessional considered response was let the bugger in, even if it costs you a few seconds. Our “personal views collated”. Rruckers with dashcams are out to prove a point and are selfish and drive below the standard of the average road user. Thus us mere amateurs should seek to re-instate the give way rules, don’t let truckers out when it is busy, as one of them has let the side down to prove a point. We’ll point counter point. Should know better. Back of the class for you me lad.
If you get a three fingered wave (two in a V for ‘vans’ and one stuck up) for sticking up the arse you’ve been sat on all day the Pistonhead cver’s have spotted ya.
Problem with that is, you might meet the above driver… Sure, it could be your ‘right of way’, but that won’t mean much when he t-bones you down the motorway.
A little tiny bit of advice, don’t go ■■■■■■■ with vehicles where the fuel alone weighs more than your car, because it can seriously end badly for you
osmium:
Mate on pistonheads sent me this way after previous pistionheads / truckent cross threads I was in.
Safety standown in office today, and everyone agreed caravan driver starts the accident but trucker fails to avoid it. Our proffessional considered response was let the bugger in, even if it costs you a few seconds. Our “personal views collated”. Rruckers with dashcams are out to prove a point and are selfish and drive below the standard of the average road user. Thus us mere amateurs should seek to re-instate the give way rules, don’t let truckers out when it is busy, as one of them has let the side down to prove a point. We’ll point counter point. Should know better. Back of the class for you me lad.
If you get a three fingered wave (two in a V for ‘vans’ and one stuck up) for sticking up the arse you’ve been sat on all day the Pistonhead cver’s have spotted ya.
Just proves that it only takes one bellend and we are all tarred with the same brush.
peterm:
Why is it that so many so called professional drivers on here insist on saying that someone has ‘right of way’ ? I have to admit it’s one of my pet hates. NO ONE has right of way. Someone even posted an extract of the highway code in this thread covering that. Aaah, I feel better now.
“Right of way” has been a term that has been used for many years and will be continued to be used for many years to come, agreed the Highway Code doesn’t state that anyone has the “right of way” but it does state when you should give way to someone, thus giving them the right of way. It’s like a driver saying “I only have 1 15 hour shift left” nowhere does it state there’s a 15 hour shift, only a 9 hour rest in 24 hours but these are exactly the same thing worded differently
And using the term “right of way” encourages thick heads to blast on regardless, thinking that everyone else has to get out of the way because it’s their “right of way.” See what I’m getting at ?
In the road rules book over here it even says that if the driver that’s supposed to give way doesn’t, then the other driver should.
peterm:
Why is it that so many so called professional drivers on here insist on saying that someone has ‘right of way’ ? I have to admit it’s one of my pet hates. NO ONE has right of way. Someone even posted an extract of the highway code in this thread covering that. Aaah, I feel better now.
“Right of way” has been a term that has been used for many years and will be continued to be used for many years to come, agreed the Highway Code doesn’t state that anyone has the “right of way” but it does state when you should give way to someone, thus giving them the right of way. It’s like a driver saying “I only have 1 15 hour shift left” nowhere does it state there’s a 15 hour shift, only a 9 hour rest in 24 hours but these are exactly the same thing worded differently
And using the term “right of way” encourages thick heads to blast on regardless, thinking that everyone else has to get out of the way because it’s their “right of way.” See what I’m getting at ?
In the road rules book over here it even says that if the driver that’s supposed to give way doesn’t, then the other driver should.
If they are thick heads they will blast on regardless of the term used, don’t ya think ■■
Put yourself in the shoes of the owner/boss of this truck. Your truck has been damaged and your load is now late which possibly might incur some kind of penalty for missing a delivery slot. Even when the truck gets back it’s VOR until the damage has been fixed. And if the wheels ain’t turning no one’s earning.
How happy would you be with all that being down to the person you pay to safely deliver your goods having “right of way”
osmium:
Mate on pistonheads sent me this way after previous pistionheads / truckent cross threads I was in.
Safety standown in office today, and everyone agreed caravan driver starts the accident but trucker fails to avoid it. Our proffessional considered response was let the bugger in, even if it costs you a few seconds. Our “personal views collated”. Rruckers with dashcams are out to prove a point and are selfish and drive below the standard of the average road user. Thus us mere amateurs should seek to re-instate the give way rules, don’t let truckers out when it is busy, as one of them has let the side down to prove a point. We’ll point counter point. Should know better. Back of the class for you me lad.
