This is complete bullcrap, there wasn’t enough room for the lorry to pull in behind the red van without the vehicle with the video slowing right down.
It’s true that the video vehicle let his speed creep up and closed the gap between himself and the red van but the lorry came from behind and should have pulled in behind him not used the hard shoulder the way he did.
The impression I got was that the lorry driver was determined to bully his way out onto the motorway regardless of who got in his way.
The driver of the vehicle with the camera may not have been 100% perfect, but frankly how anyone can condone the type of reckless driving displayed by the lorry driver is beyond me.
Carryfast: So you’re saying that the drivers of vehicles entering from slip roads have to back off and inevitably stop because they’ve run out of slip road…
The situation is a barsteward alright but, if you look down at the road markings and what they are telling you, I think they would correctly answer your question C/F.
I’m not saying that sometimes traffic entering from a slip road won’t have to give way according to the road markings and ‘current’ ( flawed ) rules.But that’s not the same thing as saying that the give way rule excuses and provides carte blanche for what is dangerous driving,in the case of drivers of traffic in lane 1 of the priority road tailgating and thereby closing down the gaps between traffic which entering traffic needs to merge safely.Especially when that tailgating is accompanied by audio evidence stating that the driver in question is doing it to deliberately obstruct such merging.
However it’s obvious that the situation needs to be dealt with by removing the give way rule for traffic on entry slip roads to one of zip merging applies.Unless that is the law want to see traffic having to enter motorways
form entry slip roads from a standstill on an ever increasing basis considering the types of idiots who seem to be taking the idea of priority and give way lines to a ridiculous extreme.In which case the implications for speed differentials are horrendous.
As for the zb who made the video maybe karma will catch up with the zb when he meets another of his type who takes the idea of obstructing merging traffic to a higher level by changing from lane 2 to lane 1 when he’s trying to enter a motorway thinking that it’s ok because lane 1 is ( was ) clear.
tachograph:
This is complete bullcrap, there wasn’t enough room for the lorry to pull in behind the red van without the vehicle with the video slowing right down.
It’s true that the video vehicle let his speed creep up and closed the gap between himself and the red van but the lorry came from behind and should have pulled in behind him not used the hard shoulder the way he did.
The impression I got was that the lorry driver was determined to bully his way out onto the motorway regardless of who got in his way.
The driver of the vehicle with the camera may not have been 100% perfect, but frankly how anyone can condone the type of reckless driving displayed by the lorry driver is beyond me.
How do you know that lane 1 wasn’t full of tailgating zb’s many probably with the same attitude of the maker of the video which actually proved that he was deliberately shutting down the gap to obstruct the merging truck.The fact is give way at entry slip roads is one thing but traffic being obstructed from being able to merge by bloody minded tailgating zb’s in lane 1 like the maker of the video is another.
As I’ve said the situation is no different to a head on crash on a single carriageway road caused by deliberate blocking/obstruction of an overtaking vehicle from being able to return to the correct side of the road by the driver/s of the vehicle/s being overtaken tailgating and closing up the gaps between them.Or the type of zb who changes from lane 2 to lane 1 in order to block merging traffic at motorway entry slip roads which is becoming ever more common by zb’s like the the one who made the video by taking the idea to an even higher level.
No surprise that the zb has chosen to take it down though considering that it says more about what he did than what the truck driver in question did having run out of options except stop and enter the motorway from a standstill having run out of slip road.However if you’re saying that’s really what you want to see on an obviously ever increasing basis then as they say be careful what you wish for.
tachograph:
This is complete bullcrap, there wasn’t enough room for the lorry to pull in behind the red van without the vehicle with the video slowing right down.
It’s true that the video vehicle let his speed creep up and closed the gap between himself and the red van but the lorry came from behind and should have pulled in behind him not used the hard shoulder the way he did.
The impression I got was that the lorry driver was determined to bully his way out onto the motorway regardless of who got in his way.
The driver of the vehicle with the camera may not have been 100% perfect, but frankly how anyone can condone the type of reckless driving displayed by the lorry driver is beyond me.
How do you know that lane 1 wasn’t full of tailgating zb’s many probably with the same attitude of the maker of the video which actually proved that he was deliberately shutting down the gap to obstruct the merging truck.
