merc0447:
You need 3 good size lanes and clear space for your tail sweep to turn a 16.5metre artic. Take off your susies aswell You can just about turn on a 2 lane motorway with a hard shoulder with your tail sweep over the grass.
Not sure I’d faff about dropping the susies but would be checking they weren’t snagged on a curtain handles afterwards. Most A roads where there’s a bus stop pull in you can get it round you can even do a little shunt if need be. Of course it’ll look like you’re about to pull the tyres off the rims and probably take 1000kms of life off them but it’s often better than ploughing on into a much was situation. I’d never let the drives come off the road and you can a lot wheel spin trying to get a drive up a kerb so I’d avoid that as well.
Photos like these seem pretty common would be worth including in initial driver training no matter how much you panic lorries and grass verges don’t mix under any circumstances.
merc0447:
You need 3 good size lanes and clear space for your tail sweep to turn a 16.5metre artic. Take off your susies aswell You can just about turn on a 2 lane motorway with a hard shoulder with your tail sweep over the grass.
Whats his alternative though given he is where he is?.
back the last third of the trailer onto the grass and spin it round then keeping the unit on the tarmac.
You seen to have taken my quote out of context. I never asked how should or could he turn around, although you seem to have a description of how to do it. My statement which you quoted was aimed at his options of what to do i.e sit there, reverse or try and turnaround. I’m well aware of how to turn around on a small road, i’ve done it loads of times. If you’d like to tell the forum how he should of turned around then you help yourself, don’t use me as someone to explain to. I’m not asking how to turn around.
I once had to reverse about 400yds along the A8 between Renfrew and Inchinnan because the council ■■■■■ never put signs up to warn you that Paisley Rd (parallel to the Glasgow Airport runway) was closed for roadworks till you were right at it. I couldn’t go under the Swing Bridge cos I had a decker. Spinning it around wasn’t an option as I knew there wasn’t enough room. My only option was to reverse along the road to a lay by in the middle of rush hour. But the pressure of a situation like that might possibly make you try something you would normally see as a definate no no and end up in a situation like the Stobart driver in the pic.
merc0447:
You need 3 good size lanes and clear space for your tail sweep to turn a 16.5metre artic. Take off your susies aswell You can just about turn on a 2 lane motorway with a hard shoulder with your tail sweep over the grass.
Whats his alternative though given he is where he is?.
back the last third of the trailer onto the grass and spin it round then keeping the unit on the tarmac.
You seen to have taken my quote out of context. I never asked how should or could he turn around, although you seem to have a description of how to do it. My statement which you quoted was aimed at his options of what to do i.e sit there, reverse or try and turnaround. I’m well aware of how to turn around on a small road, i’ve done it loads of times. If you’d like to tell the forum how he should of turned around then you help yourself, don’t use me as someone to explain to. I’m not asking how to turn around.
You seem to have taken my post out of context, i wasn’t explaining to you how to do anything. I was simply stating one of the options as to what he could have done differently as a reply to what you have stated which i have highlighted in red.
FarnboroughBoy11:
You seem to have taken my post out of context, i wasn’t explaining to you how to do anything. I was simply stating one of the options as to what he could have done differently as a reply to what you have stated which i have highlighted in red.
OK mate, you go ahead. Explain what he could of done differently, i got it all wrong.
FarnboroughBoy11:
You seem to have taken my post out of context, i wasn’t explaining to you how to do anything. I was simply stating one of the options as to what he could have done differently as a reply to what you have stated which i have highlighted in red.
OK mate, you go ahead. Explain what he could of done differently, i got it all wrong.
I was just saying, if he was so adamant that he wanted to spin it around he could have sacrificed the trailer by putting it on the grass instead of the unit thats all.
merc0447:
You need 3 good size lanes and clear space for your tail sweep to turn a 16.5metre artic. Take off your susies aswell You can just about turn on a 2 lane motorway with a hard shoulder with your tail sweep over the grass.
You don’t get that much space at some supermaret deliveries but they seem to manage it.
I feel sorry for the driver in the pic, no one knows how he ended up there. The fact is he did, sure its dumb to try to turn around across solid whites/on such a narrow road/on a bend . Whats his alternative though given he is where he is? Reverse back or stop thus making everyone else cross the solid white lines ? He’s in a no win situation.