If you get a three fingered wave (two in a V for ‘vans’ and one stuck up) for sticking up the arse you’ve been sat on all day the Pistonhead cver’s have spotted ya.
Might be one I have to re-read later after a beverage or two but seem to agree with it.
Seems im not alone on my theory that dashcam owners will drive more recklessly to either try and create a worthy dashcam moment to justify its excistence or live in a dream state that they think a dashcam will cover their arse when in fact when judged by our standards of purity and high standards of roadcraft the dashcam drama queen will be found equally if not more at falt on a regular basis.
White lane divider lines are there for a reason, the caravan crossed the lines therefore he is in the wrong, its that simple.
I cant see the video but white lane dash lines differ in length and gap, this is to indicate to the driver the greater hazard in crossing them to ultimately no gaps, as in a solid white line were you are as we all know not allowed to cross over.
Ah just seen a screen grab, as I can see the white lines have small gaps indicating it is hazardous to cross, more fool the caravaner for not A, being patient, and B, not knowing the highway code.
Wonder what their insurance premiums will be next year?
windrush:
My missus gets mad at me when I let driver’s across into ‘my’ lane at junctions etc when they have (a) left it late on purpose or (b) have genuinely got in the wrong lane, which we have ALL done at sometime or other and will most probably do again! I tell her that eventually SOMEBODY has to let them in so it might just as well be me, the longer they stay in that lane driving slowly while trying to get across or actually stopped means they are a danger to themselves and other vehicles behind them so the safest thing to do is lose myself a whole nano second out of the day and let them across! She doesn’t see it that way though…
Pete.
Mine gave up after a couple of years. On holiday with narrow lanes, the kids used to ask - “Dad… Why is it always us that has to back up?” I told them that it was because I was the better driver
There seems to be a fair bit of hypocrisy from those saying that the truck/van is to blame. How many of you saying this have said on here that it boils your ■■■■ and you don’t move over when someone on a slip road is joining the main carriageway and tries to bully their way in instead of dropping back? This is the same situation but in reverse. Is anyone honestly saying that if situation was that the caravan was joining a road (ie slip road to main carriageway instead of main carriageway to slip road) in the same circumstances it wouldn’t be completely his fault? And before anyone says that for him to be left on the main carriageway is dangerous, yes it would be but he crossed the chevrons so like someone else has said, why didn’t he just wait there for a gap?
In his position I would have a) planned ahead so not to be in that position in the first place and b) definitely not have forced my way into a small gap with a caravan in tow.
cupidstunt:
There seems to be a fair bit of hypocrisy from those saying that the truck/van is to blame. How many of you saying this have said on here that it boils your ■■■■ and you don’t move over when someone on a slip road is joining the main carriageway and tries to bully their way in instead of dropping back? This is the same situation but in reverse. Is anyone honestly saying that if situation was that the caravan was joining a road (ie slip road to main carriageway instead of main carriageway to slip road) in the same circumstances it wouldn’t be completely his fault? And before anyone says that for him to be left on the main carriageway is dangerous, yes it would be but he crossed the chevrons so like someone else has said, why didn’t he just wait there for a gap?
In his position I would have a) planned ahead so not to be in that position in the first place and b) definitely not have forced my way into a small gap with a caravan in tow.
Thanks for that mate.
Thick caravan fella fault.
Simple.
He shouldn’t have waited for a gap. He should have continue to the next exit.
He was trying to bully his way in, now it’s his problem. Hope he gets what he deserves.
I own a touring caravan, but I definitely don’t tow it in the same way as the plonker in the pink stripey top does.
I have extended towing mirrors fitted when towing (unlike the plonker) so I can see down the sides of my van, so I can gauge when it is clear to change lanes etc.
I don’t try to squeeze into gaps that simply aren’t there (unlike the plonker) as my caravan is also my bed for the night when away and my holiday accommodation for future years.
I read road signs in advance and act on them (unlike the plonker) so as to minimise getting into these sort of situations to begin with.