The truck wasn’t merging he was trying to bully his way through.
There was never room for the truck to pull in behind the red van and the video car increasing in speed would have left more room behind for the truck to merge properly.
Obviously none of us know what was going on behind the camera vehicle but given the speed at which the truck went past the other vehicles it was clear to me that the lorry driver had no intention of matching the speed of the vehicles on the main carriageway.
Christ he didn’t even slow down when he went past the stationary vehicles even though there was a pedestrian on the hard shoulder
Carryfast:
The fact is give way at entry slip roads is one thing but traffic being obstructed from being able to merge by bloody minded tailgating zb’s in lane 1 like the maker of the video is another.
Without knowing what was behind the camera vehicle suggesting that the truck was deliberately obstructed is pure speculation.
Carryfast:
No surprise that the zb has chosen to take it down though considering that it says more about what he did than what the truck driver in question did having run out of options except stop and enter the motorway from a standstill having run out of slip road.However if you’re saying that’s really what you want to see on an obviously ever increasing basis then as they say be careful what you wish for.
Again saying that the truck would have needed to stop is pure speculation that cannot possibly be substantiated without knowing what the situation was behind the camera car.
tachograph:
This is complete bullcrap, there wasn’t enough room for the lorry to pull in behind the red van without the vehicle with the video slowing right down.
It’s true that the video vehicle let his speed creep up and closed the gap between himself and the red van but the lorry came from behind and should have pulled in behind him not used the hard shoulder the way he did.
The impression I got was that the lorry driver was determined to bully his way out onto the motorway regardless of who got in his way.
The driver of the vehicle with the camera may not have been 100% perfect, but frankly how anyone can condone the type of reckless driving displayed by the lorry driver is beyond me.
How do you know that lane 1 wasn’t full of tailgating zb’s many probably with the same attitude of the maker of the video which actually proved that he was deliberately shutting down the gap to obstruct the merging truck.
The truck wasn’t merging he was trying to bully his way through.
There was never room for the truck to pull in behind the red van and the video car increasing in speed would have left more room behind for the truck to merge properly.
Obviously none of us know what was going on behind the camera vehicle but given the speed at which the truck went past the other vehicles it was clear to me that the lorry driver had no intention of matching the speed of the vehicles on the main carriageway.
Christ he didn’t even slow down when he went past the stationary vehicles even though there was a pedestrian on the hard shoulder
Carryfast:
The fact is give way at entry slip roads is one thing but traffic being obstructed from being able to merge by bloody minded tailgating zb’s in lane 1 like the maker of the video is another.
Without knowing what was behind the camera vehicle suggesting that the truck was deliberately obstructed is pure speculation.
Carryfast:
No surprise that the zb has chosen to take it down though considering that it says more about what he did than what the truck driver in question did having run out of options except stop and enter the motorway from a standstill having run out of slip road.However if you’re saying that’s really what you want to see on an obviously ever increasing basis then as they say be careful what you wish for.
Again saying that the truck would have needed to stop is pure speculation that cannot possibly be substantiated without knowing what the situation was behind the camera car.
Firstly the reason why there wasn’t enough room for the truck to merge behind the red van was because the zb who made the video was already tailgating on the approach to the entry slip road with the obvious intention of obstructing/blocking merging traffic in this case the truck.Which he then went on to make worse by closing the gap even more while actually stating on the camera audio that blocking the truck was his actual intention from the start.That’s a bit more than just ‘speculation’.
So we’ve got a truck driver who however bad seems to have survived without incident up to that point which suggests that the driver in question has probably got enough sense to know that there’s no point in trying to make life difficult if there’s a better alternative available.In this case you’re saying that there was loads of room behind the nutter who made the video but the truck driver preferred to take the option of trying to put the wagon into a closed/closing gap and then obviously decided to run along the hard shoulder instead for no reason when there was a perfectly acceptable gap to merge into behind the idiot who made the video.
