Side note… the 7.5 tonner had to learn his lesson one day… maybe he will think twice next time :'-) last post I promise. Toodles.
So there goes ol’ Winseer down the road in his truck, barging this way and that, pushing the traffic about but it’s OK 'cos he’s got his indicators on. 
Always enjoyed reading his posts but in this thread there appears to be a very slight trace of bellend appearing, sad really. 
Socketset:
So there goes ol’ Winseer down the road in his truck, barging this way and that, pushing the traffic about but it’s OK 'cos he’s got his indicators on.Always enjoyed reading his posts but in this thread there appears to be a very slight trace of bellend appearing, sad really.
I’m just holding my ground. There’s no barging to be had here. All I am advocating here is “refusing to swerve” or “refusing to hard brake” to let people carve me up when I can do so with everyone’s safety in mind.
The main thread wasn’t about my indicators - it was about me not swerving up a slip road to let some helmet elephant racing me in lane two swing across the two lanes to get off at the same slip road. As for my own use of indicators, I’ll not be making any moves that force anyone else to slow down - If I’m not going to hit the brakes for them, then it’s hardly fair of me to make moves that force them onto their brakes… “Forcing someone else to brake hard” is a “driving test failure” after all. The exception is when driving in rush hour traffic (which I painstakingly try to avoid!) when if you wait for a “safe gap to appear” - you’ll be there all bloody day! On such rare occasions, I’d have to go with a “relatively decent gap” and if upcoming vehicle has to slow from 50 to 40 to accommodate me - then so be it. 
There’s nothing I can do to prevent such a carve-up move by any motorist though - assuming they are passing me at a decent speed enough to do it with a reasonable gap.
Like I said, we drivers must “Tut” away a lot when some car swings across two or three lanes to leave at the exit you’ve already driving past the broken lines of.
As to any appearances of my own bellend - I’ve already correctly been diagnosed as of having had a skinful on my frequent nights off of late. I don’t drink except when I’m not driving that day you see…
I would never intentionally hit anyone at high speed. I might refuse to run off the road at any speed, prefering instead to hold my ground, and nudge another vehicle if necessary.
I argue that my professional judgement in adopting this policy since years past - must ‘work’, or else I would have come a cropper by now. 
Is it too simple to say that if I’d been driving the camera truck, there wouldn’t have been a collision. Name calling, probably, but even though I’ve got a little ■■■■, I don’t try and enlarge it by causing chaos with whatever I’m driving.
Winseer mate…
I make no secret of the fact that I find many of your posts irritating to say the least.
Now I know that I aint everybody’s cup of Ty phoo on here either, as I tend to storm in and say what I think, calling a spade a shovel and all that, but there you go, I accept it and don’t give a ■■■■ anyway tbh.
So can I just say, I find your self righteousness and pontificating style on here second to none.
You come across as the type of driver, who in his own mind, is marshalling the traffic around him, and that you are ‘THE’ driver, and by your self confessed driving style of never drawing rein, nor giving an inch to anybody you consider is not toeing the line in your eyes, you sit there safe and secure in your perceived knowledge that everyone else is in the wrong, and your way can not be possibly wrong and the way forward…yeh right 
You have not used your famous ‘killing machine’ reference (a bit Alan Partridge esque btw) since you admitted to habitually hogging lane 2 on smart motorways, and refusing to pull over to lane 1, …because YOU did not agree with the system they had spent millions on, so you would continue in your pompous way of turning back that 4 lane Mway back into a 3.
So I’ve said my piece, so this is the point where you will play your usual ‘victim’ card in your drama queen style…ref the ‘‘Veteran’’ thread.
Btw For benefit of mods, not a personal attack, just my personal opinion after noticing many of his posts.
I was referring to “Veteran” in the “on-line community sense” rather than “how many years I’ve been a trucker”.
I’m sure there are plenty on this board who have been driving more years than I’ve been alive after all. I defer to “Others” as being the veterans in this sense then.
On the subject of “On-Line Community” though, I did have a rant on other threads regarding me being a veteran of the same on-line community. I don’t think I said it here - but I expect a bit of deference from that Zuikenberg bloke who thinks he’s god because he’s got a billion bucks, whilst I’ve been on-line since he was in nappies. I’m ok with being “Ignored” if people think I’m no good, which is fine. I don’t want people going out of their way to bug me though, and in that at least - that includes around here, or even walking down the street if it comes to that.
Driving is like ■■■ or playing Poker. Once past the “love it or hate it” stage, everyone involved thinks they are good at it, and of course few are. We all know this of ourselves as truckers, but we all know of plenty who are crap at driving, and most of them won’t bother seeking it for a job, but hog the road by way of merely being there to get on our ■■■■… Same applies to being a professional gambler (which I dearly wanted to do at various points throughout my life) or being a Scientist (which is what I expected of myself when at school & college) There’s even a school of thought that suggests that “No shag” is better than a “bad shag” when it comes to getting laid. Again, many think they are good at it, few are - but there are a lot of people of both genders who “get involved anyway” when they really shouldn’t, because they are just getting in the way, and spoiling it for others with a better ability or stronger desire to partake, albeit not necessarily on a professional level there… Some indeed take pride in that “I’m so good I don’t need to pay for it” or “What do you take me for” when payment is offered… if it’s the fairer ■■■.