Most caravanner’s take great pride in their outfits and drive responsibly with consideration for other road users (unlike - … well you get the gist…
cupidstunt:
There seems to be a fair bit of hypocrisy from those saying that the truck/van is to blame. How many of you saying this have said on here that it boils your ■■■■ and you don’t move over when someone on a slip road is joining the main carriageway and tries to bully their way in instead of dropping back? This is the same situation but in reverse. Is anyone honestly saying that if situation was that the caravan was joining a road (ie slip road to main carriageway instead of main carriageway to slip road) in the same circumstances it wouldn’t be completely his fault? And before anyone says that for him to be left on the main carriageway is dangerous, yes it would be but he crossed the chevrons so like someone else has said, why didn’t he just wait there for a gap?
In his position I would have a) planned ahead so not to be in that position in the first place and b) definitely not have forced my way into a small gap with a caravan in tow.
Thanks for that mate.
Thick caravan fella fault.
Simple.
He shouldn’t have waited for a gap. He should have continue to the next exit.
He was trying to bully his way in, now it’s his problem. Hope he gets what he deserves.
What people are saying, isn’t that the trucker is at FAULT, just that he is a ■■■■■ there’s a difference.
Not moving over for someone at 55mph is completely different from accelerating to a collision at 5mph. Not even similar.
He could clearly see the caravanist had ■■■■■■ up, for whatever reason, it would have been far less effort and stress to let him in, literally no effort since all he had to do was nothing, but instead he accelerated up the car in fronts arse, you can hear his engine revving well beyond the green, to make sure that caravanist was going to pay for the gall of having the idea that he’d get in front of the truck.
As I said, a complete ■■■■ and shouldn’t have a licence for a shopping trolley, no regard for human life and didn’t give a crap about blocking off 1 of the busiest junctions in Europe to prove that he’s got a bigger willy
cupidstunt:
There seems to be a fair bit of hypocrisy from those saying that the truck/van is to blame. How many of you saying this have said on here that it boils your ■■■■ and you don’t move over when someone on a slip road is joining the main carriageway and tries to bully their way in instead of dropping back? This is the same situation but in reverse. Is anyone honestly saying that if situation was that the caravan was joining a road (ie slip road to main carriageway instead of main carriageway to slip road) in the same circumstances it wouldn’t be completely his fault? And before anyone says that for him to be left on the main carriageway is dangerous, yes it would be but he crossed the chevrons so like someone else has said, why didn’t he just wait there for a gap?
In his position I would have a) planned ahead so not to be in that position in the first place and b) definitely not have forced my way into a small gap with a caravan in tow.
Thanks for that mate.
Thick caravan fella fault.
Simple.
He shouldn’t have waited for a gap. He should have continue to the next exit.
He was trying to bully his way in, now it’s his problem. Hope he gets what he deserves.
What people are saying, isn’t that the trucker is at FAULT, just that he is a [zb], there’s a difference.
Not moving over for someone at 55mph is completely different from accelerating to a collision at 5mph. Not even similar.
He could clearly see the caravanist had [zb] up, for whatever reason, it would have been far less effort and stress to let him in, literally no effort since all he had to do was nothing, but instead he accelerated up the car in fronts arse, you can hear his engine revving well beyond the green, to make sure that caravanist was going to pay for the gall of having the idea that he’d get in front of the truck.
As I said, a complete [zb] and shouldn’t have a licence for a shopping trolley, no regard for human life and didn’t give a crap about blocking off 1 of the busiest junctions in Europe to prove that he’s got a bigger willy
I’m with the trucker.
That bar steward towing the caravan knew very well what’s happening. He was trying to be smart and he got what he deserves. Hope his premium goes sky high.
cupidstunt:
There seems to be a fair bit of hypocrisy from those saying that the truck/van is to blame. How many of you saying this have said on here that it boils your ■■■■ and you don’t move over when someone on a slip road is joining the main carriageway and tries to bully their way in instead of dropping back? This is the same situation but in reverse. Is anyone honestly saying that if situation was that the caravan was joining a road (ie slip road to main carriageway instead of main carriageway to slip road) in the same circumstances it wouldn’t be completely his fault? And before anyone says that for him to be left on the main carriageway is dangerous, yes it would be but he crossed the chevrons so like someone else has said, why didn’t he just wait there for a gap?
In his position I would have a) planned ahead so not to be in that position in the first place and b) definitely not have forced my way into a small gap with a caravan in tow.
Thanks for that mate.
Thick caravan fella fault.
Simple.
He shouldn’t have waited for a gap. He should have continue to the next exit.