The way I saw the hard shoulder incident was simply that the truck driver took the wrong choice,between ( A ) slowing to a crawl/stopping on the entry slip road with the obvious implications of that in regard to safe merging with traffic in lane 1 afterwards.As opposed to ( B ) trying to use the hard shoulder to maintain a safe merging speed.However the important bit is the circumstances which took place in lane 1 before that point and incident took place.
pretty safe bet judging by the amount of traffic in front of the camera vehicle to say that the road behind was just as congested.
at the beginning of the video you can see the camera vehicle finish closing up the gap. if he did that to make room behind him for the merging truck to slip into then all well and good. but if as I suspect he closed the gap to ■■■■ up the merging truck then that’s not really on, is it? the merging truck could see the gap disappearing and would only have had two decent options, one, to force his way in amongst the traffic behind the camera vehicle or two, try to blast through and hope the camera vehicle sees sense and moves over or lets him in. at the end of the day it was probably a battle of wills from the moment he got on the sliproad. its a game I see played every single day and you could just imagine the consequenses of that single incident. I dread joining a fast busy motorway because you never know what kind of ■■■■ is in lane one
mataos32:
pretty safe bet judging by the amount of traffic in front of the camera vehicle to say that the road behind was just as congested.
at the beginning of the video you can see the camera vehicle finish closing up the gap. if he did that to make room behind him for the merging truck to slip into then all well and good. but if as I suspect he closed the gap to [zb] up the merging truck then that’s not really on, is it?
The statement along the lines that he wasn’t going to let the truck merge ahead,before it had reached the end of the slip road,in no uncertain terms on the camera audio,was a reasonable clue.Which,in addition to an obvious tailgating issue on the approach to the slip road,probably explains why he deleted the video.
Who’s video is it? They must be aware of this thread? Im sorry regardless of what the car done that truck driver is off his head by all means use 20-30metres of the hard shoulder to keep your wheels moving and slowly merge in when safe, but he was steaming ahead like a train.
merc0447:
Who’s video is it? They must be aware of this thread? Im sorry regardless of what the car done that truck driver is off his head by all means use 20-30metres of the hard shoulder to keep your wheels moving and slowly merge in when safe, but he was steaming ahead like a train.
‘Steaming ahead’ at a maximum of 90 kmh probably a bit less. Which is around what’s needed to merge safely into the traffic in lane 1 in most cases anyway.
When it comes to creating a safe merging speed differential slowing up to a crawl on the hard shoulder is as bad as stopping at the end of the slip road.The problem in this case,as in others,was all about the tailgating zb in lane 1 with the stated aim of blocking the truck from merging.
I have to agree with CF, we do need to adopt zip merging, the larger percentage of left hand drive trucks on our roads and the ever more congested roads have changed circumstances. If i had been that truck driver and the shoulder had been clear, i would have carried on on the shoulder until i could have moved out, i have joined motorways and dc’s in heavy traffic in a left ■■■■■■, and it’s not fun!
Why is everyone arguing about this? You all know what the relevant “Traffic Acts”, “Regulations” Highway code, and Road Marking’s tell you, and hopefully, your own common sense says about joining a motorway via a slip-road. You can’t just go belting up the shoulder hoping some ■■■■ frightened road user will let you in 'cos you won’t adhere to what you have been directed to do. Get the ■■■■ off the limiter and drive like sensible human beings. You may be in a hurry because of your planner, but that doesn’t give wagon drivers the right to treat other road users as they do. If you think it does then you should not have a vocational license, and hopefully one day you will be banned from driving ever again.
Anyway, has anyone dared to mention that this bone-headed wagon driver nearly killed people in his idiotic rush to get to the front - or doesn’t that fact matter to you all?
merc0447:
Who’s video is it? They must be aware of this thread? Im sorry regardless of what the car done that truck driver is off his head by all means use 20-30metres of the hard shoulder to keep your wheels moving and slowly merge in when safe, but he was steaming ahead like a train.
Well I hope they are here, Because I have good news for them. Deleting a video from sites like where the video was posted and Youtube etc does not remove it from the site, Its still there stored in the sites achieves.
So if its been removed for fear of prosecution they still might get that knock on the door.
merc0447:
Who’s video is it? They must be aware of this thread? Im sorry regardless of what the car done that truck driver is off his head by all means use 20-30metres of the hard shoulder to keep your wheels moving and slowly merge in when safe, but he was steaming ahead like a train.
