Winseer:
who you decide you’re gonna make go to the next junction - because you can.
Priceless attitude that caused/ causes a lot of unneccessary hassle. 
If I had been driving the camera truck I’d have eased off, not because I cared either way whether the 7.5 driver lived or died, but rather the fact that although I drive a fleet spec motor I do care about its appearance and I know that our lot would fix it with cable ties and odd coloured plastics. That alone would be enough to ensure that I yielded. 
Steering wheel attendants were probably both working in McDonald’s last week. Obviously neither of these pricks or for that matter anyone who thinks camera guy is not equally to blame don’t own there own trucks.
Could I slip in here that for all my high horsemanship (in very tight jodhpurs) I’ve done worse …
Anyone saying the camera truck is blameless (see what I did there?!) should take a long hard look at themselves and whether they are competent to hold a license still, because as far as I am concerned; you are dead wrong.
You guys either you’re so green you don’t know your ■■■ from your elbow, or you’re so jaded and long in the tooth you can’t remember what your elbow looks like anymore. Seriously I don’t need to be spending time on the road with attitudes like that!
7.5t driver displays a lack of:
Planning
Judgement
Skill
Awareness
Roadcraft
Everything in the above list can be fixed with training and patience and time.
Camera truck displays a lack of:
Manners
Compassion
Human decency
Everything in this list are inherent character traits and much harder to fix
the maoster:
If I had been driving the camera truck I’d have eased off, not because I cared either way whether the 7.5 driver lived or died, but rather the fact that although I drive a fleet spec motor I do care about its appearance and I know that our lot would fix it with cable ties and odd coloured plastics. That alone would be enough to ensure that I yielded.
The point in this case being that firstly he needed to back off to maintain seperation distance to the truck ahead in lane 1 anyway.Added to which,as in any other case,increasing that distance even more to allow for inevitable merging traffic moving across for the exit slip road at junction 2 such as the 7.5 tonner.The same applies in the case of entry slip roads.
Instead of which he chose to do exactly the opposite in closing the gap to block such traffic taking out his own seperation distance in the process.With the 7.5 tonner driver predictably making the wrong choice instead of taking the M25 anti clockwise exit lane and turning around at the next exit.While Karma at that point would then have been the truck ahead in lane 1 making an emergency stop at 0.17 at the point where dash cam hero thinks that he’s ‘won’ another blocking attempt,with 7.5 tonne driver as witness regarding the resulting collision. 
Dipper_Dave:
Could I slip in here that for all my high horsemanship (in very tight jodhpurs) I’ve done worse …
But I bet it wasn’t in your own lorry
F-reds:
Camera truck displays a lack of:
Manners
Compassion
Human decencyEverything in this list are inherent character traits and much harder to fix
Also lack of basic driving skills in the form of maintaining correct seperation distance to the vehicle ahead.Also either lack of anticipation regarding merging traffic situations such as the approach to motorway exits and entry slip roads.If not just deliberately dangerously tail gating other traffic to block such merging traffic.I’d say it was the last example in this case.
Fincham:
truckman020:
Fincham:
truckman020:
the camera trucks in his lane, mr puddle jumper comes along in his truck,indicates, misjudges, and hits camera truck[twice]how is the camera truck to blame in any way at all,you can see who’s in the wrong quite clearlyHe could have eased up and made room for errant driver, instead he maintained his speed and exacerbated the situation. If you think he is blameless then perhaps you should consider whether you should be driving.
the same could be said for you fella if you think camera truck is wrong,he was still in his lane it’s irrelevant that he should have eased off,he should not have had to,7.5 t driver should have judged better,result if he did, no accident,simple as that,so how many years you got under your belt then,for the record I have 35 yrs starting on vans at 18,i’m guessing you haven’t
I’m not going to waste too much time with you but to compare notes, I passed my car test in 1968, I started hgv 3 in 1972 driving furniture pantechnicons and class 1 in 1979. I also obtained my class D in 2003.
None of this proves anything as the major factor is that I accept that WE can all make mistakes and in those circumstances look to the goodwill of other drivers to help us out. That I believe is where we differ.
ok ,you have more experience than me,i stand corrected,everybody is entitled to their opinion on this post but a number of us who think camera truck is in the right are slated because we don’t happen to agree with the ones who think he/she is wrong,slated with insults along the way,yes he/she could have eased off,he/she chose not to,could that driver look in his mirrors in literally seconds and decide he/she could not ease off because another driver behind was too close and by braking or easing off could have caused a chain reaction behind,none of us are perfect,nobody knows because they were not there,bear in mind it was literally seconds from the indicator going on to the 7.5 moving in,not enough time to react in my opinion,i won’t bother answering to this post anymore,i think enough has been said about this ops post
Plenty of time to react if he had anticipated what the prat in the white lorry was going to do. That’s what us professionals do all day, anticipate what the div in front is going to do next. As I said before it wouldn’t have happened if one or the other was paying the bills
truckman020:
ok ,you have more experience than me,i stand corrected,everybody is entitled to their opinion on this post but a number of us who think camera truck is in the right are slated because we don’t happen to agree with the ones who think he/she is wrong,slated with insults along the way,yes he/she could have eased off,he/she chose not to,could that driver look in his mirrors in literally seconds and decide he/she could not ease off because another driver behind was too close and by braking or easing off could have caused a chain reaction behind,none of us are perfect,nobody knows because they were not there,bear in mind it was literally seconds from the indicator going on to the 7.5 moving in,not enough time to react in my opinion
Maintaining a safe seperation distance to the vehicle ahead,including allowing for predictably merging traffic on the approach to entry and exit slip roads,isn’t optional.It’s then up to following traffic to maintain their’s. In this case it didn’t need any indication to realise that the 7.5 tonner might need to move over to lane 1 or for that matter the added complication of the slowing truck in lane 1 ahead.