I was recently sent to Polytech Holdings in Bromyard, i’m sure there’ll be someone here who knows it. I was given directions. As you come into Bromyard you come to a shop/garage turn right then chippy on left turn there and it leads you into it What could go wrong? I stopped at the shop/garage and went in and asked the woman. She told me a different way, and no way looked good for me. I by passed her garage only to find another seperate shop and garage a bit further up, that didn’t look good either. I carried on, big mistake. I’m now miles past Bromyard, i did manage a u turn on the A44 with the aid of a bus stop, of course i could of carried on all afternoon and went to Leominster to turn around, i didn’t fancy that as i’m on job and knock.
I got back to Bromyard and after a faff about i found it. Its easy now i know where it is. I did get stuck in the centre of Bromyard where the shops are but thats a story in itself. Point is even with the best intentions and directions you can come unstuck.
Well said Mike, there could be many reasons how the driver ended up there. I’m sure all of us at one stage in our driving careers we have made an honest mistake, been given wrong directions, taken a wrong turn ect… Don’t make him a bad driver and have his pic posted all over the net for amusement.
I’m genuinely interested to know what these “many reasons” are for how the driver wound up there. Please list them as I can only think of one.
Rob K:
I’m genuinely interested to know what these “many reasons” are for how the driver wound up there. Please list them as I can only think of one.
Come on…
someone told him the way to go (then he seen the height sign)
he got diverted (then he seen the height sign)
he had no advance warning (then he seen the height sign)
everyone here says if you hit a bridge you’re a ■■■■, this guy recognises the fact and he’s still a ■■■■?
I don’t think so, or maybe everyone shouldn’t budge and inch out the yard without a trucker atlas?
I thought you where more astute than to ponder about something like this. You never ended up in a mishap?
Rob K:
I’m genuinely interested to know what these “many reasons” are for how the driver wound up there. Please list them as I can only think of one.
Come on…
someone told him the way to go (then he seen the height sign)
he got diverted (then he seen the height sign)
he had no advance warning (then he seen the height sign)
everyone here says if you hit a bridge you’re a ■■■■, this guy recognises the fact and he’s still a ■■■■?
I don’t think so, or maybe everyone shouldn’t budge and inch out the yard without a trucker atlas?
I thought you where more astute than to ponder about something like this. You never ended up in a mishap?
Every scania I’ve ever drove has had a reverse gear
Rob K:
I’m genuinely interested to know what these “many reasons” are for how the driver wound up there. Please list them as I can only think of one.
Come on…
someone told him the way to go (then he seen the height sign)
he got diverted (then he seen the height sign)
he had no advance warning (then he seen the height sign)
everyone here says if you hit a bridge you’re a ■■■■, this guy recognises the fact and he’s still a ■■■■?
I don’t think so, or maybe everyone shouldn’t budge and inch out the yard without a trucker atlas?
I thought you where more astute than to ponder about something like this. You never ended up in a mishap?
None of that was ever in dispute, at least not by me anyway. I want to know what the “many reasons” could be for how he got his truck stuck in a ditch/soft ground and his trailer 90 degrees across a road with a double white line. As I said above, I can only see one reason for that so what are these “many [other] reasons” ?
Mike-C:
everyone here says if you hit a bridge you’re a ■■■■, this guy recognises the fact, gets himself in a different yet equally avoidable (albeit less expensive) predicament and he’s still a ■■■■?
FarnboroughBoy11:
You seem to have taken my post out of context, i wasn’t explaining to you how to do anything. I was simply stating one of the options as to what he could have done differently as a reply to what you have stated which i have highlighted in red.
OK mate, you go ahead. Explain what he could of done differently, i got it all wrong.
I was just saying, if he was so adamant that he wanted to spin it around he could have sacrificed the trailer by putting it on the grass instead of the unit thats all.
If the grounds slightly soft there’s still a good chance the trailer will sink down to the axles and if there’s a kerb you might not get the wheels back over even pulling straight ahead.
This was either an inexperienced driver with a reversing phobia or a slightly more experienced one that panicked. Best thing would have been to sit there with the hazards on and phone plod if the road was too busy or fast to reverse back along.
FarnboroughBoy11:
You seem to have taken my post out of context, i wasn’t explaining to you how to do anything. I was simply stating one of the options as to what he could have done differently as a reply to what you have stated which i have highlighted in red.
OK mate, you go ahead. Explain what he could of done differently, i got it all wrong.
I was just saying, if he was so adamant that he wanted to spin it around he could have sacrificed the trailer by putting it on the grass instead of the unit thats all.