I merely try to make philosophical arguments of course. If that’s “Pontificating” then so be it.
I’m not sure if I’m able to limbo Carryfast’s posts in terms of “getting on people’s ■■■■” - and I’m not trying to. I’m just out to talk about things from a different angle all the time, playing Devil’s Advocate often to get a discussion going. In this case, the OP was about our political or legal opinions “on this crash” - which we can all make in turn.
Let’s get back on-topic then, and I’ll round up by criticizing the camera truck for “letting the bugger come up alongside in the first place”. Prevention is better than cure.
Swearing away in the cab and blowing the horn - is always going to be “too little, too late” once Ronnie Soul has got his nose across the front of the truck, forcing trucker to yield, or impact. He chose the latter.
I say he “played it wrong” rather than “What he did was wrong” then. Don’t rebuke me for having that line on it - Come up with what YOU would have done: That’s the whole point of throwing a ball about on these forums after all!
Winseer:
I was referring to “Veteran” in the “on-line community sense” rather than “how many years I’ve been a trucker”.I’m sure there are plenty on this board who have been driving more years than I’ve been alive after all. I defer to “Others” as being the veterans in this sense then.
On the subject of “On-Line Community” though, I did have a rant on other threads regarding me being a veteran of the same on-line community. I don’t think I said it here - but I expect a bit of deference from that Zuikenberg bloke who thinks he’s god because he’s got a billion bucks, whilst I’ve been on-line since he was in nappies. I’m ok with being “Ignored” if people think I’m no good, which is fine. I don’t want people going out of their way to bug me though, and in that at least - that includes around here, or even walking down the street if it comes to that.
Driving is like ■■■ or playing Poker. Once past the “love it or hate it” stage, everyone involved thinks they are good at it, and of course few are. We all know this of ourselves as truckers, but we all know of plenty who are crap at driving, and most of them won’t bother seeking it for a job, but hog the road by way of merely being there to get on our ■■■■… Same applies to being a professional gambler (which I dearly wanted to do at various points throughout my life) or being a Scientist (which is what I expected of myself when at school & college) There’s even a school of thought that suggests that “No shag” is better than a “bad shag” when it comes to getting laid. Again, many think they are good at it, few are - but there are a lot of people of both genders who “get involved anyway” when they really shouldn’t, because they are just getting in the way, and spoiling it for others with a better ability or stronger desire to partake, albeit not necessarily on a professional level there… Some indeed take pride in that “I’m so good I don’t need to pay for it” or “What do you take me for” when payment is offered… if it’s the fairer ■■■.
I merely try to make philosophical arguments of course. If that’s “Pontificating” then so be it.
I’m not sure if I’m able to limbo Carryfast’s posts in terms of “getting on people’s ■■■■” - and I’m not trying to. I’m just out to talk about things from a different angle all the time, playing Devil’s Advocate often to get a discussion going. In this case, the OP was about our political or legal opinions “on this crash” - which we can all make in turn.
Let’s get back on-topic then, and I’ll round up by criticizing the camera truck for “letting the bugger come up alongside in the first place”. Prevention is better than cure.
Swearing away in the cab and blowing the horn - is always going to be “too little, too late” once Ronnie Soul has got his nose across the front of the truck, forcing trucker to yield, or impact. He chose the latter.I say he “played it wrong” rather than “What he did was wrong” then. Don’t rebuke me for having that line on it - Come up with what YOU would have done: That’s the whole point of throwing a ball about on these forums after all!
Ok mate, fair play to you.
I don’t know what you’ve been smoking bud, but that’s the first time I’ve heard ■■■ being used as an analogy to truck driving I (perhaps conceitedly, but that’s me ) admit to being bloody good at both 
(although better at one than the other, and I aint saying which. 
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I already have said how I would have dealt with the o/p scenario if you look back.btw
Anyway, we are making progress here mate, that is maybe the first post of yours that has not irritated me or had me rolling my eyes, in fact it was entertaining, not to the standards of the likes of Dipperdave and co, but keep trying.
Thing is Rob, and I’ll whisper this quietly, Winseers ex RM you know, and we ALL know what they’re like .
Socketset:
Thing is Rob, and I’ll whisper this quietly, Winseers ex RM you know, and we ALL know what they’re like
What? Royal Mail ?
Nah, not scared of Postmen in the least mate.
Has anyone thought the driver may not have seen the puddle jumper coz of peekaboo curtains and tassles
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mdourish:
Has anyone thought the driver may not have seen the puddle jumper coz of peekaboo curtains and tassles
Maybe if they were pulled right around his windscreen with his guide dog sat on the dash…yeh maybe.