While it’s doubtful that the camera truck driver’s motivation had anything to do with worrying about following traffic anyway.As opposed to winning yet another deliberate blocking attempt even if it meant tail gating and possibly running into the truck ahead in lane 1.
ERF MAN:
As I said before it wouldn’t have happened if one or the other was paying the bills
I make you right.
“Not my truck, not my time, not my fault…” Crash!
robroy:
Winseer:
Sometimes a collision needs to happen - just to remind the public of “who’s the boss on the road”. At such low speeds there is never a danger to either driver.
Read it as “Road Politics” if you will.If truckers all refused to “be political” once in a while - we are all in effect, waiting for death to come to us, whilst we sit their passively hoping that “Being the better driver” will be enough for us to survive such an attack.
If you don’t know what I’m talking about - you’ve clearly not been driving long enough yet.
Winseer.mate, …you often talk ■■■■■■■■ on here, but this time you have excelled even yourself.
Both drivers were being Twonks, but cameraman is the bigger twonk,
Winseer is obviously still bladdered from his Christmas celebrations 
truckman020:
i won’t bother answering to this post anymore,i think enough has been said about this ops post
Classic cop out
Twice I have asked you the question, how you would have dealt with the same situation if you were driving the camera vehicle, and twice you have chosen to ignore me.
So no enough has not been said…Answer the question.
robroy:
Winseer:
It should never be considered “wrong” for someone to refuse to brake hard to avoid hitting an idiot who is playing chicken with you.
.It should always be considered ‘‘wrong’’ for someone to not avoid an accident (or in this case increase the severity) when he has the opportunity, as in the case of the idiot with the dashcam.
Refusing to brake hard does not come into it in this case, backing off his accelerator would have been sufficient.
Exactly right.
Ive said it before, sometimes its better to concede to the idiot than become involved in an (avoidable) accident .
Cant see the point in these ■■■■■■■ out straight contests TBH, to much bloody paper work involved afterwards.
If I had the same attitude as the guy driving the camera truck, I’d never be out the office filling in accident forms.
The actions of these 2 twonks is why I hate driving that section out of rush hour as most don’t have a clue ! and can’t even keep instide white lines
I reckon there’s been something going on before this between him and camera twonk.
Camera twonk should have slowed when it looked contact was likely or certainly immediately after the first contact. Anything else is gross negligence that imperils the lives other innocent road users.
Own Account Driver:
Camera twonk should have slowed when it looked contact was likely or certainly immediately after the first contact. Anything else is gross negligence that imperils the lives other innocent road users.
Haven’t you read the thread? He couldn’t slow down because there may have been a car following him which might have hit him killing everybody, especially the children 
Own Account Driver:
I reckon there’s been something going on before this between him and camera twonk.Camera twonk should have slowed when it looked contact was likely or certainly immediately after the first contact. Anything else is gross negligence that imperils the lives other innocent road users.
I think it’s more likely that 7.5 t driver got fixated on his intended clockwise exit.With the perfect storm of a car ahead in lane 2 stopping him overtaking both of the trucks in lane 1 and then hopefully merging,the truck ahead in lane 1 slowing down and the camera truck intent on blocking any attempt to merge by closing up on the slowing truck ahead.All of which could easily have been avoided by preferably camera truck driver backing off at 0.04.Or 7.5 tonne driver making the call to go anti clockwise and turn around at the next exit when it was clear that our camera truck hero was going to make a fight of it at 0.07.What seems clear is that camera truck hero will try this same/similar stunt again and again possibly with an even unhappier ending unless he’s stopped now on his own evidence.
Yes, I don’t often get chance to have a skinful. Expect more ■■■■■■■■ in the near future.
Seriously though - I’ve never intentionally hit anyone, evident by the fact that I’ve not ever had a collision at my front whilst moving on the actual road.
I’ve been “driven into whilst stationary” a few times, got t-boned by a light jumper once, and scraped by someone trying to squeeze through a gap that wasn’t there, and even had some vehicles drive straight up my arse a few times as well- but these are all classed as unblameworthy collisions. On some of these incidents, I could easily have chosen to run off the road to avoid an impact - but why the bloody hell should I, just to let the twonk off scot-free whilst I’ve got to explain why I’ve had an accident “not involving another vehicle”? This latter point is perhaps the strongest argument for any advanced driver to “stand their ground” effectively letting themselves get hit.
My actual actions in the field though - have only led to “shut outs” and no collisions on the other hand. My worst sin is "staying in lane one when the slip road starts if I’ve got someone trying to overtake me in lane two just as the broken lines are underway. I’ve seen police cars swerve onto the slip road to avoid a collision with the “moving left from lane 2 vehicle” before - but all I’m saying here is that I’m not prepared to swerve or harsh brake a 44t killing machine possibly off the road just because some plonker is going to miss his junction otherwise. Note also that the errant driver will NOT be signalling a lot of the time, because they know damned well that if they signal - you’ll be aware of them not to let them in. Happens a lot around where I live. Call it London Driving Style if you will. They do it to you all the time when you’re trying to pull out of a side road into spaced out but fast moving traffic - Ever seen a car way back suddenly accelerate as your nose comes to the stop line? - They are closing the gap so you don’t even consider pulling out in front of them, possibly making them ease off the pedal a bit…
In the caravan vid, I wouldn’t of allowed the twonk to come up the side of me in the first place - achieved by a “stay in lane one until last moment” shut out. If he wants to come off at that junction, then fall in behind me - or miss it 