He was trying to bully his way in, now it’s his problem. Hope he gets what he deserves.
What people are saying, isn’t that the trucker is at FAULT, just that he is a [zb], there’s a difference.
Not moving over for someone at 55mph is completely different from accelerating to a collision at 5mph. Not even similar.
He could clearly see the caravanist had [zb] up, for whatever reason, it would have been far less effort and stress to let him in, literally no effort since all he had to do was nothing, but instead he accelerated up the car in fronts arse, you can hear his engine revving well beyond the green, to make sure that caravanist was going to pay for the gall of having the idea that he’d get in front of the truck.
As I said, a complete [zb] and shouldn’t have a licence for a shopping trolley, no regard for human life and didn’t give a crap about blocking off 1 of the busiest junctions in Europe to prove that he’s got a bigger willy
I’m with the trucker.
That bar steward towing the caravan knew very well what’s happening. He was trying to be smart and he got what he deserves. Hope his premium goes sky high.
So would you do the same then?
Would it not be much easier (and more professional ) to just back off a couple of clicks, shake your head, (blast your horn if it makes you feel better) call him a ■■■■ to yourself, safe in the knowledge that you are the better driver. We have all had red mist moments but that was just uncalled for imo.and disproportinal to the situation.
The attitude of that driver (and anybody who thinks he is in the right ) should disqualify them from having a truck license.
Btw if knob head had seriously injured caravan knob head’s wife in the passenger side, would she also have…‘got what she deserved’
cupidstunt:
There seems to be a fair bit of hypocrisy from those saying that the truck/van is to blame. How many of you saying this have said on here that it boils your ■■■■ and you don’t move over when someone on a slip road is joining the main carriageway and tries to bully their way in instead of dropping back? This is the same situation but in reverse. Is anyone honestly saying that if situation was that the caravan was joining a road (ie slip road to main carriageway instead of main carriageway to slip road) in the same circumstances it wouldn’t be completely his fault? And before anyone says that for him to be left on the main carriageway is dangerous, yes it would be but he crossed the chevrons so like someone else has said, why didn’t he just wait there for a gap?
In his position I would have a) planned ahead so not to be in that position in the first place and b) definitely not have forced my way into a small gap with a caravan in tow.
Thanks for that mate.
Thick caravan fella fault.
Simple.
He shouldn’t have waited for a gap. He should have continue to the next exit.
He was trying to bully his way in, now it’s his problem. Hope he gets what he deserves.
What people are saying, isn’t that the trucker is at FAULT, just that he is a [zb], there’s a difference.
Not moving over for someone at 55mph is completely different from accelerating to a collision at 5mph. Not even similar.
He could clearly see the caravanist had [zb] up, for whatever reason, it would have been far less effort and stress to let him in, literally no effort since all he had to do was nothing, but instead he accelerated up the car in fronts arse, you can hear his engine revving well beyond the green, to make sure that caravanist was going to pay for the gall of having the idea that he’d get in front of the truck.
As I said, a complete [zb] and shouldn’t have a licence for a shopping trolley, no regard for human life and didn’t give a crap about blocking off 1 of the busiest junctions in Europe to prove that he’s got a bigger willy
I’m with the trucker.
That bar steward towing the caravan knew very well what’s happening. He was trying to be smart and he got what he deserves. Hope his premium goes sky high.
So would you do the same then?
Would it not be much easier (and more professional ) to just back off a couple of clicks, shake your head, (blast your horn if it makes you feel better) call him a [zb] to yourself, safe in the knowledge that you are the better driver. We have all had red mist moments but that was just uncalled for imo.and disproportinal to the situation.
The attitude of that driver (and anybody who thinks he is in the right ) should disqualify them from having a truck license.
The thing is I don’t know if I would back of couple of clicks. I do that a lot, but sometimes I wouldn’t. Call me what ever you like but it is the caravan driver that’s in the wrong. He should be banned for life. Idiot who doesn’t respect other road users.
If his wife deserves what she got she can only thank her stupid smart ■■■ husband.
Point is Markk there is no disputing that caravanman shared the blame to whatever proportion, but a pro driver driving equally as bad does not put him in the right and he should be pro enough and responsible enough to raise above it. It is what ( is supposed to ) separate us from them. He had an opportunity to avoid a possible serious (re. the blokes Mrs) accident, and he CHOSE not to.
) should disqualify them from having a truck license.