If the grounds slightly soft there’s still a good chance the trailer will sink down to the axles and if there’s a kerb you might not get the wheels back over even pulling straight ahead.
This was either an inexperienced driver with a reversing phobia or a slightly more experienced one that panicked. Best thing would have been to sit there with the hazards on and phone plod if the road was too busy or fast to reverse back along.
Looking at the picture i dont think that would have happened on this occasion, putting the trailer wheels on the grass for 10 seconds then spinning it round with enough momentum i personally think he would have got out of it. Not disputing the grass and everything will be completely ■■■■■■ around him but i dont think he would have got stuck like he has done. Its a chipliner anyway isnt it? so probably not that heavy.
He’s a Stobbart driver, he is obviously trying to make a ‘U’ turn but hasn’t got it figured out because he is a Stobbart driver. Not to say all Stobbart drivers are bad, but a vast persentage are as dumb as a box of rocks, they are the UK equivelent fo Swift, Hunt or Werner drivers over here.
A driver shouldn’t venture out the yard without a truckers atlas mike, doing so is a risk that could and should be avoided unless you know your route by heart and even then you may need to divert. That’s a good tip though about off roading the trailer rather than the unit.
Drivers get caught out by grass, only ever once though. Mine was the services was rammed and I do mean rammed because of a crash, I was knackered and needed a break so put it on the verge and payed mega £ to get towed a couple of feet. Doh moment!
FarnboroughBoy11:
You seem to have taken my post out of context, i wasn’t explaining to you how to do anything. I was simply stating one of the options as to what he could have done differently as a reply to what you have stated which i have highlighted in red.
OK mate, you go ahead. Explain what he could of done differently, i got it all wrong.
I was just saying, if he was so adamant that he wanted to spin it around he could have sacrificed the trailer by putting it on the grass instead of the unit thats all.
If the grounds slightly soft there’s still a good chance the trailer will sink down to the axles and if there’s a kerb you might not get the wheels back over even pulling straight ahead.
This was either an inexperienced driver with a reversing phobia or a slightly more experienced one that panicked. Best thing would have been to sit there with the hazards on and phone plod if the road was too busy or fast to reverse back along.
Looking at the picture i dont think that would have happened on this occasion, putting the trailer wheels on the grass for 10 seconds then spinning it round with enough momentum i personally think he would have got out of it. Not disputing the grass and everything will be completely [zb] around him but i dont think he would have got stuck like he has done. Its a chipliner anyway isnt it? so probably not that heavy.
Something makes me recall from a previous thread you’re a bit over-confident on spinning it round where Stobart drivers have come unstuck.
I really don’t think a successful spinning round was on the cards there whatever position he started out at.
FarnboroughBoy11:
You seem to have taken my post out of context, i wasn’t explaining to you how to do anything. I was simply stating one of the options as to what he could have done differently as a reply to what you have stated which i have highlighted in red.
OK mate, you go ahead. Explain what he could of done differently, i got it all wrong.
I was just saying, if he was so adamant that he wanted to spin it around he could have sacrificed the trailer by putting it on the grass instead of the unit thats all.
If the grounds slightly soft there’s still a good chance the trailer will sink down to the axles and if there’s a kerb you might not get the wheels back over even pulling straight ahead.
This was either an inexperienced driver with a reversing phobia or a slightly more experienced one that panicked. Best thing would have been to sit there with the hazards on and phone plod if the road was too busy or fast to reverse back along.
Looking at the picture i dont think that would have happened on this occasion, putting the trailer wheels on the grass for 10 seconds then spinning it round with enough momentum i personally think he would have got out of it. Not disputing the grass and everything will be completely [zb] around him but i dont think he would have got stuck like he has done. Its a chipliner anyway isnt it? so probably not that heavy.
why would a chipliner not be heavy? Trailer and unit weight is in the 17 ton region. Loaded with something like coke then it would easily be 44 ton.
Bulk loads can vary, recycled material can be light, but woodchips, sawdust, peat or bark will usually be 44 ton.
Mike-C:
You don’t get that much space at some supermaret deliveries but they seem to manage it.
Morrisons Stratford. Usually not a problem, apart from October/November when they put a container for fireworks by the wall at the top. You have to watch for the trailer going backwards and pushing the container through the wall. Yes, I pull the electrical lines.
You can just about turn on a 2 lane motorway with a hard shoulder with your tail sweep over the grass.