Well I hope they are here, Because I have good news for them. Deleting a video from sites like where the video was posted and Youtube etc does not remove it from the site, Its still there stored in the sites achieves.
So if its been removed for fear of prosecution they still might get that knock on the door.
Ps same goes for threads and posts on forums
Aye and those archives come under the protection of the Data Controller of the relevant websites who has to be registered with the ICO and all the protections it affords under the relevant Data Privacy Acts. Some ■■■■ on if you want them disclosed. Just saying like.
merc0447:
Who’s video is it? They must be aware of this thread? Im sorry regardless of what the car done that truck driver is off his head by all means use 20-30metres of the hard shoulder to keep your wheels moving and slowly merge in when safe, but he was steaming ahead like a train.
Well I hope they are here, Because I have good news for them. Deleting a video from sites like where the video was posted and Youtube etc does not remove it from the site, Its still there stored in the sites achieves.
So if its been removed for fear of prosecution they still might get that knock on the door.
Ps same goes for threads and posts on forums
Not sure if Dropbox is quite the same as all users get a certain amount of space and deleted items are supposedly not saved beyond 30 days with a standard account. I’d be interested to know if they do keep files longer than this - one of the reasons I would never use Cloud storage for anything personal.
Solly:
Why is everyone arguing about this? You all know what the relevant “Traffic Acts”, “Regulations” Highway code, and Road Marking’s tell you, and hopefully, your own common sense says about joining a motorway via a slip-road. You can’t just go belting up the shoulder hoping some [zb] frightened road user will let you in 'cos you won’t adhere to what you have been directed to do. Get the [zb] off the limiter and drive like sensible human beings. You may be in a hurry because of your planner, but that doesn’t give wagon drivers the right to treat other road users as they do. If you think it does then you should not have a vocational license, and hopefully one day you will be banned from driving ever again.
Anyway, has anyone dared to mention that this bone-headed wagon driver nearly killed people in his idiotic rush to get to the front - or doesn’t that fact matter to you all?
Rant over. Crack-on.
The way I saw the video it ‘actually’ showed a truck being accelerated up to a reasonable merging speed,somewhere around 90 kmh would be fine,and then being blocked from merging by a tailgating ■■■■■■ in lane 1 ( probably amongst others ).Added to which was the audio evidence stating that blocking the merging truck was the aim of the tailgating.I don’t see anything in the ‘Traffic Act’ that provides for,or excuses,that scenario and in which case the so called ‘give way’ lines mean zb all because the crime in this case was all to do with the zb who was doing the tailgating and the blocking not driver who was being deliberately blocked from merging safely.
merc0447:
Who’s video is it? They must be aware of this thread? Im sorry regardless of what the car done that truck driver is off his head by all means use 20-30metres of the hard shoulder to keep your wheels moving and slowly merge in when safe, but he was steaming ahead like a train.
Well I hope they are here, Because I have good news for them. Deleting a video from sites like where the video was posted and Youtube etc does not remove it from the site, Its still there stored in the sites achieves.
So if its been removed for fear of prosecution they still might get that knock on the door.
Ps same goes for threads and posts on forums
Aye and those archives come under the protection of the Data Controller of the relevant websites who has to be registered with the ICO and all the protections it affords under the relevant Data Privacy Acts. Some [zb] on if you want them disclosed. Just saying like.
Assuming,as you seem to think ,that the zb who made the video had done nothing wrong,then he’d have nothing to worry about in handing it to the law and there’d have been no reason to delete it.
Never got to see the vid, had downloaded it on my dumbphone, but the dumb phone couldn’t play it, so deleted it…thinking I’d watch it on my pc later…gone now
C/F, this is getting out of all proportion. I’m not saying the video maker was innocent in all this but why are you and others so obsessed with the tailgating aspect of all this. As has been pointed out, if they are tailgating on the main carriageway in front of the maniac wagon driver, it’s a knocking bet they were behind also.
The Road Markings statutes and common sense tell every driver everything they need to do whether they are travelling at 5km or 90km. Who in their right mind would approach the main carriageway at 90kms when there is nowhere to go as that maniac did? When there is nowhere to go on the main carriageway you slow down and give way. Correct?
What about the near fatalities also shown on the video?