IMO I think it’s 25-75 split 25% the 7.5 and 75% the truck. When all said and done being a class 1 driver should make us one of the best drivers on the public roads bump no. 1 I might through gritted teeth say it was all the 7.5 but 2/3/4 were undoubtably all the artics fault at that point his skill level and professionalism should of kicked in and backed right off following the 7.5 to the nearest safe place for a quick swap of details and maybe even a quick vent. At no point in my view is it acceptable to spin another truck under any circumstances that could of been so so much worse I hope the he has been stripped of his class 1!
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I love the fact you lads saying camera truck shouldn’t brake hard incase an innocent family in a car behind runs into you yet clearly think ramming a 7.5 tonner and making it spin all over the motorway is perfectly fine. Do innocent families not follow 7.5 tonners?
Winseer and other saying similar things - have you ever had a serious accident? Because believe me I have and they happen so quickly you act on instinct and have no time at all to weigh up the various options to make a rational decision.
To put my two penneth in - 7.5 tonner made a stupid mistake, maybe he rarely drives bigger vehicles and he wasn’t thinking but still be carries a good chunk of the blame but in my opinion that accident could have been avoided entirely had the camera truck driver put his ego away and braked. He wouldn’t have even needed to brake hard.
Yes Luke, spot on the money,
Have Winseer & Rob finished, or shall I get the fold up chairs and popcorn?
Toddy2:
Have Winseer & Rob finished, or shall I get the fold up chairs and popcorn?
Done and dusted mate.
Well, until he annoys me the next time that is .
The Postman thing did get me worried after all.
switchlogic:
I love the fact you lads saying camera truck shouldn’t brake hard incase an innocent family in a car behind runs into you yet clearly think ramming a 7.5 tonner and making it spin all over the motorway is perfectly fine. Do innocent families not follow 7.5 tonners?that accident could have been avoided entirely had the camera truck driver put his ego away and braked. He wouldn’t have even needed to brake hard.
He didn’t even need to brake.When dropping a gear or two and backing off the throttle at 0.04-0.07 would have been enough to not only maintain the required seperation distance to the truck ahead in lane 1,but also allow for merging traffic predictably moving from lane 2 to lane 1 like the 7.5 tonner.
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
I love the fact you lads saying camera truck shouldn’t brake hard incase an innocent family in a car behind runs into you yet clearly think ramming a 7.5 tonner and making it spin all over the motorway is perfectly fine. Do innocent families not follow 7.5 tonners?that accident could have been avoided entirely had the camera truck driver put his ego away and braked. He wouldn’t have even needed to brake hard.He didn’t even need to brake.When dropping a gear or two and backing off the throttle at 0.04-0.07 would have been enough to not only maintain the required seperation distance to the truck ahead in lane 1,but also allow for merging traffic predictably moving from lane 2 to lane 1 like the 7.5 tonner.
This is one of those rare threads where you and me agree Carry old bean. I might print it out and frame it
A very small amount of action from the camera driver would have stopped it all. We will never know but I’d love to know what the respective insurance companies made of the video. If it were me id be looking to see if the camera driver had had any previous incidents
switchlogic:
I’d love to know what the respective insurance companies made of the video. If it were me id be looking to see if the camera driver had had any previous incidents
I’d go a bit further in thinking that it arguably contains evidence of dangerous driving and driving without consideration for other road users between 0.04-0.17. 
Winseer:
Sometimes a collision needs to happen - just to remind the public of “who’s the boss on the road”. At such low speeds there is never a danger to either driver.
Read it as “Road Politics” if you will.
I see where you are coming from to an extent & frankly, had the car been the typical Audi/BMW knob doing a blatant queue jump I would be laughing.
As it is, i’d have probably given the old fella the benefit of the doubt as he had probably been patiently looking for a gap for the last mile & in a bit of a fluster just decided to force the issue at the end. We’ve all found ourselves in the wrong lane & in need of someone to kindly let us in.
Ok, I’ve revived this thread as the same (or at least similar) scenario happened to me tonight.
M6 n/b where the inside lane becomes the lane for M62 Leeds, I’m bombing down in lane 2 (or lane 1 for M6) when this 4 wheeler rigid gets alongside me about halfway, and he suddenly realises he needs to be in the lane for the M62, so he signals to pull in on me half way past
I thought ‘‘Yeh, and ■■■■ you mate’’ so put my foot down hard, managed to squeeze another k, and blasted my horns at him.
The bast kept pulling in, I saw a family in a car behind me, so didn’t dare back off a couple of clicks in case I slaughtered them with the arse end of my killing machine, so I shunted the ■■■■ into the central reservation and went on my way, giving him a coffe shake as I passed him on the nearside, I looked in the mirror he managed to correct it, so no harm done.
Well sort of, it DID happen, but not exactly like that.
I backed off a bit, flashed him in, and he pulled across safely.
For good measure the guy stuck his hand out of window with a wave, followed by a thumbs up.
I took it as a ‘‘thanks mate, and a sorry I know I did wrong’’ kind of gesture, I waved back and we both went on our merry ways.
How ■■■■ good am I eh?